CA CA - Rancho Cucamonga, WhtFem 633UFCA, 15-30, In Grape Vineyard, Jun'79 - *GRAPHIC*

[Snufamonbobball]

Ms. Tokier's NamUs profile was uploaded a few days ago. Her investigator is in San Bernadino County (it's Mr. Van Norman's assistant), so I'm sure he's on it.

I do wish I could update the rule out list, as I do have a partial list of rule outs- but I can't right now- because of a confidentiality clause which I would never break. Please try to be patient, waiting is the longest, hardest part.

But keep Ms. Tokier in mind as we roll through cyberspace!!

Snuf

[glitterghost]

All the photos with side by sides are great matches. I tried to pick one that wasnt such a good match to help narrow it but they all looked right...even the eyebrow area. I didnt read the stats, i just did a visual.

[tamar]

A difference in height, but she looks very similar, her front teeth cross and she is from Cali...

The Doe Network:
Case File 2888DFWA


Elaine Marie Robertson
Missing since May 27, 1979 from Tacoma, Pierce County, Washington
Classification: Missing



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Vital Statistics

Age at Time of Disappearance: 24 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'6"; 130 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; hazel eyes.
Dentals: Not available.


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Circumstances of Disappearance
Elaine Robertson lived in San Louis Obispo, California; but in May 1979 (over the Memorial Day weekend)she was vacationing at Mt. Rainer, WA. Elaine Robertson, with her dog, wandered into the Sunshine Point camp ground on a rainy evening, she was not coherent. The next morning Elaine and the dog were gone, though she left all her belongs at the camp site.

Pierce County investigated and an extensive search was done. Elaine's van was located within a mile of the camp site; though, Elaine or the dog has never been found or heard from.

[TheMentalist]

I dont have anything specific relating to this victim but I can say that there is a TA Truckstop very close to the grape vineyard in Rancho Cucamonga. I think this girl may have come from another area or traveled to Ca with a trucker. Just a thought as I dont have any facts.

[believe09]

Bumping-does anyone know if the possible match to Rose Cole was ever ruled out? Rose has a big following here and is the pet case of my mentor here at WS...

[CarlK90245]

I took a close look over all of the possibles mentioned on this thread. My money is on Wanda Priddy.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/priddy_wanda.html

Side by Side - WARNING: Postmortem photo at link:


I would have thought they could have confirmed or ruled her out already, but maybe they are having trouble getting identifiers on Wanda. The comparisons are a little difficult because of the awkward angle from which RCJD's photo was taken. But nevertheless, I see the following similarities:

(1) The Charley profile indicates that Wanda's "upper teeth turn inwards toward each other." Below is a photo of RCJD's teeth, which I found on a different thread. I'm not sure where the poster got the photo from, but it does appear to be RCJD's teeth. The description of Wanda's teeth appears to be consistent to RCJD's teeth.



(2) Their noses are prominent, narrow at the nostrils (alae), and bulbous. All other structural elements of their faces appear to be consistent to each other (although precise comparison is difficult due to the difference in camera angles).

(3) Their eyebrows (both right and left) have very similar size and shapes (See Graphic Below)

(4) Wanda's Charley page indicates that she has scars on her chin, above one of her eyes and on the top of her head. The scar on her chin appears to be a vertical scar to the right of center. RCJD appears to have a similar scar. I am unable to see the other scars described in Wanda's Charley page.

(5) Both appear to have what appears to be a burn scar on their left cheek (See Below). RCJD also has significant bruising in the same area, but this bruising appears to be different from the discoloration.



(6) Wanda was last seen wearing brown shoes. RCJD was wearing brown "quarter earth shoes".

(7) There is a 2" difference in their heights, but that is not outside reasonable tolerances.

[believe09]

TY Carl-fwiw, I cc'd you on an email to LAPD cold case squad...Van Norman is looking for info that would compare this case against victims of Bittaker and Norris as you suggested. Kudos for being up on them-Van Norman thinks it is possible.

[believe09]

Are there dentals for Wanda, Carl? VanNorman would love that...fast rule in/out.

[CarlK90245]

Fortunately, Wanda is from Texas. TX DPS is a very efficient operation, and we should have no trouble finding out what they do and don't have on her.

