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Old 02-05-2009, 04:44 PM
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**LIST ONLY**Start From What We Know – Remains Site and beyond.

Articles from remains site. Listed and description released. (may or may not be all inclusive)

Black Plastic Garbage Bag - Colour of ties, if any, not given.

"Cloth Laundry Hamper Bag" – Colour, style not given.

Duct Tape – Silver . Placed across mouth. Length, at least long enough to reach hair on either side.

Heart Sticker Adhesive Residue – Heart shaped. Size not given. Precise location on Duct Tape not given.

Heart Sticker – Found, at remains site. Precise location not given.

Toy Horse - Small plasic. No details given

Clothes etc“Within the bag”
- Pooh blanket
-Shirt Size 3T. Colour not given
-Shorts Size “24 months” White with vertical stripes. Stripe colour not given
-Small cloth Letters. Iron on type. Quantity and precise description not given.

Remains
- Generally consistent with 3 years of age
- Skull. With attached "light coloured" hair. One tooth reported
- Teeth scattered over search area
- Bones within the bag and scattered over wider area
-DNA match to Caylee Marie Anthony.




Armed with evidence from the remains site, LE immediately served a search warrant at the Anthony home and followed up with another warrant a week or so later.

What POSSIBLE evidence might have been seized, or already available to compare with the remains site and items taken into evidence?
1. From Evidence collected 17th July:
- Black plastic bag with yellow pull handles
- Stainless steel knife (The one and only one)
- Pull-ups with “flowers design” [Hints at a remains clue we have not been told of.]

2. Various Duct Tape samples which MAY have been collected from, eg. Amy, Anthony home, AL Appt

3. There is a piece of duct tape shown on early photos of GA’s gas cans. There is no evidence to show this was ever collected by LE.

4. Bedding matching the Pooh blanket

5. Clothing for contrast and comparison with clothing found.

6. Other examples of cloth lettering or perhaps, clothing missing such lettering?

8. Various “Art” supplies and stickers etc to compare with Remains Heart sticker.

9. Similar laundry hampers etc.

10. Further samples of garbage bags, especially if in use (Storage of old clothes etc) since June.

11. Small plastic toy horse or related items, matching that found at crime scene.
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Old 02-05-2009, 05:15 PM
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Don't forget the toy horse.
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Old 02-05-2009, 05:16 PM
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Don't forget the toy horse.
Thanks.

Just have to find the ref.

You got it handy
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Dec. 20 search warrant...
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Why wouldn't OCSO seek toy horses from the house with the Dec. 11 search warrant? Was it not found at the crime scene on that day?
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Hercule, what is the timeline you're proposing? Is it just from Dec 11 to the present?
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Old 02-05-2009, 05:38 PM
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Found it. and added back at opening post
Until I get back, would you please change laundry hamper to 'laundry bag'? TY

Also, shoes/boots belonging to KC taken - assume can be matched to soil/foliage from remains site? (can't recall in first or second search after find, will be back later tonight to link if still outsstanding)

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Old 02-05-2009, 05:38 PM
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Remains
- Generally consistent with 3 years of age
- Skull. With attached hair
- Bones within the bag and scattered over wider area
-DNA match to Caylee Marie Anthony.
(snip)
(bold above by me)

The exact phrase was "...skull had some hairs."

Picky, I know, but if we're gonna do this right...

Truth be told I have been interested in this detail from both a forensic and admittedly somewhat morbid point of view. We have been led to believe that no soft tissue was recovered from the scene. This would suggest that there would be nothing for hairs to be attached to. Not being familiar with the details of extensively decomposed ("skeletonized") corpses I have no idea if this is the case.
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Old 02-05-2009, 05:46 PM
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Hercule, what is the timeline you're proposing? Is it just from Dec 11 to the present?
Not time restricting it at all.

Trying to stick to what we KNOW was at the site. Plus perhaps intelligent deductions, shuch as some pull-up or remnants, since they named that in warrant.

Then what we KNOW LE have as evidence, plus ideas on what they did or should have collected.
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k, that was funny

I can't wait to log in later and participate in this one.


Until I get back, would you please change laundry hamper to 'laundry bag'? TY

Also, shoes/boots belonging to KC taken - assume can be matched to soil/foliage from remains site? (can't recall in first or second search after find, will be back later tonight to link if still outsstanding)
(bold above by me)

I move we compromise on "cloth laundry hamper bag"
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Old 02-05-2009, 05:52 PM
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Not sure if this question is in context of the convo, but having experience with diapers and pull-ups, I don't think that nasty jelly stuff inside them ever (exadurating a bit with the word "ever") biodegrates, does it? That stuff is nasty.
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Not sure if this question is in context of the convo, but having experience with diapers and pull-ups, I don't think that nasty jelly stuff inside them ever (exadurating a bit with the word "ever") biodegrates, does it? That stuff is nasty.
As a 56 year old male, I am afraid Disposable diaper technology has moved on without me. I bow to you superior knowledge.

But to be serious, if there is some sort of absorbent gel layer it may well be comprised of chemicals, not readily biodegradable. Would not the "Save the Planet" crwd have sorted that though?
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Teeth and small bones found at the remains site.
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Old 02-05-2009, 06:05 PM
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Teeth and small bones found at the remains site.
I was thinking teeth included, but I'll specify teeth.
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Old 02-05-2009, 06:12 PM
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Treading on shaky ground with the teeth reference.

