Updated POLL: Why No Obstruction Charges Yet...If Ever???

[kageykaren]

Originally Posted by Leila

I agree that they're waiting until after the trial. The way I understand it, if they're not charged with anything, and are subpoenaed to testify at Casey's trial, they must tell the truth or be subject to perjury charges. If any members of the Anthony family commit perjury, they'll likely be charged with obstruction of justice charges on top of perjury.

Right now, the prosecution has bigger fish to fry - getting a conviction on Casey for the murder of Caylee.

LE has had to continually put on their, "High Wadders" Lol! when trying to make since of the A's statements to better investigate the murder of Caylee by the A's daughter KC! One thing that stuck out in my mind because I found it amusing, was LE asking Hoover several times, who CA was yelling at during her fit of rage that appeared to be directed towards several LE officers! CA's unabashed rage towards the people who were always there for her, G, and L was so inappropriately displaced. I'm glad to have not seen CA carrying a bat to bang crosses at the pretinous memorial services.

[Searchfortruth]

Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

Even if Cindy sent DC to search that area, it doesn't mean that she received a tip. The area had been discussed quite a bit. Cindy had nothing but time on her hands to do a lot of thinking. She wouldn't have been the first person to have an interest in that area. It's difficult for me to understand, people criticize Cindy for not searching and then, when she sends someone to search, she's wrong again.

I am not aware of LE asking to speak to the A's and the A's refusing. Until we know that has happened, how can we possibly criticize them for it or call it obstruction of justice?

The problem, IMO, is not her sending someone to search or not so much, it's what she was putting forth publicly and to LE and then what she was doing in private. It's obvious she was saying to the world, on TV, that she believed Caylee to be alive, this is what she represented to LE, as well. Then we find out that she had her people search Suburban, and they were searching for remains...like LE said, they weren't out there looking for Caylee running in the field. This was a pretty serious search, DC was there three times, taking pictures, videotaping, and here is the problem, IMO. They thought this was a serious tip, where ever they got it from, and they didn't talk about it on LK or call LE to check it out. This confirms that they were interested in ONLY finding a live Caylee and furthering the "word" that Caylee was not DEAD ! They didn't want TES to search for a "dead Caylee", Cindy was mad about that. To me, it's pretty clear that Cindy didn't want Caylee found if she was dead. If LE can find and prosecute a crime in all that, or anything else this family has done to derail the investigation, I say go to it !

[Cookie278]

I doubt that any charges will be brought against the A's at all. One, I don't think the prosecutors will feel the need to put this family thru anymore. Especially when it is looking as if they will be able to get a conviction regardless of what the A's may or may not have done. And two, what really have they done? Yes CA washed some clothes, but she didnt have the car taken to the crusher, thus destroying all evidence. CA may have had someone search but she didn't have them find the body and move it and make sure it would never surface. What she may have done if DC had found it, who knows. Can't try someone for what they might have done.

I know some of you feel very strongly about the behavior of the A's. Some of us are more sympathetic than others. But from a legal standpoint I just dont see charges being brought

And slightly off topic, but I want to say this since it keeps bouncing around in my head..I wonder how much of the Anthony hate(?) is due to our inability to comprehend how one person, KC, could ever have done this. That maybe we need more people to blame. If it is simply KC waking up one day and doing this horrific act then maybe it could happen to anybody. But if we can blame the parents, at least in part, then maybe we feel, that we, as parents, have more control, and our children wont end up like KC. Not sure if this makes sense or if I am wording this right. Shouldn't post while working.

[natsound]

Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

I think Cindy wanted to prove to herself that Caylee's body was not there. I also believe that there's no way DC, Hoover, and the A's would assist Caylee's murderer by not reporting the body if they had found it.

DC has already proven he's not on the up-and-up. I wouldn't put anything past him. This silly lie he's put out about KC and JB eating licorice like lovers? Ugh.

[Searchfortruth]

Originally Posted by Cookie278

I doubt that any charges will be brought against the A's at all. One, I don't think the prosecutors will feel the need to put this family thru anymore. Especially when it is looking as if they will be able to get a conviction regardless of what the A's may or may not have done. And two, what really have they done? Yes CA washed some clothes, but she didnt have the car taken to the crusher, thus destroying all evidence. CA may have had someone search but she didn't have them find the body and move it and make sure it would never surface. What she may have done if DC had found it, who knows. Can't try someone for what they might have done.

