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Lets separate her than. Will see if a cut of her teeth can be enlarged.
Middle photo (black & white) is Cole. Both sides are UID. In first photo it looks like there is quite a bit of swelling around her mouth.
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I'm going to pm Christine to have a look at this. She is our resident expert on Rose Cole.
capoly - nice work. Thank you for all you are doing.
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03-09-2009, 11:36 PM
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WOW. I just read through this quickly and am so impressed with the matches presented, FWIW. WOW. As far as Rose, my gut says no when I see the pic initially, I have stared at her for years....BUT....as you all know, the deceased pics can be so decieving. We have seen many families deny a member because they don't look the same deceased, sad.
I think there are several very good potentials here.
Would love to see each side by side, not only pics, but stats, circumstances, case info....we know about Rose, what do we know about the others presented here?
Awesome sleuthing peeps! Freakin' Awesome! 
I will spend sometime seeing if this could be a match for our Rose. The first thing is the eye color, this UID is said to have brown eyes? Rose had hazel. How accurate is that info on the brown eyes? Haven't had time to research yet the UID to see circumstances. Wanted to jump right in, LOL!
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03-10-2009, 12:39 AM
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Thanks, Christine. Will set up Priddy/UID stats etc since you are already familiar with Cole.
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03-10-2009, 01:38 AM
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How about this gal: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1787dfca.html
Cheryl Schille Wyant
Missing since May 1, 1978 from Rohnert Park, Sonoma County, California
Classification: Endangered Missing
Vital Statistics
Date Of Birth: May 21, 1964
Age at Time of Disappearance: 14 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'8", 120 lbs ( I'm wondering bout how accurate the height est. is on this)
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes. No marks or tattoos.
AKA: Cherie Larson
DNA/Dentals: Available
Circumstances of Disappearance
In 1978, Cherie Wyant walked out of a California hospital after a car accident.
She had previously spent some time in a Clark County, WA foster home.
Investigators
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Clark County Sheriff's Office
Sgt. Dave Trimble
360-397-2020
OR
Rohnert Park Department of Public Safety
707-584-2600
Agency Case Number:
95-025566
NCIC Number: M-892034172
I would like to know who estimated her height, that's fairly tall for a 14 year old female. Cheryl looks alot like this Jane Doe, circumstances would fit,too!
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03-10-2009, 01:42 AM
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.............. Priddy.......... Vitals............ UID
Dates:..8/29/78(M)..........................6/6/79(F)
Ages:...20 yo..................................15-30
Ht.:.....5'4"......................................62" measured
Wt.:....90 lbs...................................105 lbs
Hair:....Brown...................................Light Brown
Eyes:...Brown...................................Brown
Scars:
Priddy: Chin,top of head, above one eye.
UID: None noted.
Dental:
Priddy: Two front teeth turn in towards each other.
UID: TH 8 HAS MESIAL FRACTURE, SLIGHT 0VERBITE,2 FRNT UPPER TEETH 0VERLAP SLIGHTLY.Dental chart and X-rays available at CA DOJ-MUPS and Coroner Division.
DNA:
Priddy: Available in CODIS
UID: Samples submitted (1/30/08)- tests not complete.
Clothes:
Priddy: She was last seen wearing a multi-colored halter top, blue jeans, and brown shoes.
UID: Green socks, brown leather earth shoes.
Circumstances:
Priddy:
Priddy was reportedly last seen by her husband at their residence in Port Lavaca, Calhoun County, TX on August 29, 1978. Her personal belongings, including her purse and car keys, were still at the residence. Circumstances of this case indicate that foul play is possible.
UID:
Jane Doe #02-79 was found dead in a grape vineyard near the intersection of 8th and Rochester in Rancho Cucamonga. She was nude. Probable Year of Death: 1979. Est. Postmortem Interval: N/A Days
Distance between locations:
Priddy: Port Lavaca texas
UID: Rancho Cucamonga, CA
1,461 mi – about 21 hours 24 mins
Interval between cases: Approx. 10 months
Priddy:
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/priddy_wanda.html
UID:
https://identifyus.org/?p=case&i=251...SC&from=search
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Thanks for the side by side Capoly--the nose and chin are almost exactly the same for Cole and UID!!