"I have heard" there was at least one, possibly more teeth still "with" the skull.

Also heard reports of teeth being found wider afield.
Can anybody cite references?
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Because of the search warrant request for the vacuum cleaners, I think something was on the adhesive side of the duct tape.

I am gonna speculate that it was hair, carpet fibers, floor dust/dirt from the Anthony house.
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A plastic bag containing a child’s skull with duct tape, several small bones, a tooth, long light hair and clothing was discovered by a meter reader working near a wooded area within one-third mile of the Anthony home in East Orange County
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Old 02-05-2009, 06:27 PM
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That is quite specific. ONE tooth
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I think that if the pull ups taken from the evidence of July 17th "hints at a remains clue we have not been told of" the same can be said of the knife.

I can imagine why they revisited the bag and the pull ups but the knife has had me wondering.
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I think that if the pull ups taken from the evidence of July 17th "hints at a remains clue we have not been told of" the same can be said of the knife.

I can imagine why they revisited the bag and the pull ups but the knife has had me wondering.
My guess on the knife is that even without studying, its logical to assume tape MIGHT have been cut with a knife, and check.
Personally I don't think so.

Are you thinking of something else they might have seen at remains site that connects with a kitchen knife?
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Good evening, all!

Thank you for starting this thread, Hercule. We're sure going to need it before next doct dump!


I was surprised about the tooth--great memory and helpful link, Enzeder! (This tooth is very worrying....)

Additions drawn from Dec 20 search warrant: Caylee's "original clothing" as reported by GA incuding pink top, blue jeans skirt or skort, white shoes, white-rimmed sunglasses, back pack with monkey design, doll clothing that fits doll found in KC car.

LE also seems to have a lot of interest in Article 1 in H51976 (H1976? from the car), the white trash bag with blue pull handles (AL trash, etc). This article is an empty can of cherry coke--pulled 3-4 times from Oct through the end Dec. Very odd.

Yes, the black bag with yellow pull handles, knife, and pullups (again from the car H51975? H1975? sorry, no head for numbers the longer string is probably correct) is extremely interesting to LE / FBI.

What hard work to connect the house to the car to the scene!

I'm loving boldface type tonight. *wink*

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Old 02-05-2009, 09:58 PM
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Thank you for starting this thread, Hercule. We're sure going to need it before next doct dump!


I was surprised about the tooth, good memory / link, Enzeder! (This loose bone is quite a concern...).

Additions to Dec 20 search warrant: Caylee's "original clothing" as reported by GA incuding pink top, blue jeans skirt or skort, white shoes, white-rimmed sunglasses, back pack with monkey design, doll clothing that fits doll found in KC car.

LE also seems to have a lot of interest in Article 1 in H51976 (H1976?), the white trash bag with blue pull handles (AL trash, etc). This article is an empty can of cherry coke--pulled 3-4 times from Oct to Dec.

The black bag with yellow pull handles, knife, and pullups (H51975? H1975? no head for numbers) was extremely interesting to LE / FBI.

What do you think might be the significance cherry coke can?

Prints? I would imagine any of the occupants/ visitors to AL appt?
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Old 02-05-2009, 10:13 PM
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What do you think might be the significance cherry coke can?

Prints? I would imagine any of the occupants/ visitors to AL appt?
Hi, HP.
From Aug-Sept-Oct the interest may have been hair(s), saliva, possible other DNA. But that cannot be it--the child and KC in car constantly. Is there blood?

Then the picture changes in Dec with finding remains, but they still want to look at the cherry coke can. Drug residue?

(ref: see forensics H51976 white trash bag, p. 3206, then look at p. 3214). It may crop up on other pages, but those 2 pages are definite. They call it "the article 1."

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http://www.wftv.com/news/18530366/detail.html


CORRECTION / MORE PRECISION

I read past the detective taking "it" out of evidence at p. 3206 to see that Dr. Lee wanted to examine it. Possibly 2-3 times? My notes, not perfect, show interest in "the article 1" from H51976 on Aug 28 and 30, Sept 12, Oct 7, then ca. Dec. 16 or so.

Some WSer with fresh eyes ought to take a look.
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Sorry about the revision of last post.

I hope some one can take a look at the link in my last post and figure out what the fascination might be with the cherry Coke can. Is it just Dr. Lee or is it also interest from LE detectives / forensics?

Personally, I am fixated on the black garbage bag with yellow ties; so no offense if the cherry Coke can is a mere nothing.
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Hi, HP.
From Aug-Sept-Oct the interest may have been hair(s), saliva, possible other DNA. But that cannot be it--the child and KC in car constantly. Is there blood?

Then the picture changes in Dec with finding remains, but they still want to look at the cherry coke can. Drug residue?

(ref: see forensics H51976 white trash bag, p. 3206, then look at p. 3214). It may crop up on other pages, but those 2 pages are definite. They call it "the article 1."

Link:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18530366/detail.html


CORRECTION / MORE PRECISION

I read past the detective taking "it" out of evidence at p. 3206 to see that Dr. Lee wanted to examine it. Possibly 2-3 times? My notes, not perfect, show interest in "the article 1" from H51976 on Aug 28 and 30, Sept 12, Oct 7, then ca. Dec. 16 or so.

Some WSer with fresh eyes ought to take a look.
I think you may be confused? Two different art#1's

On p3206 art #1 Item H-51976 = Sealed box containing garbage

On p3214 art #1 Item H-51975 = Sealed box containing plastic bag etc
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