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Old 05-11-2010, 01:42 AM
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Three new emails

Thanks to flourish and darnudes for transcribing the emails!

I finally found some of the old emails I knew I had saved somewhere. Linehan tended to use the email identity akmewell (an anagram for "make me well" perhaps?) and Leppink's email identity was TangoPI.

Here is an email in which Mechele is asking Kent for money and appears to be trying to get his bank routing numbers or something.

Here is an email in which Leppink apologizes to Mechele for not having enough money (or as much money as he may have tried to make her believe he had). The tone and content of this email also shows that Leppink very much believed he and Linehan were really going to be married-- that they were in love and that they would start a family, IMO. I can't square this email with the whole "gay sham marriage" narrative spun by the defense.


Here is an email Leppink sent to Carlin, explaining his feelings for Mechele and his desire to marry Mechele.

(If you open the image by clicking the link, you can click on the image to zoom in to make the print more legible.)
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Old 05-11-2010, 01:48 AM
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I'm going to quote/trascribe this email, which appears to be part of a bigger email and is unlabeled and undated, and can be found at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25877695/. It is part of a bigger article on msnbc, entitled "The Stripper and the Steel Worker," which "originally aired on Dateline NBC," and can be found here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25876168...rime_reports//.

The only changes I have made to the email is to hit "return" twice after each sentence or phrase (sometimes defined by John Carlin III's punctuation, other times by me, you can tell the difference by the presence or lack of punctuation, as I am not adding my own punctuation, just spacing). Additionally, I have not changed the spelling or grammar. I apologize in advance for any transcription errors on my part, if there are any.




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Here is the top portion of the email you transcribed. My version cuts off the end, but shows the opening paragraphs. I'm not as awesome as you are-- so I'm not transcribing it, but I thought people might like to have a look :-)
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Sorry about that, didn't know we couldn't link there. I do try and link where I am getting information from but I realise it is an opinion site. Does anyone know why we can't link to there?

Seychelles Letter transcribed

From Linehan to Carlin

“I have to say I am wondering what did he say when you said I was 2 1/2 hours away and he would have to come get me. Is he reading our mail? Did he leave with his pop? So they spent the night there, call me I have been up for about 2 hours. I am wide awake and my throat hurts still. It will go away soon. The mornings are always hard on me. I love you very much I miss you and I can’t wait to go on our getaway. Did you know that you could buy citisenship in the Saycheles for around 10 mill and no matter what crimes you have committed they will not extri. They are the only country that won’t send you back to the U.S. I found that out yesterday. I think I am going to walk to the library. It is down the road about 30 min and be back in 1 hour. I am not calling the house. I hope you like these long letters they are not easy. Have you given any thought to where you want to go?….Learn to dive maybe????..Cancun..Cabo…Anywhere
Love you”……………

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25877646/
Thanks for transcribing this! Also,
Here is an email Linehan sent Carlin the evening before the Seychelle's email was sent.
It's hard to understand what Linehan is talking about, but she says it would be a "good idea" to tell Leppink she wants to "meet him alone, maybe tomorrow night" and then says "oh that is if I can get that flight out tomorrow."
To me, this fills in some gaps between the Seychelles email and the Hope note and lends credence to the idea Mechele was complicit in luring Leppink to his demise. Why else would she try to get Leppink to meet with her alone when she really planned to be on a flight elsewhere??

(Note: All these emails I'm posting were at one point posted online to append various articles about Linehan's case. I saved them to my hard drive for reference, as I knew the articles were likely to be modified, archived or deleted. The emails to which I've linked were exhibits in either Carlin or Linehan's trials and most still show the official page numbers. These are public documents.)
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Old 05-11-2010, 02:18 AM
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Also, Mechele's mother briefly posted in the forums at PrisonTalk. Rolena alleged that Mechele received inadequate medical care in prison and Mechele's mother discusses this briefly and also alleges that Mechele was drugged against her will prior to sentencing.

"My daughter is in South Hiland Mountain Correctional Center in Eagle Mountain Alaska. SHe has a harrington rod in her spine from surgery as a child. She has also been on antidepressendants. They refuse to give her even an aspirin and have requested her medical records and xrays. They seem to keep "losing" these. Her husband is a doctor and has given to them several times. They also gave her a drug without her consent before transporting her for sentencing. I think the drug was thoraxine (?)* I believe there was a lawsuit which resulted in that being illegal. Can anyone help?"

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Here is the video of Mechele speaking at sentencing.

*I think Mechele's mother may be referring to Thorazine.
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Old 05-11-2010, 02:35 AM
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Now very interesting listening to John Carlin's interviews

Carlin talks about why he says he's innocent. First tape.