I know some of you feel very strongly about the behavior of the A's. Some of us are more sympathetic than others. But from a legal standpoint I just dont see charges being brought

And slightly off topic, but I want to say this since it keeps bouncing around in my head..I wonder how much of the Anthony hate(?) is due to our inability to comprehend how one person, KC, could ever have done this. That maybe we need more people to blame. If it is simply KC waking up one day and doing this horrific act then maybe it could happen to anybody. But if we can blame the parents, at least in part, then maybe we feel, that we, as parents, have more control, and our children wont end up like KC. Not sure if this makes sense or if I am wording this right. Shouldn't post while working.

I did think about the last question you posed. I didn't like SP's mother because she was so pathetic in her denial that he had done anything wrong. That's it though. I have never held any bad feelings, that I can remember, for the parent's of a murderer. I hold people accountable for their actions. I hold Casey responsible for Caylee's murder. I hold the Anthony's responsible for their attempt to derail the investigation. I don't think there has ever been a set of parent's like them, that we have seen. Their behavior, from "day one" has been incomprehensible, IMO.

[karenz]

Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

Being that we don't know with certainty what, if anything, led Cindy to be curious about that area, how can we assume that she should have sent LE to search there? There are already complaints about Cindy sending LE on 'wild goose chases." What if this was just another one?

I'm still confused. Over and over I've read that Cindy and George should have been searching - now it's changed to they shouldn't have been searching, they should have sent LE to do it.

The part that is being forgotten is BOTH the PI's have stated that this was the ONE AND ONLY time that CA had sent them to look for a dead Caylee.

Why a dead Caylee at that exact spot? Why not look for a dead Caylee near the airport as there was a lot of speculation at that area too.

This is strictly my opinion but CA knew something about that spot. Whether this is obstruction or not is yet to be determined. So I don't fault them for searching or not searching but rather I am suspicious of that incident.

[Leila]

Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

The pants smelled like the car? Everything in the car smelled like decomp, as did the car itself. How did washing those pants in any way impede the investigation? Did it remove all traces of decomp odor from everything? LE did not ask Cindy about the pants. She volunteered the information. They wouldn't even have known about them otherwise. Who destroys evidence and then draws attention to it?

Kealings quote applies to anyone who is a witness in a murder trial - he's saying IF they are not truthful the end result COULD include obstruction of justice charges. In other words, that has not happened yet. It means nothing.

Those pants could be a major key in linking Casey to the murder. Cindy says the pants "smelled like the car" so she washed them. But, no one knows if the pants only smelled or if there was any sort of evidence on them, such as blood (from Caylee).

[natsound]

Originally Posted by karenz

The part that is being forgotten is BOTH the PI's have stated that this was the ONE AND ONLY time that CA had sent them to look for a dead Caylee.

Could you link to that? I hadn't seen or heard that.

[sumbunny]

Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

Even if Cindy sent DC to search that area, it doesn't mean that she received a tip. The area had been discussed quite a bit. Cindy had nothing but time on her hands to do a lot of thinking. She wouldn't have been the first person to have an interest in that area. It's difficult for me to understand, people criticize Cindy for not searching and then, when she sends someone to search, she's wrong again.

I am not aware of LE asking to speak to the A's and the A's refusing. Until we know that has happened, how can we possibly criticize them for it or call it obstruction of justice?

I think what upsets a lot of people regarding cindy is the time that she didn't allow Tim M. an article of caylee's to help search for her.

I'm not sure why she wouldn't offer anything at all, to help find her daughter? ((excuse me grand daughter)) I keep remembering the "I have three children" memorial speech

[Bluebelle]

Originally Posted by karenz

After LA's lawyers press tour that seemed like he was doing damage control BEFORE we had even gotten an idea he would be charged and then Brad C.'s "conflicting statements in the past" comments, I was sure that Obstruction of Justice or some sort of charge was pending for one of the A's. Then I thought they were waiting until after the memorial and still nothing.