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First: Cole
Second: Flickinger
Third: Dunn
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ok, I'm showing this to my husband tonite- and I see something I didn't see before - check out flickingers chin compared to the jane doe? It looks very similar.
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03-10-2009, 02:08 AM
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Here is a side by side comparison of UID and Rose Cole. Christine, I know you have worked on Rose alot, she is one of the cases that just puzzles me because she just "disappeared" into thin air. Respectfully, brown and hazel could be interchangeable, my eyes were deep brown until I was about 19, and then they became very green some days, brown others--true hazel. Also, eye color cannot always be definitive after death, in the case of UID.
Rose ------------------------------------------------------------UID
Age: 21-22 (as of 1979)---------------------------------------- 15-30
Height: 5'3" - 5'6" (approx)--------------------------------------- 5'2"
Eye color: hazel------------------------------------------------ brown
Weight: 120----------------------------------------------------- 105
(Rose could have been homeless and had lost weight--her family based her weight on when she lived with them.)
Hair: brown----------------------------------------------------- brown
Dentals: No------------------------------------------------------ Yes
DNA: Avail---------------------------------------------------- Pending
Went missing in N. Cal-------------------------------------- Found S. Cal
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Phew..so much to take in. Again, wow. I am still researching. Fantastic work here. This is what it is ABOUT!
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Thanks, Julesleuther!
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ok, I'm showing this to my husband tonite- and I see something I didn't see before - check out flickingers chin compared to the jane doe? It looks very similar.
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Agree there is facial similarities. Her family's site though states she has a fracture of some sort. Nothing noted for UID but perhaps it can be verified.
Her family is working hard to find her. I so hope they do.
Lapeyrouse said that although she still wants to reach out to Yuma, her gut reaction is that the body in Colusa County, Calif., is her aunt. The niece pointed out that both women have screws and a plate in the right leg, plus the hair color, age and height seem to be a match.
http://betweenlifeanddeath.blogspot....from-erie.html
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03-10-2009, 03:24 AM
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Julessleuther,
The site you found says there are dental records for Rose Cole. That's good.
"Entry for May 16, 2006 Dental Records
Dental records were compared against Jane Doe in Marin County. This were not a match. . ."
Doesn't look like this Jane Doe will be a match if based on Rose Cole's teeth in this photo.
Was thinking the same thing as you re side view of Rose's nose.
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Although their chins look similar as has been pointed out, I doubt Jane Doe is Nellie Flickinger. Like Nellie, my dad was also in a motorcycle accident in the Sixties and had his leg rebuilt with metal components. His scar is quite prominent and resembles a railroad track. Maybe the same work done today would leave less scarring, but I can't see how those scars could be missed if Jane Doe had them, not to mention the metal screws and plates would be found during an x-ray.
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Julessleuther,
The site you found says there are dental records for Rose Cole. That's good.
"Entry for May 16, 2006 Dental Records
Dental records were compared against Jane Doe in Marin County. This were not a match. . ."
Doesn't look like this Jane Doe will be a match if based on Rose Cole's teeth in this photo.
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We do not believe that we have Rose's dentals....this is from Yannette...
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She visited the Moss Dental Clinic in Flint MI. I obtained dental records to be compared with Jane Doe in CA. These were not a match. However, her stepmother (Opal) and step sisters (Brenda & Norma) are certain that the dental records were switch at one point. They think the records I obtained are Norma’s since Rose had no dental work done. The dental work show in the records matches Norma’s dental work.
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We do not believe that we have Rose's dentals....this is from Yannette...
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Okay, thanks, Christine. Am not sure though if you are just clarifying Rose's dental status for future reference (which would alone make sense) or if you are also seeing a possibility re match?
Easy to see why one would become endeared to Rose. A cherub face with smiling eyes.....if we could only turn back time.
ETA Re Rose...was the Jane Doe in Marin County rechecked & ruled out by DNA? Just curious.
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I think the UID should be submitted as a possible match for Rose. In looking at the blowup of Rose that capoly did showing Rose's smile, I can see a "slight overlap" in the two front teeth. It is very slight but I see it. Could be the glare of the light, but I don't think so. Also, taking my little pointer and tracing the cheekbones and the smile dimples on both pictures shows that the UID's cheeks are very similar to Rose's in the cheekbone area and the flat part under the cheekbones. Lips appear to have a similar amount of fullness. Neither really full nor thin - somewhere in between.
