Lets find the house that PI was digging and filming

[Leila]

Originally Posted by kew17

New here, I must say you guys rock! Took forever to read thru posts, but have to post a few comments and thoughts I have. This place seems to hold some very important information. I'm shocked LE hasn't swarmed this house, for the mere fact the DC was there, looking for who knows what on who knows who's request/tip. KC has been in/around this house. A simple sweep for prints I would think would confirm this. This house is a prime location for her to use while "waiting" for the clear to go back to the Anthony home after G & C left for work. IF they used the Hopespring to Surburban Dr outlet to leave for work, she would be able to comfortably see them leaving and know when the coast was clear to return. Also, fast forward to after Caylee's remains were left in the woods, from the rear of that home, it would seem that the site was in view from this home, and certainly the traffic going past Hopespring on Suburban would be limited and easy for her to monitor.

She has a connection to this house, knew the name Gonzales. I would be curious to the previous owner's other occupants of that house and their connection to her. (ie: possible classmate etc)

In looking at Marellama's pics (kudos by the way), one photo in particular stood out at me. It would be the one of the charred lattice. It indicated it was close to something burning/on fire. I have no doubt in my mind that even if KC didn't "burn" Caylee, she would have her clothes and most belongings. That house has a 50 gal drum out back, which is commonly used to burn trash.

Thanks for listening to my thoughts and am curious what you think. Thanx!

When I checked the surname and given name of the owner of the house - Gonzalez, I came up with two with the same name, one born in 1978 and one born in 1986. The one in 1986 would be the same age as Casey and could very well have been a classmate.

[SideKick]

Originally Posted by Woe.be.gone

How does this address fit in then? KC told LE that ZG used to live on Dean Street (or ZG mother)?

Hi there.. good question! I don't recall that KC had told LE anything about Dean Street... does anyone have proof?

I found this article dated July 17th from FOX news. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,384963,00.html

In the middle of the page says:


'She went to clubs that the baby sitter frequented and identified her as Zenaida Gonzalez, police said. But when police went to the apartment Anthony said belonged to the alleged baby sitter, they learned it had been vacant for almost five months, the newspaper reported.'

1. Was it in fact an apartment KC was referring to? Or.. the house on Brackenwood? Uhmm..

2. Did LE in fact see a vacant apartment apparently rented by ZG at some point?

I totally agree with you all, this house is CREEPY!! and you all ROCK!

SK.

[MADJGNLAW]

Originally Posted by Black Magic Woman

That really P*ssed me off too after all our hard work on this thread!

I agree. I was shocked that K.B. didn't report that so and so from so and so happen to run into me and guided me to the mysterious house in the D.C. video. I found that to be wrong. It goes to show you, they report what they want and always use sources close to the investigation, and then say "We" discovered. Heck, they didn't discover anything Mar.. did from websleuths and other's in this forum. I was following the location of this house as well since the release of the P.I.'s video and not once did I hear on the news that they were searching for a mystery house.

[Chezhire]

Originally Posted by Leila

SNIPPED:"I've been using a magnifying glass and still haven't been able to determine what that object is. It's blue plastic, and looks like it's divided into three sections...........that's all I can come up with. ..."

I'm thinking maybe one of those plastic "bathtub time" books, they fold out like that sometimes and could be sturdy enough to stand up on their own when opened up at the angles...

[Chezhire]

Originally Posted by Cerenity2u

Above bolded by me.
Don't forget about the pastor who had a long first visit with KC. IIRC it was about 4hrs long. I am trying to find the exact date of that visit. I found it odd that KC refused a visit from this pastor after Caylee's remains were found. I am only theorizing, but suppose KC confided to the paster and no one else, and she is blaming him for leaking info that lead to the finding of Caylee's remains, therefor she is refusing a visit from him out of anger towards him? I just can't figure out any other reason as to why all of a sudden she does not want a visit from this pastor...especially after her daughters remains were found?

maybe she felt too embarrassed b/c she'd fed him a lot of carp, too, and didn't want to have to face someone so closely associated with her maker... (I might be a little too pleased about such a prospect, ergo it seems plausible to me, but ya never know...)

[AZlawyer]

Originally Posted by Leila

When I checked the surname and given name of the owner of the house - Gonzalez, I came up with two with the same name, one born in 1978 and one born in 1986. The one in 1986 would be the same age as Casey and could very well have been a classmate.

http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/

No Gonzalez with same first name in Casey's "graduation" year (2004).

[Texas Mist]

I brought my previous post forward so that I could link to the pics.

Originally Posted by Texas Mist

The coincidences in this case are driving me crazy!

Even the trash bags @ the 'abandoned house' appear to be the same (looks like Glad brand) as the trash bags from the A's house. Black with red drawstring.