CA/GA/LA do not appear to be cooperating any more than they were before so what is up?

What are your thoughts?

2 reasons, I think:

1. The state wants to get justice for Caylee before anything else so they are first focusing on their case against her murderous mother.

2. The state is waiting to get their testimonies from Casey's trial to solidify their cases against these three liars; no doubt this trio will perjure themselves since they obviously don't know how to tell the truth. I say GOOD, get them under oath with their lies. And don't think the FBI will look the other way either, the A's have wasted valuable time and resources with their lies & remember, Martha Stewart went to prison solely for lying to the Feds. I believe the Feds and also local law enforcement will charge the A’s for everything they've done to thwart the investigation into Caylee's murder.

[Leila]

Originally Posted by Searchfortruth

I did think about the last question you posed. I didn't like SP's mother because she was so pathetic in her denial that he had done anything wrong. That's it though. I have never held any bad feelings, that I can remember, for the parent's of a murderer. I hold people accountable for their actions. I hold Casey responsible for Caylee's murder. I hold the Anthony's responsible for their attempt to derail the investigation. I don't think there has ever been a set of parent's like them, that we have seen. Their behavior, from "day one" has been incomprehensible, IMO.

I agree with your position on this. The Anthony family - GA, CA, and LA, reminded me initially of JP's denial. But the Anthony's have gone above and beyond JP with the behavior they've displayed publicly since the beginning. It's their inappropriate behavior, attempts to derail the investigation, the possibility that they've profitted from Caylee's death, and willingness to throw innocent people under the bus that I'm angry about.

[Omachka]

Hi everyone. I'm new here and this is my first post.

I don't think there will be charges against GA, CA or LA until after KC's trial is finished (if at all). If any of these 3 were charged before hand, then they could possibly plead the 5th rather than testifying against KC during her trial.

[mikeysmommom]

Originally Posted by Cookie278

I doubt that any charges will be brought against the A's at all. One, I don't think the prosecutors will feel the need to put this family thru anymore. Especially when it is looking as if they will be able to get a conviction regardless of what the A's may or may not have done. And two, what really have they done? Yes CA washed some clothes, but she didnt have the car taken to the crusher, thus destroying all evidence. CA may have had someone search but she didn't have them find the body and move it and make sure it would never surface. What she may have done if DC had found it, who knows. Can't try someone for what they might have done.

I know some of you feel very strongly about the behavior of the A's. Some of us are more sympathetic than others. But from a legal standpoint I just dont see charges being brought

And slightly off topic, but I want to say this since it keeps bouncing around in my head..I wonder how much of the Anthony hate(?) is due to our inability to comprehend how one person, KC, could ever have done this. That maybe we need more people to blame. If it is simply KC waking up one day and doing this horrific act then maybe it could happen to anybody. But if we can blame the parents, at least in part, then maybe we feel, that we, as parents, have more control, and our children wont end up like KC. Not sure if this makes sense or if I am wording this right. Shouldn't post while working.

I just wanted to say ITA.A lot of people have said this would never happen in their family,but whats makes anyone think something like this can not happen to them? Blaming the whole family IMO gives a false sense of security.They are a dysfunctional family but if we had as much info on most families as we do the A's most would seem to have major issues as well.

[mitzi]

Originally Posted by kageykaren

LE has had to continually put on their, "High Wadders" Lol! when trying to make since of the A's statements to better investigate the murder of Caylee by the A's daughter KC! One thing that stuck out in my mind because I found it amusing, was LE asking Hoover several times, who CA was yelling at during her fit of rage that appeared to be directed towards several LE officers! CA's unabashed rage towards the people who were always there for her, G, and L was so inappropriately displaced. I'm glad to have not seen CA carrying a bat to bang crosses at the pretinous memorial services.

I'd like to know Cindy's pastor's opinion of her beating a cross to death!

[Chilly Willy]

Originally Posted by mitzi

I'd like to know Cindy's pastor's opinion of her beating a cross to death!

I would hope, if he's truly a man of God, that he is full of concern and compassion for a member of his flock who is experiencing such horrible emotional pain and conflict.