He says -you got the right plan but the wrong man. I ain't there

I've wondered before if this could be the case as he said Mechele ends up with the insurance money and Scott and what does John get? - No Mechele.

We know that Scott failed his poly but the police didn't seem overly concerned with that and add to this that the one and only person Mechele sees when she moves on to her new life is Scott, who she had an affair with when her poor husband is serving his country in Iraq.

Only problem with this is the gun evidence but I'm wondering if Mechele put the gun back after the murders and John was scared that his son had touched it so he cleaned it. This does make sense to me as it could be reasonable behaviour. What father wouldn't want to protect their child.

Read more: http://www.adn.com/2007/10/19/117335...#ixzz0nIO91Ofc
I think the you got the right plan but the wrong man. I ain't there quote was really interesting too!
I've also wondered if Carlin III washed the gun simply because he assumed it had been used in the murder, even if he himself didn't participate. It's very strange.

Also, I do remember reading in the ADN coverage that Mechele did have further interaction with both Carlins after she left Alaska. She left Alaska weeks after the murder and took Carlin IV with her. Carlin III met up with them later. And Carlin IV came and stayed with Mechele in Washington (2005) while her husband was deployed in Iraq.
Source: http://www.adn.com/2007/10/02/117382...nehan-saw.html
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So revealing

These emails are so revealing of the sick dynamics that existed between the parties: Leppink's hopeless infatuation with Mechele and her willingness to use it with such coldness (i.e. her demand for money).

I've been fascinated by the story because I believe she was complicit in his murder, but the legal 'clincher' seems to be missing. The details between his first visit to Hope and his murder days later are murky. I hope the prosecution can sort this out in the retrial.

Incidentally, this article:

http://www.adn.com/2009/04/11/756965...ct-carlin.html

presents some reasons why Carlin was killed in prison. One of the attackers claimed he was a 'racist bully', a 'snitch' and a 'rat'. It has occasionally been suggested that there was some conspiracy to silence Carlin, but it may have been nothing more than prison 'dynamics'. I recall reading elsewhere that Carlin's troubles started when he arbitrarily changed the channel when a group of inmates were watching TV.

Carlin, like Leppink, struck me as a man who was extremely inept in managing his life and probably had the same difficulties in navigating prison life.
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Welcome to Websleuths Marilhicks...

and thank you Nancy for the emails....they certainly are telling.

I fail to see how anyone can give Mechele any type of support after reading how this woman conversed back and forth with these men, all the while manipulating them in every possible way. The emails are telling in that they show her true nature as she continues to take advantage of anyone who comes within her path.

I truly am still amazed that her husband continues to support her.... after hearing her phoney reaction to Kent's death....and to ever utter that he should have been tortured first?? After reading these emails where she basically is extorting money from these men for her own greed?? How does this man not see her true character?? I just don't get it.

I still stand by my original perception of this woman's character, and to me she is nothing more than a manipulative ***** who clearly expected to monetarily gain from Kent's death. Oh how I wish I could have seen the look on her face when she learned that Kent had taken her name off as the life insurance beneficiary!

P.S. I also wonder to this day about Hilke, if he was just given a cursory "glance", cleared by LE, and then the prosecution latched onto Carlin as the shooter. He was the more obvious choice but it still seems like Hilke should have been looked at much more carefully. It seems that nobody involved in this love triangle is above suspicion.
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Thanks for the welcome!

Thank you for the welcome.

I was so impressed by Nancy's knowledge of the case. Aside from the documentaries, hard facts surrounding the case are hard to come by. I ordered the book by Fred Rosen, Deadly Angel, (hasn't arrived yet) hoping it might provide copies of the emails. I may be disappointed though - I have since read very negative reviews about the book.

I am also surprised by her husband's continued support, especially given testimony of her affairs during their marriage. But she seems to attach herself to men of a certain type - men who are willing to be used as doormats.
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Thank you for the welcome.

I was so impressed by Nancy's knowledge of the case. Aside from the documentaries, hard facts surrounding the case are hard to come by. I ordered the book by Fred Rosen, Deadly Angel, (hasn't arrived yet) hoping it might provide copies of the emails. I may be disappointed though - I have since read very negative reviews about the book.

I am also surprised by her husband's continued support, especially given testimony of her affairs during their marriage. But she seems to attach herself to men of a certain type - men who are willing to be used as doormats.
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Just a quickie as I'm at work on a break:

Out of boredom and lack of availability of other sources of information and/or entertainment, I downloaded the book on my amazon kindle this past weekend. The "author" cannot write well at all and I am surprised that he has several books published.