Remember the 'protestor' who took the trash bag from the Anthony's house?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/34213877@N07/3196248385/

And the bags from the PI vid:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/34213877@N07/3195520562/


Maybe we should take a poll to see how many WSerz use the same trash bags.

BTW, y'all ROCK!!

ETA: here's another pic @ the abandoned house:

http://s479.photobucket.com/albums/r...use030copy.jpg

[AZlawyer]

Originally Posted by Chezhire

I'm thinking maybe one of those plastic "bathtub time" books, they fold out like that sometimes and could be sturdy enough to stand up on their own when opened up at the angles...

We figured that one out a little while ago...Great Value (Walmart) brand white trash bags.

[kew17]

What a coincidence! Those bags look like they'd been taken from the same box to me. IMHO

[Chezhire]

Originally Posted by aprilshowers

Hmmmmmmm ... when you mentioned a 'generator' ... I was thinking about how she kept stealing 'gas' from the shed. Ya think maybe?

but the neighbors, whom Marellano says are so close in next-door proximity, would hear a generator. they're LOUD (unless you spend a small fortune of no less than say $7K, which Casey didn't have...)

[Chezhire]

Originally Posted by AZlawyer

We figured that one out a little while ago...Great Value (Walmart) brand white trash bags.

I just read pookie53s post - she/he nailed that one for sure!

[Chezhire]

Originally Posted by suspicious1

SNIPPED: "... Was he [T. Lazarro] sure that this bag was from his house because that would make no sense to me as to why his trash from his home would be in her trunk. Why not throw that bag away with the rest of his trash? Why take it with her. Do you know what was found in the trash bag? I'm curious now as to what was actually found in the bag from her trunk. Maybe he uses these generic brand trash bags as well and THOUGHT that was the same bag from his apartment. I just don't know. Could you point me in the right direction to finding out about the trash bag found in the trunk?

I think the general consensus prior to Caylee's remains being found in the wooded area was that Casey might have taken out Tony L.'s apartment's trash bag one evening and, instead of putting his apartment's trash bag in the dumpster at his complex, she swapped it for a bag (potentially containing Caylee's remains) that was in her trunk, thereby leaving the bag of his apartment's trash in her trunk so as not to draw suspicion to why she was putting more than one bag intot he dumpster in case Tony or someone else had noticed while she was oding it. Tony L.'s depo reflects that a receipt from his apartment was found in Casey's vehicle (I can't remember the location re: inside passneger area or in the trunk.) (Not saying that I agree with this analysis or thought process, but that was what some WSers were speculating.)

[LCoastMom]

Originally Posted by shadow of my mind

Sniped for space...and bolded by me.

I have a dear friend who now lives in Florida. She was a neighbor for years when I was young and was the person who you went to when you needed a mother and could not count on your own. Later after her own children had grown she went to work for Family Services as one of those who went into homes that had been reported to the state for possible abuse or neglect. She had 5 of her own and enough nieces and nephews to fill a small town. Children loved her and adults trusted her. I spoke to her a couple of days ago, she is also following this case via TV only and said her son brought his laptop over and she saw some of the videos in full for the first time.
Her comment to me was "That video of Caylee with her grandpa at the nursing home. Something had changed in that child’s life. Her spark is gone. Her eyes have a haunted look to them. The other videos of her did not look like that. Something was very wrong before she died."
I asked her about the nursing home factor because that is what I thought some of that scared look was from. She said no way. Children may be somewhat timid or fearful when they first get there but usually within a few minuets, as long as the adults they are with do not act different, they settle in and take it all in stride. Hospitals, with machines that make noise and people with gloves and masks would be a different story.
She also mentioned to me that it looks like Caylee's hair is thin around the temples; from either her pulling on it herself, which is a sign of stress or it breaking off from it being in pigtails and then being put to sleep with them still in. Usually you would brush out her hair before bed because it is not good for the hair to be wrapped in bands for long periods of time.

I just though I would share what she thought. It matches your comment.

Thank you for sharing that, I can't watch the video of Caylee reading her book or singing with ggpa, as it breaks my heart to think about what she went through in those weeks. Every time I see a positive comment about that video, I wince.

On a personal note, my ex husband called my house, the Kool-Aide House. It was always full of kids. I've lost count of how many kids (now grown ups) call me mom. In California, I was a volunteer councilor for people with child abuse convictions who as a means of getting their kids back had to let us into their homes and have weekly sessions to keep the courts updated on their status.

Most adults don't understand the concept of a true love and affinity for children who aren't their own. I don't understand how anyone with children of their own doesn't feel that same warm spot for all children. I'm glad you had someone in your life that you knew would always be there for you...