[magic-cat]

Originally Posted by Leila

Those pants could be a major key in linking Casey to the murder. Cindy says the pants "smelled like the car" so she washed them. But, no one knows if the pants only smelled or if there was any sort of evidence on them, such as blood (from Caylee).

or in them-such as a chloroform rag or drugs or a sheet of stickers...Heck-the BACKING off that one sticker we saw in the search warrant pictures-THAT could have once been inside the car and was removed pre-police arrival.

Originally Posted by Bluebelle

2 reasons, I think:

1. The state wants to get justice for Caylee before anything else so they are first focusing on their case against her murderous mother.

2. The state is waiting to get their testimonies from Casey's trial to solidify their cases against these three liars; no doubt this trio will perjure themselves since they obviously don't know how to tell the truth. I say GOOD, get them under oath with their lies. And don't think the FBI will look the other way either, the A's have wasted valuable time and resources with their lies & remember, Martha Stewart went to prison solely for lying to the Feds. I believe the Feds and also local law enforcement will charge the A’s for everything they've done to thwart the investigation into Caylee's murder.

I so much hope that you are right. Just as Casey's problems in life and her raising is not reason enough to excuse her for murder-neither are the problems the Anthony family faces reason enough to excuse illegal and unethical behavior that just goes on and on and never ends!

Originally Posted by Omachka

Hi everyone. I'm new here and this is my first post.

I don't think there will be charges against GA, CA or LA until after KC's trial is finished (if at all). If any of these 3 were charged before hand, then they could possibly plead the 5th rather than testifying against KC during her trial.

WELCOME!

Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

I would hope, if he's truly a man of God, that he is full of concern and compassion for a member of his flock who is experiencing such horrible emotional pain and conflict.

Ain't it the truth...

You know, on the whole cross issue...think about it-Jesus was TORTURED and TORMENTED on a cross and lost His life there. He was NAILED hand and foot and then speared through while hanging there. He had a crown of horrible awful thorns pressed into His head while He was there. He cried out to His Father and received no response. He died there for us, but I have some very serious doubts whether He would want us to memorialize the symbol of His suffering with quite such reverence as we do.

He said pick up your cross and follow me-meaning-pick up your own suffering and follow after my ways. He did not literally mean for us to pick up a cross, and I doubt this instruction meant that we should make an idol of the very cross upon which He hung.

[karenz]

Originally Posted by natsound

Could you link to that? I hadn't seen or heard that.

At the end the Dec LE interview with DC he talks about this and in the Dec 18 JH interview with LE he talks about how Cindy would give the tips out and tell them which direction to go in and LE questions why CA kept those tips from LE.

Hoover http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media...3/45412199.pdf


Dominic Casey http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0219/18750716.pdf

For more info see the dedicated threads on these 2 interviews.

[BonKai]

Originally Posted by Searchfortruth

The problem, IMO, is not her sending someone to search or not so much, it's what she was putting forth publicly and to LE and then what she was doing in private.

Respectfully snipped for space.

Exactly! Why the two faces if there is nothing to hide?

I do understand that the grandparents are between a rock and a hard place. However, the truth doesn't choose sides.

[angeleleven]

Originally Posted by magic-cat

There was no choice of none of the above so I did not vote. I think they are not charging them because if they do so then the A's can plead the 5th when called to the witness stand and THAT is something that LE will not see happen-not even for well deserved charges against them all!

I agree with your post entirely. I didn't vote either, as none of the choices specified how I felt. None of the above would have been my choice also.

[KenoshaKid]

Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

I don't believe the A's have done anything that rises to the level of obstruction of justice. Justice has NOT been obstructed, Casey will be tried for murder.

If it could be proven that someone purposely deleted a bunch of files off of KC's computer so that LE didn't have access to them (not knowing that they could retrieve them anyway) would you consider that obstruction? Or no?
I'm no lawyer and have no clue just how cut and dried it has to be to be considered obstruction. I'll defer to you much more informed sleuths.