[CarlK90245]

I just spoke with Alice Buchanan of TX DPS regarding Wanda Priddy. She says that all that they have on Wanda is DNA. No Dentals, No Fingerprints.

Also, she has no indication on her side that Wanda has ever been compared to RCJD. She does have a notation that she was ruled out as a possible for a UID found in a cave in Las Vegas.

ETA:
Here is the case for which she was ruled-out.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/362ufnv.html

[CarlK90245]

I made a call to David VanNorman. His voice mail message indicates that today is his day-off. I did not leave him a message. Instead, I sent him an e-mail.

[CarlK90245]

Van Norman responded to my e-mail. He says that in March 09, he "tentatively" ruled out Wanda Priddy using dental charts based on "irreconcilable inconsistencies in dental characteristics" of teeth 4 and 5.

He indicated however, that "there is always a possibility that dental characteristics were mis-charted.", and when Jane Doe's DNA profile is uploaded to CODIS, there will be a second opportunity to match or rule-out these cases.

I wonder he was able to get dental charts on W Priddy when TX DPS, who is in charge of her MP case, can't find them in her case file. Not that it's a big deal. I have had pretty good experience with them in the past.

[CarlK90245]

BTW, this appears to be why he won't publicize a rule-out list (as Snufamonboball has indicated). He doesn't consider a rule-out based on dental charts to be a positive rule-out because "there is always a possibility that dental characteristics were mis-charted."

[Roxychic1982]

Originally Posted by Julessleuther

Hey guys this looks EXACTLY like Rose Cole!

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=7 06857&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searc hLang=en_US

Jules, Thanks for this post...yes, it does seem like a perfectly good match. The age, weight and height are very close, and the photo is uncanny. Her teeth are pretty much match the description of our Doe as well..from the picture you can see teeth #8 and 9 do overlap and she has a slight overbite. Awesome job at pointing this out! I think this may be her!

[Roxychic1982]

Originally Posted by CarlK90245

I took a close look over all of the possibles mentioned on this thread. My money is on Wanda Priddy.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/priddy_wanda.html

Side by Side - WARNING: Postmortem photo at link:


I would have thought they could have confirmed or ruled her out already, but maybe they are having trouble getting identifiers on Wanda. The comparisons are a little difficult because of the awkward angle from which RCJD's photo was taken. But nevertheless, I see the following similarities:

(1) The Charley profile indicates that Wanda's "upper teeth turn inwards toward each other." Below is a photo of RCJD's teeth, which I found on a different thread. I'm not sure where the poster got the photo from, but it does appear to be RCJD's teeth. The description of Wanda's teeth appears to be consistent to RCJD's teeth.



(2) Their noses are prominent, narrow at the nostrils (alae), and bulbous. All other structural elements of their faces appear to be consistent to each other (although precise comparison is difficult due to the difference in camera angles).

(3) Their eyebrows (both right and left) have very similar size and shapes (See Graphic Below)

(4) Wanda's Charley page indicates that she has scars on her chin, above one of her eyes and on the top of her head. The scar on her chin appears to be a vertical scar to the right of center. RCJD appears to have a similar scar. I am unable to see the other scars described in Wanda's Charley page.

(5) Both appear to have what appears to be a burn scar on their left cheek (See Below). RCJD also has significant bruising in the same area, but this bruising appears to be different from the discoloration.



(6) Wanda was last seen wearing brown shoes. RCJD was wearing brown "quarter earth shoes".

(7) There is a 2" difference in their heights, but that is not outside reasonable tolerances.

Very good points Carl, but Im concerned with the the dentals. #8 and 9 were noted as inverted inward towards each other with a slight overlap and overbite. I dont see this on the model of our doe. Your picture comparisons are very good however. Thanks for your post! I still have "my money" on Rose Cole. Dental comparisons are going to be very hard to pass by this Certified Dental Assistant..lol

[lieber32]

Originally Posted by CarlK90245

I don't think that this Jane Doe is Paulette. Their noses are nothing alike, especially when you look at the morgue photo of Jane Doe in the profile.

Jane Doe (especially when shown in the profile) has a long straight nose. The straight-on photo and the sketches make her nose appear shorter because the camera angle is from under her nose. Paulette has a bulbous round nose with unusually short height, and the camera angle is from the same height. If you only looked at the sketch of Jane Doe, and not the profile morgue photo, you wouldn't see how long and straight Jane Doe's nose is.