[Woe.be.gone]

Originally Posted by SideKick

Hi there.. good question! I don't recall that KC had told LE anything about Dean Street... does anyone have proof?

I found this article dated July 17th from FOX news. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,384963,00.html

In the middle of the page says:


'She went to clubs that the baby sitter frequented and identified her as Zenaida Gonzalez, police said. But when police went to the apartment Anthony said belonged to the alleged baby sitter, they learned it had been vacant for almost five months, the newspaper reported.'

1. Was it in fact an apartment KC was referring to? Or.. the house on Brackenwood? Uhmm..

2. Did LE in fact see a vacant apartment apparently rented by ZG at some point?

I totally agree with you all, this house is CREEPY!! and you all ROCK!

SK.

Going by memory, which I understand is worth nada/zilch, I believe she told LE this on the initial tour of places ZG went/would go. I'll look later and try to find the direct quote.

[LCoastMom]

Originally Posted by Chezhire

I think the general consensus prior to Caylee's remains being found in the wooded area was that Casey might have taken out Tony L.'s apartment's trash bag one evening and, instead of putting his apartment's trash bag in the dumpster at his complex, she swapped it for a bag (potentially containing Caylee's remains) that was in her trunk, thereby leaving the bag of his apartment's trash in her trunk so as not to draw suspicion to why she was putting more than one bag intot he dumpster in case Tony or someone else had noticed while she was oding it. Tony L.'s depo reflects that a receipt from his apartment was found in Casey's vehicle (I can't remember the location re: inside passneger area or in the trunk.) (Not saying that I agree with this analysis or thought process, but that was what some WSers were speculating.)

I believe the receipt was in the trash bag and the the trash bag was in the trunk. Per LE interview.

[Woe.be.gone]

Originally Posted by MADJGNLAW

I agree. I was shocked that K.B. didn't report that so and so from so and so happen to run into me and guided me to the mysterious house in the D.C. video. I found that to be wrong. It goes to show you, they report what they want and always use sources close to the investigation, and then say "We" discovered. Heck, they didn't discover anything Mar.. did from websleuths and other's in this forum. I was following the location of this house as well since the release of the P.I.'s video and not once did I hear on the news that they were searching for a mystery house.

Are we all in this for our own glory or to help get to the truth. As hard as it is, check egos at the door. Award ceremony can take place later. What happened to Caylee?

If you want to, you can throw stones at me now.

[Chezhire]

Originally Posted by missmybaby

That was at the Oviado house and the pictures are in the thread.

Hi there missmybaby I was responding to another poster's comments, raeann's, here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...84#post3166184
which I'd interpreted as her (along with a lot of other posters on this thread) wondering whether or not Casey was at THIS house using her laptop if she was spending her time there. I wasn't talking about what Casey was doing at the Oveido house, (nor did I think that was the house poster raeann was talking about but hey, I could've been wrong.)

[LCoastMom]

Originally Posted by SideKick

Hi there.. good question! I don't recall that KC had told LE anything about Dean Street... does anyone have proof?

I found this article dated July 17th from FOX news. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,384963,00.html

In the middle of the page says:


'She went to clubs that the baby sitter frequented and identified her as Zenaida Gonzalez, police said. But when police went to the apartment Anthony said belonged to the alleged baby sitter, they learned it had been vacant for almost five months, the newspaper reported.'

1. Was it in fact an apartment KC was referring to? Or.. the house on Brackenwood? Uhmm..

2. Did LE in fact see a vacant apartment apparently rented by ZG at some point?

I totally agree with you all, this house is CREEPY!! and you all ROCK!

SK.

What the newspaper reported was taken directly from LE statement; ie the first interviews with KC. The vacant apt was in fact apt 210 at SawGrass, she said ZG met her in the stair well. Apt 210 had been vacant since 2/29/2008 per SawGrass mngmnt. LE has been there, has the paper work to back up the status of the apt. and saw the apt to be empty for themselves. Inspite of KC saying there was furniture and children's items in the apt.

ETA ZG never lived in apt 210, but she did fill out a guest card at SawGrass on 6/17. ZG looked at a vacant apt there with the manager (not if I understand correctly #210). Her guest card also named 2 other people who would be living with her if she rented from them, IIRC the 2 names happen to match the names KC gave LE as ZG's roommates, in reality they were 2 of ZG's 6 kids.

Please don't misunderstand, even though KC gave LE the name (ZG) Zanny as Caylee's nanny, the ZG who has a lawsuit against KC bares no resemblance to the "ZG" KC described as her nanny and KC didn't recognize ZG in the picture LE showed her.