I think it is a definite possibility.
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I agree Salem, and also regarding the teeth...if this could possibly be Rose, she was missing for several years by this point, and something could have happened to crack her front teeth, as she was probably living on the street. As much as this looks like Rose, I really won't want it to be her, I guess I live in this fantasy world that she is alive and well, but for whatever reasons did not want to contact her family....sigh.... I feel the cheekbones and nose are right on with Roses'.
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I think the UID should be submitted as a possible match for Rose. In looking at the blowup of Rose that capoly did showing Rose's smile, I can see a "slight overlap" in the two front teeth. It is very slight but I see it. Could be the glare of the light, but I don't think so. Also, taking my little pointer and tracing the cheekbones and the smile dimples on both pictures shows that the UID's cheeks are very similar to Rose's in the cheekbone area and the flat part under the cheekbones. Lips appear to have a similar amount of fullness. Neither really full nor thin - somewhere in between.
I think it is a definite possibility.
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Very good question. If the dentals that Marin county used were not Rose', did they do further tests to outrule Marin UID?
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Okay, thanks, Christine. Am not sure though if you are just clarifying Rose's dental status for future reference (which would alone make sense) or if you are also seeing a possibility re match?
Easy to see why one would become endeared to Rose. A cherub face with smiling eyes.....if we could only turn back time.
ETA Re Rose...was the Jane Doe in Marin County rechecked & ruled out by DNA? Just curious.
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Julessleuther - I understand about that fantasy world. I understand. ((((hugs))))!
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In the UID dental comment it says: TH 8 HAS MESIAL FRACTURE....
And from a case report on root fracture.
Physical trauma is the most common cause for tooth/root fracture in vital teeth.
http://priory.com/dentistry/Vertical_Root_Fracture.htm
Now is TH 8 the upper right front tooth? On UID is it the top front one that looks pushed in one one side?
I think a mesial fracture means a midline break in tooth but am not sure.
ETA Photo UID-Younger Rose-Rose
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I don't think she looks like any of the photos provided here (no offense to anyone who might think so). It's too bad it has taken such a long time for law enforcement/medical examiners to get to the point of really showing the decedents bodies in a manner that they would be much easier to identify (obviously only in cases where that is possible) Back in the day (way back in the 1880-90's) coronors actually used to sit bodies up and open their eyes for photographs (even ones WITH THE FAMILY-wierdness-lol). The real tragedy here is the number of lost people, people who left their families or who were left by their families, and venture out alone.
The description of the case is woefully lacking. Was she a homicide victim? Drugs? Raped? Who found her? Any tire tracks? Footprints? What time of day? How long was she estimated to have been in the field (she was only dead for approximately a day). She was nude but had shoes and socks on, which clearly indicates either rape or prostitution.
I am simply dumbfounded that we have news on every day and night and yet these pictures don't get posted because (God forbid) we might offend someones sensibilities.
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I don't think she looks like any of the photos provided here (no offense to anyone who might think so). It's too bad it has taken such a long time for law enforcement/medical examiners to get to the point of really showing the decedents bodies in a manner that they would be much easier to identify (obviously only in cases where that is possible) Back in the day (way back in the 1880-90's) coronors actually used to sit bodies up and open their eyes for photographs (even ones WITH THE FAMILY-wierdness-lol). The real tragedy here is the number of lost people, people who left their families or who were left by their families, and venture out alone.
The description of the case is woefully lacking. Was she a homicide victim? Drugs? Raped? Who found her? Any tire tracks? Footprints? What time of day? How long was she estimated to have been in the field (she was only dead for approximately a day). She was nude but had shoes and socks on, which clearly indicates either rape or prostitution.
I am simply dumbfounded that we have news on every day and night and yet these pictures don't get posted because (God forbid) we might offend someones sensibilities.
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Have a few more comparisons to post but was trying to post info with them so is time consuming. Maybe will just post photos to get it going, then info.
Re number of lost.....it is hard to comprehend not just the number of missing but the number of possible murders within that number of missing.
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