Secondly, the distance between Paulette's nose and her upper lip is much longer than that of Jane Doe.

Also, Paulette's cheekbones are slightly higher and more defined than Jane Doe's.

But I could be wrong. Morgue photos can be deceptive. If it hasn't been submitted, we should submit it nevertheless. They do look enough alike, especially in the front teeth.

I just now saw the morgue photos and I was amazed by how different it looks from the sketch. I also have a nose that looks long and straight if photographed from the side but appears shorter if photographed with me looking straight at the camera also due to my nose being wide on top. For that reason I avoid side photos at all cost. Also noticed what looks to be like a dimple located above her top lip in the middle. I also have this and it is a distinguishing characteristic. Even our hair colors looked eerily similiar, although I have seen it described as light brown, looks dark auburn/darker brown to me. Out of all respect I don't think it looks like Paulette. After seeing the morgue photo I feel less strongly about the other names that have been suggested as well. Really hoping this case gets solved.

[Deeds]

Deborah A. McCall
Missing since November 5, 1979 from Downers Grove, DuPage County, Illinois
Classification: Endangered Missing

Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: March 30, 1963
Age at Time of Disappearance: 16 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'2"; 105 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Long brown hair; gray eyes. Freckles. Wears contacts.
Clothing: Beige hooded jacket with zipper, sweater, blue jeans, and light brown suede shoes.
Jewelry: Yellow gold necklace.
Dentals: Available
DNA: Available
AKA: Debbie

Circumstances of Disappearance
Deborah left school on November 5, 1979 and has not been seen since.

Links;
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...l_deborah.html
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2975dfil.html
http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...archLang=en_US

[LotsaLatte]

Originally Posted by Deeds

Deborah A. McCall
Missing since November 5, 1979 from Downers Grove, DuPage County, Illinois
Classification: Endangered Missing

Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: March 30, 1963
Age at Time of Disappearance: 16 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'2"; 105 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Long brown hair; gray eyes. Freckles. Wears contacts.
Clothing: Beige hooded jacket with zipper, sweater, blue jeans, and light brown suede shoes.
Jewelry: Yellow gold necklace.
Dentals: Available
DNA: Available
AKA: Debbie

Circumstances of Disappearance
Deborah left school on November 5, 1979 and has not been seen since.

Links;
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...l_deborah.html
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2975dfil.html
http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...archLang=en_US

I thought she looked like a good candidate but think the UID was found June 7, 1979 and Deborah disappeared November 5, 1979.

LINK:
https://identifyus.org/cases/2512

[traacker13]

How about Pamela Harvey Rosseau from Ontario?

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2041dfon.html

She disappeared in December of 78 but perhaps she hitchhiked to someplace warmer like CA for the winter???

[CarlK90245]

RCJD has a much more prominent nose.

[ashyboy16]

I am a newbie to WS, but I have to say..this is the one case that's been haunting me since my early teens. I'll search around for more possible matches.

[Just Pat 22]

DNA with namus can take three months or less depends on how quickly they get the results and if they have a back log you wait . I had to wait for the DNA for the Oregon remains about three months to see if they matched my missing Sister Madeline Anna Babcock . It didn;t match Madeline . I would say Three months top . One medical examiner told me it could take 6 months or more depends on the folks doing the testing. If That will help any Good Luck . Pat

[Kimster]

Originally Posted by ashyboy16

I am a newbie to WS, but I have to say..this is the one case that's been haunting me since my early teens. I'll search around for more possible matches.

[Kimster]

Originally Posted by Just Pat 22

DNA with namus can take three months or less depends on how quickly they get the results and if they have a back log you wait . I had to wait for the DNA for the Oregon remains about three months to see if they matched my missing Sister Madeline Anna Babcock . It didn;t match Madeline . I would say Three months top . One medical examiner told me it could take 6 months or more depends on the folks doing the testing. If That will help any Good Luck . Pat

Thank you for the information, Pat! It's good to see you again!

[Ambercat]

NamUs has quite a few rule outs (45 actually 43 with Vicke Lamberton and Elaine Robertson both listed twice). Rose Cole and Wanda Priddy are both also on the list.

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/2512