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Also, male dna mutates about every 500 males. Just thought I would throw that out there, lol....this is what makes the YDNA stuff not the same kind of fingerprint MtDNA is....
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Great! Now we have to make room in our brains for mutations? This DNA "stuff" is mind boggling! (Thanks for trying to keep us educated though...  )
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She cannot do the y-dna testing. It would have to come from a male.
Also, the file that I put on here came from Ancestry and may not be acurate. This is someone who submitted the file. I have not personally checked it, and it is possible it is incorrect.
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Thanks for the clarification. Of course 'she' couldn't take the test.  but with her interest in genealogy, perhaps she could convince a male member of her family to be tested. Especially if she agrees that Mr. Kyle strongly resembles her great grandfather. I don't know 'her' (and I am assuming she is a female based on the site title) relation to the am radio dj who is in this Powell family line, but perhaps we could email him as well.
It's worth a shot, if for nothing else other than a rule out.
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Hi Everyone,
Been following this case and others for a long time. This one and the Grateful Dead Jason Doe case just fascinate me.
Anyway, Cubby I think you are on to something. The resemblance of Benjaman to Clarence is remarkable. So much, that I looked up Clarence on ancestry.com. I found a family tree someone had posted that had Clarence in it. I emailed the submitter asking if they had ever heard of this case. I was hoping they might have some info on a long lost relative.
Turns out the submitter is the great granddaughter of Clarence. She was very nice, but had never heard of this case and didn't mention any long lost relatives. She did state she had the DNA results of her father (Clarence's grandson) and was willing to help.
Here is part of her email
"Clarence is my great-grandfather and I have a lot of information on the Powell line. The first place I have them is in the Monogahela County, West Virginia area. The family migrated to Ohio from there, and eventually over the years moved into Indiana and Iowa. There was a Powell family that stayed in the West Virginia area, that are possibly related to my Powells, but I have never found a direct link to substantiate this.
Clarence served in the Spanish American War in Florida and word-of-mouth stories say that he married while there. I have never found anything to substantiate this though. "
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So has someone fully checked out the Powell line that went to Indiana, per this posting? It appears that Kit # 146923 -N29376 are all part of the Joseph Powell line, and these specifically are the Indiana lines:
http://home.flash.net/~parino/powell...ect-110820.htm
http://home.flash.net/~parino/powell...ect-N48878.htm
This is taken from here:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.co...-02/1234453176
and here:
http://home.flash.net/~parino/powell...na-project.htm
The reason I ask is because one of the Powells, Elmer Lee Powell, was raised by his aunt and uncle: Ora and Bonkmer. Elmer was born in approx 1907-08 Also, help me understand something---if BK has paternal DNA pattern to the Powells, would/could he have a different last name, or should his last name definitely be Powell (except in the case of adoption etc)?
Also, in the Jame Buchanan Powell Jr line, it appears that James B. Powell Jr raised his grandson, James A Schweers, who was born in 1915. Here is his SSDI info: Name: James A. SchweersSSN:303-22-5742Born:12 Apr 1915Died:19 May 1988State (Year) SSN issued:Indiana (Before 1951)
His info according to 1920 census:
James A Schwar
[James A Schweer] Home in 1920:Manchester, Dearborn, Indiana
Age:4 years 8 months
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1915
Birthplace:Indiana
Relation to Head of House:Grandchild
Father's Birth Place:Indiana
Mother's Birth Place:Indiana
Marital Status:SingleRace:
WhiteSex:
Household Members:
NameAge James B Powell51
[57] Emma M Powell45 Henry W Powell18 Dortha(Dorothy) M Powell14 Elma L Powell11 James A Schwar4 8/12
Here is 1930's census info:
Name: James A SchweersHome in 1930:Manchester, Dearborn, Indiana
Age:15 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1915 Birthplace:Indiana Relation to Head of House:Grandson Race:White Occupation:
Education:
Military service:
Rent/home value:
Age at first marriage:
Household Members:Name Age James B Powell61 Anie Powell47 Dorothy Powell24 James A Schweers15
I am thinking Dorothy is James A's mother. Father may have been Walter D Schweers (who was married to someone else, with several children, and 43) The reason I believe it is him is because he also lived in Manchester, IN at the same time (and from what I can tell was the only Schweer living in Manchester at that time). It is also possible that Inez (Walters wife) was a Powell before marriage and her son went to live with her parents for some reason. I found several Inez Powells in Indiana, but none that seem to match her. Yet.
