WESH: Duct Tape Info in the Document Release - Page 10

LancelotLink · #**226** 02-16-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolynna

If it didn't happen it was not very smart of George to say it did.

That information, coming from GEORGE, (who obviously loves and supports Casey) is VERY damaging. It also tightens the timeline.

IMO

Well, I never thought GA was the sharpest tool in the shed. Why he has said the things he has is a mystery to me. I would love to do a Spock Mind Probe and find out...

mitzi · #**227** 02-16-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MyTinkieGirl

Hmmm....wonder if this helps out LA and his "CMA" plea...is THIS enough "knowledge and means to facilitate the answers" for ya, Lee???

Great post!

LancelotLink · #**228** 02-16-2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Eulalie

Couldn't she claim that she put the duct tape on post-accident to stage a kidnapping?

I don't believe for a minute that this was an accident -- I'm just trying to figure out whether duct tape/fingerprints is overwhelming proof of premeditation...and wondering whether there might be something else in the upcoming dump as well.

She would have to take the stand, wouldn't she? Lance asked, filled with sudden hope.

Everly · #**229** 02-16-2009, 09:26 PM

It is also possible that DNA or other evidence was found on the duct tape that indicates if Caylee was dead or alive when it was placed over her mouth.

That was the case with Jonbenet:

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As part of her staging, Thomas wrote that Patsy put a strip of duct tape over JonBenet's mouth. "There was bloody mucus under the tape, and a perfect set of the child's lip prints, which did not indicate a tongue impression or resistance," indicating that JonBenet had not been alive when the tape was affixed to her mouth.

http://www.crimemagazine.com/jonbenet.htm

mitzi · #**230** 02-16-2009, 09:32 PM

I remember hearing talking heads say, some time after the remains had been found, "it was a slam-dunk before the remains were found...now there are more questions than answers." I remember being glad that Caylee had been found, but worried that finding her was going to be more of a problem than helping the solution.....Well....NO MORE!...Doesn't get much better than fingerprints on the duct tape. Woot! God Bless RK for finding Caylee, because if the remains with the duct tape had never been found, I think KC might have had a chance, small as it was, to walk. Not Any More, KC!!! Your ship has sunk!

Eulalie · #**231** 02-16-2009, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LancelotLink

She would have to take the stand, wouldn't she? Lance asked, filled with sudden hope.

I think so.

I wonder whether she's arrogant enough to think she could pull it off.

lin · #**232** 02-16-2009, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Eulalie

Couldn't she claim that she put the duct tape on post-accident to stage a kidnapping?

I don't believe for a minute that this was an accident -- I'm just trying to figure out whether duct tape/fingerprints is overwhelming proof of premeditation...and wondering whether there might be something else in the upcoming dump as well.

She'd have to claim it. JB can't do it for her. And a witness stand is suicide-by-jury for her, imo.

gardenhart · #**233** 02-16-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jennyb

Hi, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by the "country embarrassed them" but otherwise, yes. I think the public would've had a lot of sympathy for the A's if they hadn't tried to obstruct LE and the hard-working searchers or made a full media blitz for donations for some ethereal search of their own that never happened.

It wouldn't diminish my sympathy if they said they loved KC either and then were cooperative and quiet. I think that's what most people would expect, as a matter of fact.

I think they meant embraced, not embarrassed. Proving yet again why that silly spelling stuff isn't so silly after all.

LancelotLink · #**234** 02-16-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Eulalie

I think so.

I wonder whether she's arrogant enough to think she could pull it off.

I would venture to say she is arrogant enough. Another Mind Probe I'd like, but not enough haz mat gloves in existence for my liking.

lin · #**235** 02-16-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LancelotLink

Well, I never thought GA was the sharpest tool in the shed. Why he has said the things he has is a mystery to me. I would love to do a Spock Mind Probe and find out...

Could be like Al Capone's vault redux....

Eulalie · #**236** 02-16-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Everly

It is also possible that DNA or other evidence was found on the duct tape that indicates if Caylee was dead or alive when it was placed over her mouth.

That was the case with Jonbenet:

http://www.crimemagazine.com/jonbenet.htm

Interesting. Do you think duct tape on a live Caylee points to premeditation more strongly than duct tape on an already-deceased child? I'm leaning that way.

lin · #**237** 02-16-2009, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Eulalie

I think so.

I wonder whether she's arrogant enough to think she could pull it off.

It's difficult to overestimate her arrogance, I agree. I just don't think her atty.'s will allow it. Period. Not even with a disclaimer, against our advice, blah blah blah.