[amethyst221]

There are several hypothetical criminal charges that have been discussed a million times, even with the actual Florida statutes being cited. It isn't just obstruction of justice, but also aiding and abetting after the fact in a case involving a child (the law was purposefully changed so that close family members could be charged), lying to LE (a crime Casey is charged with) and perjury. They all have different elements, and it makes a difference. I think anything found in Casey's abandoned car smelling of death, every item, is potential evidence - it was a potential crime scene, or part of one, if a body was ever stored in the car. If something was altered or tampered with, cleaned or destroyed, it was, even if Casey was later charged with a crime anyway. That isn't the test, certainly not for every potential charge. It also doesn't excuse any and every activity because a criminal prosecution wasn't totally derailed.

[natsound]

Originally Posted by karenz

At the end the Dec LE interview with DC he talks about this and in the Dec 18 JH interview with LE he talks about how Cindy would give the tips out and tell them which direction to go in and LE questions why CA kept those tips from LE.

Hoover http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media...3/45412199.pdf


Dominic Casey http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0219/18750716.pdf

For more info see the dedicated threads on these 2 interviews.

In the links to the JH interview you posted, I don't see where CA sends them to that spot to look for a dead Caylee. I do see where she keeps giving police tips on live sightings, and Dominic too. Do you think CA received a "tip" about the spot? Dominic says he received a tip, I don't get the feeling it was from CA. And I just don't believe anything Dominic says in his interview!

[Chilly Willy]

Originally Posted by KenoshaKid

If it could be proven that someone purposely deleted a bunch of files off of KC's computer so that LE didn't have access to them (not knowing that they could retrieve them anyway) would you consider that obstruction? Or no?
I'm no lawyer and have no clue just how cut and dried it has to be to be considered obstruction. I'll defer to you much more informed sleuths.

I certainly would have questions about files being deleted by someone other than Casey prior to LE confiscating Casey's computer on 7/16, however, according to Tony, the computer was not working when Lee arrived at his apartment that evening.

[ecs5298]

Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

I certainly would have questions about files being deleted by someone other than Casey prior to LE confiscating Casey's computer on 7/16, however, according to Tony, the computer was not working when Lee arrived at his apartment that evening.

I'm not contradicting anything you posted Chilly. I'm just using your post as a vehicle to throw out this idea.

Having a little bit of knowledge about computers, just because Windows was showing a BSOD (Blue Screen of Death, yes it is an official term) doesn't mean there was no recoverable data on the disk. Actually quite opposite. When data is erased, it's really not erased. Windows just kind of loses the map to where it put the file (deletes the files entry in the allocation table). So the data is still there until it is over written. Windows will usually try and not overwrite data, if it has fresh sectors to write to. To totally cleanse a hard drive you need to use 3rd party utilities like a drive shredder (these utilities work by writing useless data across all sectors of the drive and then deleting all of them and then repeating the process about 3 times).

So, even if LA thought he was being super sneaky and corrupting Windows (like that's hard to do), LE computer forensics experts have utiliities to retrieve the data on the hard drive even if it was erased. I'm sure nothing on that laptop was lost.

Sorry for hijacking your post Chilly....

[Chilly Willy]

Originally Posted by ecs5298

I'm not contradicting anything you posted Chilly. I'm just using your post as a vehicle to throw out this idea.

Having a little bit of knowledge about computers, just because Windows was showing a BSOD (Blue Screen of Death, yes it is an official term) doesn't mean there was no recoverable data on the disk. Actually quite opposite. When data is erased, it's really not erased. Windows just kind of loses the map to where it put the file (deletes the files entry in the allocation table). So the data is still there until it is over written. Windows will usually try and not overwrite data, if it has fresh sectors to write to. To totally cleanse a hard drive you need to use 3rd party utilities like a drive shredder (these utilities work by writing useless data across all sectors of the drive and then deleting all of them and then repeating the process about 3 times).

So, even if LA thought he was being super sneaky and corrupting Windows (like that's hard to do), LE computer forensics experts have utiliities to retrieve the data on the hard drive even if it was erased. I'm sure nothing on that laptop was lost.

Sorry for hijacking your post Chilly....

Thanks, e, feel free to hijack anytime. It sounds to me like it was Casey who deleted files before Cindy picked her up at Tony's apartment. Something caused the BSOD before Lee arrived and picked up the computer. I don't think it was Lee who tried to be super sneaky, I think it was Casey.