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Old 03-04-2009, 08:35 AM
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Question NY - Rochester, The Alphabet Killings

The Alphabet Killings or Double Initial killings as some call them occurred in the Rochester area in the early 70's. They are called the Alphabet Killings because all three victims had double initials. 10 year old Carmen Colon's body was found in Chili (Rochesterarians pronounce it Chy-lie), 11 year old Wanda Walkowicz's body was found in Webster and 11 year old Michelle Maenza was found in Macedon. All three had been sexually assaulted and strangled to death. This is Rochester's most infamous unsolved murders and one of the countries most fascinating unsolved murders.

It was believed at one time that Kenneth Bianchi may have been the killer because he lived in the Rochester area at the time but Bianchi denies it.

Here's a couple of articles. I thought it was a three part series of articles but only two are on the D&C website. Here's the first article about them.

Part #2

Fascinating case that is still unsolved.

Anyhoo, I felt this was a great article for the Websleuthers to read.

It's most likely somebody in authority who could lure the girls into his car and IMO, had access to names so he could get the girls with double initials. It was no accident IMO that he knew going in that the girls had double initial names.
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Old 03-04-2009, 08:50 AM
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There was a movie made "loosely" based on the killings starring Eliza Dushku.
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Old 03-04-2009, 09:22 AM
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Thanks for posting the updates on these murders, Steely. My first awareness of these was after seeing them profiled on a crime show. (maybe something like 48 hrs mystery, not sure).

It is curious that the suspects have not shown to be the right man. I would assume they ran the DNA profile through the system of known offenders?

What is scary is if they did, he's not in there. If he's not deceased himself, I would think he has moved on and is still killing, perhaps changing his MO.
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Old 03-04-2009, 11:01 AM
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Interesting case Steely Dan. I'm going to have to look into it more.

I just read, so far, the 'picture' section where it just gave little blurps of clues.

All have double letter of the alphabet name beginning.
Location where they were found began with same letter.
All three were Catholic.
All three had learning disabilities.

There may be more.

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Old 03-04-2009, 11:14 AM
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Thanks for posting this Steely Dan~ I'd never heard of these murders.
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Old 03-04-2009, 11:36 AM
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It's something that has been sticking in the craw of law enforcement the victims families and all Rochestarians who know about this. It's cool how they're knocking away suspects by using DNA now but every time it doesn't match it's just more and more frustrating.
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It's very promising that LE has been open to ideas/tips they've received.
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There was a movie made "loosely" based on the killings starring Eliza Dushku.
Yeah I watched this movie. I wish they had made it a little more true to life though.
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Yeah I watched this movie. I wish they had made it a little more true to life though.
How was it? When I heard the synopsis for the movie I didn't want to see it. If they had made it more true to life I would have watched it too.

The films grand opening was in Rochester and I think Eliza came to town for it.
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if all three were catholic, maybe they attended a camp/school/church type event, where there names would have been known.. ie like a camp counselor
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if all three were catholic, maybe they attended a camp/school/church type event, where there names would have been known.. ie like a camp counselor
That sounds like a reasonable idea- did the girls attend the same church or different parishes that may have held joined camps or anything like that?
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There's already a thread on these murders in the Cold Cases section. Link follows.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75191
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If they want to merge them they can. I did a search for it but didn't find anything. The local newspaper was running a series on this and that's why I started a new thread and linked the articles.

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Here is a newspaper report on one of the suspects of the Alphabet Murders.
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How was it? When I heard the synopsis for the movie I didn't want to see it. If they had made it more true to life I would have watched it too.

The films grand opening was in Rochester and I think Eliza came to town for it.
The movie was okay...however I felt it focused more on Eliza's supposed break-down than the murders themselves. And the ending was one of those "yeah, right" kinds.
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Here is a newspaper report on one of the suspects of the Alphabet Murders.
Thanks, he was absolved of the three alphabet murders but convicted on one little girl the police believe had no connection to the other three.


Last year, through DNA, police linked a Florida man, James Pressler, to the 1976 unsolved rape and strangulation of 7-year-old Michelle McMurray in Rochester the oldest Rochester cold case apparently solved by DNA. Pressler, 76, was charged with second-degree murder but died in a Florida jail of an apparent heart attack before he could be extradited and tried. Police did not suspect Michelle was a victim of the double initial killer because of differences in her age and other distinct differences with those three crimes.


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An article about Kenneth Bianchi as a suspect in these murders.
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/...WS01/903020343
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An article about Kenneth Bianchi as a suspect in these murders.
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/...WS01/903020343
Thanks, I also have the article linked in the beginning of the thread.
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I sent this message to the Monroe County Sheriff's department tonight. I'll let you know if I get any response from them.

On the alphabet murders somebody brought up that since all the girls were Catholic that there may be a link between them that one person had access to. Like a camp or a church or a charity. A Priest or Social Worker would be trusted and also have access to the names of these girls. It seems to me that the person who did this had to have easy access to these kids names.

I know this isn't really a crime tip as much as a theory but this is the only heading that made sense to put it under. I'm pretty sure this theory has been checked out but if it hasn't I just wanted to pass it along. It came from someone at the Websleuths message board. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...82#post3422282

I know LE may not take these sites seriously but there are some smart and creative people there with interesting theories on crimes. If somebody wanted to add some facts to the thread that might get the wheels turning in some people's heads it might be worth it to check out.

Just trying to help out,

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With there being 3 victims I had to wonder if each one of the initials represents one of theirs, or possibly the person he was fixated on and wanted to kill over and over. CWM I wonder if there has ever been a suspect with those initials?

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With there being 3 victims I had to wonder if each one of the initials represents one of theirs, or possibly the person he was fixated on and wanted to kill over and over. CWM I wonder if there has ever been a suspect with those initials?

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Interesting thought.

Another question is why did they stop?
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An article about Kenneth Bianchi as a suspect in these murders.
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/...WS01/903020343
Bianchi, a 1970 graduate of Gates Chili High School, is serving a life sentence for the slayings of two Washington women. In the late 1970s he and his cousin, Angelo Buono Jr., went on a killing spree in southern California, assaulting, torturing and killing young women.

I wonder if they ever looked at Buono Jr. It's possible he was visiting around that time but it would be very difficult for him to know these girls well enough.
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Thanks, I also have the article linked in the beginning of the thread.
Drat, sorry. I hadn't read all of your links and didn't realize it was a duplicate. My goof.
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Drat, sorry. I hadn't read all of your links and didn't realize it was a duplicate. My goof.
Not a large deal. I'm sure others missed it too.
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I sent this message to the Monroe County Sheriff's department tonight. I'll let you know if I get any response from them.

On the alphabet murders somebody brought up that since all the girls were Catholic that there may be a link between them that one person had access to. Like a camp or a church or a charity. A Priest or Social Worker would be trusted and also have access to the names of these girls. It seems to me that the person who did this had to have easy access to these kids names.

I know this isn't really a crime tip as much as a theory but this is the only heading that made sense to put it under. I'm pretty sure this theory has been checked out but if it hasn't I just wanted to pass it along. It came from someone at the Websleuths message board. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...82#post3422282

I know LE may not take these sites seriously but there are some smart and creative people there with interesting theories on crimes. If somebody wanted to add some facts to the thread that might get the wheels turning in some people's heads it might be worth it to check out.

Just trying to help out,
Steely Dan,

Thank you for sending out this email. I am so glad that "bev04" chimed in here!
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