[Incidentally, after downloading this book, I saw the cover of on of his other books and realized that I had picked one up at a thrift store last year and couldn't make it through the first chapter.]

However, the book does offer some emails which I hadn't seen before. Because the author doesn't include footnotes or clear citation, it's difficult to tell where he got his information. I hesitate to post anything about the other emails until I have more information about them and their validity, etc.

Interesting note: The amazon reviews for the book are anything but stellar...however, the overall score is skewed due to the author writing a review of his own book and giving it 5 stars. Seriously. Oh, and the review wasn't all that well-written, either!
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Thank you for the welcome.

I was so impressed by Nancy's knowledge of the case. Aside from the documentaries, hard facts surrounding the case are hard to come by. I ordered the book by Fred Rosen, Deadly Angel, (hasn't arrived yet) hoping it might provide copies of the emails. I may be disappointed though - I have since read very negative reviews about the book.

I am also surprised by her husband's continued support, especially given testimony of her affairs during their marriage. But she seems to attach herself to men of a certain type - men who are willing to be used as doormats.
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I read the Fred Rosen book too. And, like Flourish, I found it very disappointing. I was SO excited I even downloaded it the day it was released haha. I'm bitter that Rosen burned a great case for other true crime writers out there to have taken up. grrr.

I can understand how you and Blondie in Spokane are perplexed by Dr. Linehan's support. That said, I'm going to go out on a perhaps awkward limb and say I think the man is a prince. I'm pretty convinced of Linehan's guilt, but there ARE major holes in the evidence and I can easily see how Mechele could have presented a sympathetic and believable story to make those around her believe in her innocence. I can't fault her husband for wanting to believe in his wife and the mother of his child. I think he believes she's 100% innocent (of murder) and accepts she was once guilty of being a less kindhearted and wholesome woman than the woman he sees her as today. He's written a few posts on the Free Mechele site.
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Welcome to Websleuths Marilhicks...

and thank you Nancy for the emails....they certainly are telling.

I fail to see how anyone can give Mechele any type of support after reading how this woman conversed back and forth with these men, all the while manipulating them in every possible way. The emails are telling in that they show her true nature as she continues to take advantage of anyone who comes within her path.

I truly am still amazed that her husband continues to support her.... after hearing her phoney reaction to Kent's death....and to ever utter that he should have been tortured first?? After reading these emails where she basically is extorting money from these men for her own greed?? How does this man not see her true character?? I just don't get it.

I still stand by my original perception of this woman's character, and to me she is nothing more than a manipulative ***** who clearly expected to monetarily gain from Kent's death. Oh how I wish I could have seen the look on her face when she learned that Kent had taken her name off as the life insurance beneficiary!

P.S. I also wonder to this day about Hilke, if he was just given a cursory "glance", cleared by LE, and then the prosecution latched onto Carlin as the shooter. He was the more obvious choice but it still seems like Hilke should have been looked at much more carefully. It seems that nobody involved in this love triangle is above suspicion.
I'm also curious about the Hilke connection. I wish there was more information about there about him!

And I am also fascinated by the stark contrast between the "two Mecheles."
I could understand if her supporters would acknowledge that she was once a pretty terrible person who manipulated others for her own gain, etc. but had since reformed and transformed. I think whitewashing her past makes the entire defense less credible.

Early in the case, the ADN published some interesting articles about Mechele's past. Interestingly, while rolena and other Mechele supporters constantly insist that Mechele stripped for a very brief period of time in Alaska, she actually stole her sister's ID when she ran away to NJ as a teen (where she worked as an exotic dancer, according to the prosecution) and she also worked as an exotic dancer when she returned to New Orleans after Leppink's murder. (She allegedly danced in at least two clubs on Bourbon Street and quit before marrying Dr. Linehan). (sources below)

The ADN companionate piece on Mechele's past:
ADN: Femme Fatale or PTA Mom?
ADN: Murder Suspect Became Cookie-baking Volunteer.
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you know i have wondered before if any studies have been done on effects of people's voices. i have seen so many times people with her voice tone have people attracted to them and wondered why. sorry that was a random thought.

my opinion though, she is sooooo guitly! i mean and her favorite video????in the interveiw, the 2 hr one, i seriously thought the interviewer was going to have to quit. i mean you could tell she wanted to smack her. just like me!