Cherry Ames · #**238** 02-16-2009, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by karma-girl

Thank you God, I needed to hear this! I just returned from having to put my 22 yr old kitty (Mr. Magoo aka 'Gooey') to sleep, I have never had to do this before. I came home feeling sad and lost and now I have hope for Caylees justice to be done!!!!

I ADORE cats! 22 years!! He certainly had a long, lovely life, didn't he? Still, it's hard to say goodbye to furry family members. I dread the day I have to say goodbye to my kitty Chuckster.

natsound · #**239** 02-16-2009, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pirate

Ok- anyone want to take bets that this may go to plea in the next couple of weeks?

I think once DP goes back on table, there will be some leverage and pressure.

Also- wonder how the As are taking this news. Do they still support and believe poor widdle Casey?

With LKB on her dream team, I don't see her pleading. But how sweet that would be if you're right.

jennyb · #**240** 02-16-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by gardenhart

I think they meant embraced, not embarrassed. Proving yet again why that silly spelling stuff isn't so silly after all.

Ha ha. OK, thank you. I was...

Horace Finklestein · #**241** 02-16-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Khaki_Pants

I actually think I may need a few days to try to mentally and emotionally prepare for some of the things we were expecting to see all along, and yet still make us want to throw up when we see it.

That's what I was thinking. I'm afraid that, as bad and horrible things have been, we have not begun to scratch the surface of what happened and what KC is capable of. I think it's going to get really, really ugly.

ks1 · #**242** 02-16-2009, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay D

Bolded by me

I don't know about that, but I'll bet my pocket change that someone bought her story, hook, line, sinker and multi-million dollar media contract.

LOL! I'm sure Baez will make plenty off of this! She couldn't possibly sell a book prior to the court date, could she? I know that after her conviction she can't profit, but can she before?

jennyb · #**243** 02-16-2009, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Eulalie

Interesting. Do you think duct tape on a live Caylee points to premeditation more strongly than duct tape on an already-deceased child? I'm leaning that way.

Ya know, I'm not sure. In a way I think duct tape on a live child speaks of a rage killing, in the moment, although they say it only takes a second for it to be considered premeditation so...

natsound · #**244** 02-16-2009, 09:45 PM

From wesh.com:

"Orlando defense attorney Richard Hornsby said the duct tape evidence brings the possibility of the death penalty back in to play. Hornsby said it may force Anthony’s defense attorney, Jose Baez, to "put Casey on the stand" or "consider a plea bargain."

So has this guy Hornsby seen the documents or is he just speculating about the duct tape evidence?

Shaymus at The Rock · #**245** 02-16-2009, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Lovejac

Now THAT'S something to ^5 about! I'll join you!! ^5

Me, too ^5 !!!

lin · #**246** 02-16-2009, 09:47 PM

An article about one of the defense experts:

http://www.thesudburystar.com/Articl...aspx?e=1419288

"He doesn't judge the accused when he's involved in either side of a case, he said, and he doesn't go in and "find the smoking gun. Sometimes it doesn't exist, and in fact it rarely does."

Um, looks like he'll be surprised when he gets wind of this latest batch of docs. I can't see much more of a 'smoking gun' in this case than the duct tape identifying KC.

gitana1 · #**247** 02-16-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by disappear

See, I don't think she was worried about being caught! She has gotten away with everything her entire life, why would anything be different now?? IMOO!

Exactly. For example, wouldn't anyone know that if they lie about a phone call received, the way she did about the fictional call from her daughter on the day 911 was finally called, it can be determined in about 5 minutes if the call really took place? casey does not think about those things because she has never had to. She lies and everyone buys it. She either flashes a big smile or throws a big fit and no one challenges her. Boy has that changed now!

lin · #**248** 02-16-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ks1

LOL! I'm sure Baez will make plenty off of this! She couldn't possibly sell a book prior to the court date, could she? I know that after her conviction she can't profit, but can she before?

Yes, she can and has; that's what's funding the defense. There was recently a thread about JB out hawking pics again.

mitzi · #**249** 02-16-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by lacey clementine

Leonard Padilla saw this coming.

Yes, he sure did!!!!! Where are our nay-sayers NOW!?

natsound · #**250** 02-16-2009, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Eulalie

Interesting. Do you think duct tape on a live Caylee points to premeditation more strongly than duct tape on an already-deceased child? I'm leaning that way.

IIRC, the last doc dump indicated it was just a piece of duct tape over the mouth area. That leads me to believe she was in a state where she couldn't tear it away; either deceased or unconscious.