[SideKick]

Originally Posted by missmybaby

What the newspaper reported was taken directly from LE statement; ie the first interviews with KC. The vacant apt was in fact apt 210 at SawGrass, she said ZG met her in the stair well. Apt 210 had been vacant since 2/29/2008 per SawGrass mngmnt. LE has been there, has the paper work to back up the status of the apt. and saw the apt to be empty for themselves. Inspite of KC saying there was furniture and children's items in the apt.

Thank you for clarifying this, much appreciated... the word 'vacant' got to me!

LOL

SK

[SideKick]

On another note:

I noticed from Scared Monkeys.. http://*************.com/2008/11/05/...ping-activity/

...this video, claiming KC's cell activity in the area Caylee was found at the 1:38 point/lower video. This dated June 17-19th. Interesting.

Was she revisiting?

SK

[Marsha]

Originally Posted by Marsha
Is it possible that the PI Casey did have a tip.......something that KC told someone.......that the baby was behind the Gonzales house.

Since the house on the corner of Hopespring and Suburban Drive is owned by a Gonzales person and the house on Brackenwood where he was digging is also owned by a Gonzalez person, could he have been checking out both places?????

In the video I saw it looked like he was digging around at the Brackenwood house and also when he was coming out of the woods it looked very like the crime scene area on Suburban.

Any thoughts??

Originally Posted by darlin gal

There is no Gonzalez person on the corner of Hopespring Dr. A long time trusted SM poster has been in contact with ZFG's attorney John M. over this new "name" information and he went and visited with the people that live there. They have lived there eight years and their name is not Gonzalez. It was more than likely added by someone on the web to whitepages.com, whose site is crawled for listings for other similar sites.

I did some checking on the Orange County Website:

Gonzales persons did own the home at 4701 Hopespring Drive from 1999 until 5/08. Then it looks like the ownership was transferred to the spouse who has since changed her last name.




http://or.occompt.com/recorder/eagle...de=20080263793

http://or.occompt.com/recorder/eagle...de=19990304040

http://www.ocpafl.org/pls/webappI/ge...6=on&x=55&y=13

[LCoastMom]

Originally Posted by Chezhire

Hi there missmybaby I was responding to another poster's comments, raeann's, here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...84#post3166184
which I'd interpreted as her (along with a lot of other posters on this thread) wondering whether or not Casey was at THIS house using her laptop if she was spending her time there. I wasn't talking about what Casey was doing at the Oveido house, (nor did I think that was the house poster raeann was talking about but hey, I could've been wrong.)

This is too funny, I was responding to a question about a picture taken at the Oviado House, poster asked if this house could be the house where there was a picture of KC and Lauren(?) standing by a table with food, at a party!

(nothing about a laptop!! ) But since I have your attention back at you!

I have no idea how my response ended up on your post!! LOL

[LCoastMom]

Originally Posted by SideKick

On another note:

I noticed from Scared Monkeys.. http://*************.com/2008/11/05/...ping-activity/

...this video, claiming KC's cell activity in the area Caylee was found at the 1:38 point/lower video. This dated June 17-19th. Interesting.

Was she revisiting?

SK

I'm not the ping authority here and when they see your post they'll chime in, but I think the A's house and the dump site would ping the same.

[LCoastMom]

Originally Posted by kew17

I think the trash bag in the trunk of the car was her form of trying to mask the odor. This time frame if I'm not mistaken is also when she is discussing the odor in the car with Amy. An interesting note that the forensic team made was that when they set a sample test with a pizza, the odor and it's chemical composition did not match that of the trunk air samples and that the decaying pizza did not produce any maggots.

I thought with all the noise about rotten pizza from the A camp, that it was cool that the lab did this test, even though no pizza was found in the car!!

You'd be amazed how many pizza's were sacrificed last summer to put this rant to rest! Every site I read from at the time had at least 1 person who did this test at home!

[MADJGNLAW]

Something that caught my attention the other day. They said that LE took the toilet into evidence? Hmm...Casey rummaged through the woods he stopped to take still pictures to document his search. He saw trash all over, an empty oil quart, a toilet. “He said he didn't see it and I said keep looking in the woods,” said Lucas.

But the trash like debris Matacia-Lucas wanted Dominic Casey looking for would be next to something specific. “I said try to look for a rock or a paver or something,” said Lucas.

Eventually the psychic tells Dominic Casey to look for three pavers in a row.

The pictures show Dominic Casey finding one paver and then another one and finally after several minutes of feverishly searching he finds three pavers in a row next to an old tire.

Dominic Casey searched the area November 15, went back Sunday the 16th and then again on Tuesday the 18th. He tells fox 35 he was probably within 150 to 200 feet from where little caylee was found.