I did find a listing for Dorothy M Schweer living in West Lafayette, Indiana as of 1993. I do not know if she is the same one. If so, she married Mr. Schweer. Hmmm no, don't think so. This Dorothy appears to have been born in 1918.
I cannot find any other info on James A Schweers after the 1930's census, other than the SSDI. I will dig further to see if he had children etc.
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So has someone fully checked out the Powell line that went to Indiana, per this posting? It appears that Kit # 146923 -N29376 are all part of the Joseph Powell line, and these specifically are the Indiana lines:
http://home.flash.net/~parino/powell...ect-110820.htm
http://home.flash.net/~parino/powell...ect-N48878.htm
This is taken from here:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.co...-02/1234453176
and here:
http://home.flash.net/~parino/powell...na-project.htm
The reason I ask is because one of the Powells, Elmer Lee Powell, was raised by his aunt and uncle: Ora and Bonkmer. Elmer was born in approx 1907-08 Also, help me understand something---if BK has paternal DNA pattern to the Powells, would/could he have a different last name, or should his last name definitely be Powell (except in the case of adoption etc)?
Also, in the Jame Buchanan Powell Jr line, it appears that James B. Powell Jr raised his grandson, James A Schweers, who was born in 1915. Here is his SSDI info: Name: James A. SchweersSSN:303-22-5742Born:12 Apr 1915Died:19 May 1988State (Year) SSN issued:Indiana (Before 1951)
His info according to 1920 census:
James A Schwar
[James A Schweer] Home in 1920:Manchester, Dearborn, Indiana
Age:4 years 8 months
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1915
Birthplace:Indiana
Relation to Head of House:Grandchild
Father's Birth Place:Indiana
Mother's Birth Place:Indiana
Marital Status:SingleRace:
WhiteSex:
Household Members:
NameAge James B Powell51
[57] Emma M Powell45 Henry W Powell18 Dortha(Dorothy) M Powell14 Elma L Powell11 James A Schwar4 8/12
Here is 1930's census info:
Name: James A SchweersHome in 1930:Manchester, Dearborn, Indiana
Age:15 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1915 Birthplace:Indiana Relation to Head of House:Grandson Race:White Occupation:
Education:
Military service:
Rent/home value:
Age at first marriage:
Household Members:Name Age James B Powell61 Anie Powell47 Dorothy Powell24 James A Schweers15
I am thinking Dorothy is James A's mother. Father may have been Walter D Schweers (who was married to someone else, with several children, and 43) The reason I believe it is him is because he also lived in Manchester, IN at the same time (and from what I can tell was the only Schweer living in Manchester at that time). It is also possible that Inez (Walters wife) was a Powell before marriage and her son went to live with her parents for some reason. I found several Inez Powells in Indiana, but none that seem to match her. Yet.
I did find a listing for Dorothy M Schweer living in West Lafayette, Indiana as of 1993. I do not know if she is the same one. If so, she married Mr. Schweer. Hmmm no, don't think so. This Dorothy appears to have been born in 1918.
I cannot find any other info on James A Schweers after the 1930's census, other than the SSDI. I will dig further to see if he had children etc. |
I am working on kit N48878 and 146923 - SC13
These are Lovely Abraham Powell's line.
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Ok, I will continue to work on Kit 110820.
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I am working on kit N48878 and 146923 - SC13
These are Lovely Abraham Powell's line.
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I am working on kit N48878 and 146923 - SC13
These are Lovely Abraham Powell's line.
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Carolwood, I thought you were working on the Joseph Powell line. Can you tell me the reason for the switch to Lovely Abraham Powell?
I presume you have seen this: http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/read...-04/1240760938
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Lovely Powell is part of the Joseph Powell line, according to the Powell DNA link for 48878.
Carolwood--Found this today:
http://home.flash.net/~parino/powell...85885-info.pdf
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Somewhere in Lovely's line is a Joseph Powell, whether it be a brother, father, grandfather, great grandfather, etc, and something we don't know unless we get more male Powell's to have there dna tested.
The reasoning behind the Lovely line is kit N48878 is the closet numbers to Benjaman.
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Could one of you brilliant sleuthers please tell me why Mitichondrial Dna is not as widely use as the Y line haplotype tests in tracing relation between two indivduals? This type of DNA is passed by a mother to both male and female offspring without any mixing, so your mtDNA is the same as your mother's mtDNA. It would seem that both typings should be used in genealogical testing.
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"Mitochondrial DNA is very useful to exclude possible matches between missing persons and unidentified persons. Many researchers believe that MtDNA is better suited to identification of older skeletal remains than nuclear DNA because the greater number of copies of MtDNA per cell increases the chance of obtaining a useful sample, and because a match with a living relative is possible even if numerous maternal generations separate the two."
Also on a unrelated note, I found a Eugene Powell AKA Randy, of Tucker Ga. on classmates, he has many of the same features as Mr. Kyle, especially the nose. I am not a subscriber to the site to find out any information but he could possible be related to him, based on appearances.
Photo Here:
http://images.classmates.com/imgsvc/i/d/135193144.jpg
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Could one of you brilliant sleuthers please tell me why Mitichondrial Dna is not as widely use as the Y line haplotype tests in tracing relation between two indivduals? This type of DNA is passed by a mother to both male and female offspring without any mixing, so your mtDNA is the same as your mother's mtDNA. It would seem that both typings should be used in genealogical testing.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_DNA
"Mitochondrial DNA is very useful to exclude possible matches between missing persons and unidentified persons. Many researchers believe that MtDNA is better suited to identification of older skeletal remains than nuclear DNA because the greater number of copies of MtDNA per cell increases the chance of obtaining a useful sample, and because a match with a living relative is possible even if numerous maternal generations separate the two."
Also on a unrelated note, I found a Eugene Powell AKA Randy, of Tucker Ga. on classmates, he has many of the same features as Mr. Kyle, especially the nose. I am not a subscriber to the site to find out any information but he could possible be related to him, based on appearances.
Photo Here:
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Wow, he does have a look to BK
http://www.classmates.com/profile/us...nId=8704646632
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11-02-2009, 10:52 AM
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Could one of you brilliant sleuthers please tell me why Mitichondrial Dna is not as widely use as the Y line haplotype tests in tracing relation between two indivduals? This type of DNA is passed by a mother to both male and female offspring without any mixing, so your mtDNA is the same as your mother's mtDNA. It would seem that both typings should be used in genealogical testing.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_DNA
"Mitochondrial DNA is very useful to exclude possible matches between missing persons and unidentified persons. Many researchers believe that MtDNA is better suited to identification of older skeletal remains than nuclear DNA because the greater number of copies of MtDNA per cell increases the chance of obtaining a useful sample, and because a match with a living relative is possible even if numerous maternal generations separate the two."
Also on a unrelated note, I found a Eugene Powell AKA Randy, of Tucker Ga. on classmates, he has many of the same features as Mr. Kyle, especially the nose. I am not a subscriber to the site to find out any information but he could possible be related to him, based on appearances.
Photo Here:
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This link should show his photo of his graduation year. If it doesn't, click on photo's tab and you will see photo album, click it
http://www.classmates.com/profile/us...32#profileMain
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I took a look at this man.
He does have a look of BK.
Might be a relative.
On the other hand, everyone looks like BK. Well, almost everyone.
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Yes, I agree Dream, all those Powells, for sure are kin, what a strong line. Now we have to place Ben in one of the families, so we can identify him.
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Could one of you brilliant sleuthers please tell me why Mitichondrial Dna is not as widely use as the Y line haplotype tests in tracing relation between two indivduals? This type of DNA is passed by a mother to both male and female offspring without any mixing, so your mtDNA is the same as your mother's mtDNA. It would seem that both typings should be used in genealogical testing.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_DNA
"Mitochondrial DNA is very useful to exclude possible matches between missing persons and unidentified persons. Many researchers believe that MtDNA is better suited to identification of older skeletal remains than nuclear DNA because the greater number of copies of MtDNA per cell increases the chance of obtaining a useful sample, and because a match with a living relative is possible even if numerous maternal generations separate the two."
Also on a unrelated note, I found a Eugene Powell AKA Randy, of Tucker Ga. on classmates, he has many of the same features as Mr. Kyle, especially the nose. I am not a subscriber to the site to find out any information but he could possible be related to him, based on appearances.
Photo Here:
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In a nutshell, MtDNA is not passed from a man to his children. So, since Ancestry is based on the widely held belief that families follow the surname of the male, it is not as helpful determining relatedness. MtDNA does not mutate the way Y DNA does, so if you and I have similar MtDNA, it could be thousands of years old.....
Make any more sense?
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FWIW, I shot off an email to that Sharyl, who had the family member, Clarence Mosteller Powell, which Believe and I thought strongly resembled Mr. Kyle, listed on a Powell genealogy site.
I am still trying to catch up now that I have a fully functional computer. As I get more done on my 'to-do' list for Mr. Kyle, I will post an update.
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FWIW, I shot off an email to that Sharyl, who had the family member, Clarence Mosteller Powell, which Believe and I thought strongly resembled Mr. Kyle, listed on a Powell genealogy site.
I am still trying to catch up now that I have a fully functional computer. As I get more done on my 'to-do' list for Mr. Kyle, I will post an update.
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Glad your puter is better.
Thanks for contacting them.
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Anyone ever hear of 23andme?
It's a DNA test that tests for diseases and ancestry.
Your risk analyzed for 119 diseases and traits, including:
* Breast Cancer
* Rheumatoid Arthritis
* Type 2 Diabetes
Your ancestral path, based on your DNA, in amazing detail:
* Ancestry Painting
* Global Similarity
* Maternal and Paternal Ancestry
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Anyone ever hear of 23andme?
It's a DNA test that tests for diseases and ancestry.
Your risk analyzed for 119 diseases and traits, including:
* Breast Cancer
* Rheumatoid Arthritis
* Type 2 Diabetes
Your ancestral path, based on your DNA, in amazing detail:
* Ancestry Painting
* Global Similarity
* Maternal and Paternal Ancestry |
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I have not heard of this.
Hmm.
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Wow!!
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I have not heard of this.
Hmm.
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If I have time I'll look into it more.
If someone else has time, feel free.
Not sure if it will help him.
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Anyone ever hear of 23andme?
It's a DNA test that tests for diseases and ancestry.
Your risk analyzed for 119 diseases and traits, including:
* Breast Cancer
* Rheumatoid Arthritis
* Type 2 Diabetes
Your ancestral path, based on your DNA, in amazing detail:
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Sorry for O/T
WOW!!! When I have some money I would like to have this done. I am adopted and it would clear up a lot of rumours and misty memories. 
Has anyone here done anything like this and was it accurate?
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Sorry for O/T
WOW!!! When I have some money I would like to have this done. I am adopted and it would clear up a lot of rumours and misty memories.
Has anyone here done anything like this and was it accurate?
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O/T I don't know anyone who's had this done, but it could be useful for families who didn't keep good medical records (for future generations).
I wonder how costly it is to have the test done?
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O/T I don't know anyone who's had this done, but it could be useful for families who didn't keep good medical records (for future generations).
I wonder how costly it is to have the test done?
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$400 which is actually cheaper then having your DNA test done.
We paid $650 for paternity alone. Ours would be admissible in court which is why it was a little more expensive.
From DNA Diagnostics Center
Home DNA Test: $245
Legal DNA Test: $475 (has gone down since 2006)
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Sorry for O/T
WOW!!! When I have some money I would like to have this done. I am adopted and it would clear up a lot of rumours and misty memories.
Has anyone here done anything like this and was it accurate?
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More O/T- Have you tried going to Adoption.com?
We found my adopted brother there.
If you register, make sure you register on the main site as well as the forums.
I was registered on the forums for years; my brother was actually registered on the link I gave.
I'd done everything when the site just went up which is why I was a little "sloppy" with registration.
FWIW, I'm not sure his DNA was ever checked against my "mother" so it's possible he's not even my brother.
If Ben was adopted, the link I posted might be very helpful for him.
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