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Interesting note: The amazon reviews for the book are anything but stellar...however, the overall score is skewed due to the author writing a review of his own book and giving it 5 stars. Seriously. Oh, and the review wasn't all that well-written, either!
I saw that - what a hoot. I wish I could have graded my term papers or done my own job performance assessments.
I ordered my copy from abebooks.com - they have the book for a dollar used, and a couple of dollars new.
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I read the Fred Rosen book too. And, like Flourish, I found it very disappointing. I was SO excited I even downloaded it the day it was released haha. I'm bitter that Rosen burned a great case for other true crime writers out there to have taken up. grrr.

I can understand how you and Blondie in Spokane are perplexed by Dr. Linehan's support. That said, I'm going to go out on a perhaps awkward limb and say I think the man is a prince. I'm pretty convinced of Linehan's guilt, but there ARE major holes in the evidence and I can easily see how Mechele could have presented a sympathetic and believable story to make those around her believe in her innocence. I can't fault her husband for wanting to believe in his wife and the mother of his child. I think he believes she's 100% innocent (of murder) and accepts she was once guilty of being a less kindhearted and wholesome woman than the woman he sees her as today. He's written a few posts on the Free Mechele site.
He’s not only a prince, but a saint to be able to proclaim how wonderful she is in spite of her infidelities with a former lover (bringing her daughter along) and with a family friend. I see him as a one of her victims - bankrupted, a million in debt and cuckolded to boot. I also think he honestly believes she is innocent of the murder.

Thanks for the links. Here’s one I found interesting.

http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/archive...09&t=1703625-1

Highlights of the trial are presented (news reports) along with a transcript of the CBS documentary.

There’s not much new for those familiar with the case but there is a nugget here and there. For instance, the prosecutors wanted to put an unnamed woman on the stand who claimed to have seen Mechele and Carlin steal money from Leppink’s wallet while he was in the shower!
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He’s not only a prince, but a saint to be able to proclaim how wonderful she is in spite of her infidelities with a former lover (bringing her daughter along) and with a family friend. I see him as a one of her victims - bankrupted, a million in debt and cuckolded to boot. I also think he honestly believes she is innocent of the murder.

Thanks for the links. Here’s one I found interesting.

http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/archive...09&t=1703625-1

Highlights of the trial are presented (news reports) along with a transcript of the CBS documentary.

There’s not much new for those familiar with the case but there is a nugget here and there. For instance, the prosecutors wanted to put an unnamed woman on the stand who claimed to have seen Mechele and Carlin steal money from Leppink’s wallet while he was in the shower!
I hadn't seen that info -- thanks!!
Very interesting!
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Linehan is free

Linehan was released on bail late last night.
Apparently an unnamed benefactor from "the lower 48" donated the $25,000 necessary to pay the bail bondsman. I was sort of expecting some video coverage of her exiting the jail or something-- but apparently this happened with little fanfare.

ADN: Linehan Out On Bond
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For clarification

Since the only four posts of Rolena's which are left here are aimed at, or in response to, my postings, I'm going to respond. I am not arguing and am simply going to answer her inquiries in case anyone else was wondering the same things she was. Hope that makes sense.

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Yes, if she were dangerous or circumstances were different, probably all Alaskans would agree with you. The reasoning some have expressed in their local board posts though isn't quite that simple. It is a position a lot of people would argue with, but what I've read is that those who've included something like that in their arguments do so because there isn't enough evidence against her, there wasn't before and now there is even less, the state already spent God knows how much money on trying to get her and failed, so since she is no threat to Alaskans and doesn't even have any ties to here, it is more waste to pursue prosecuting her.
Again, I will repeat that it's not only my opinion, but also that of the SA, that there is sufficient evidence to re-try her. Her conviction was overturned, but the indictment still exists.

While the politics, law, and processes of Alaska's courts may be considered unfair by some, IMO a more appropriate venue for those arguments would be through the Alaska legislature process.

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What aspect of the "laptop" evidence is an issue for you? Can you explain in a little more detail what you've read that you find compelling about it?
I believe I was pretty clear about my concerns with the laptop, as I stated in my posts, here:

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Can you address the laptop computer issue? Why go to such pains to erase someone else's computer if you've nothing to hide or worry about?
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If my friend supposedly had himself killed, and I'm being questioned about it, I would probably want the cops to examine said friend's computer so they could find evidence about the assisted suicide. Destroying the computer seems counterintuitive for an innocent party, IMO.
Mechele seemed to go out of her way to ship Kent's laptop to her sister immediately after the murder, wanting the laptop wiped. I find that hinky to the nth degree.

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Are you not aware that Wikipedia is open to the public to write on and edit? Anyone can post an article and can make edits. That's why there is incorrect information in the article you refer to.

It isn't the gospel.
I am well aware of the strengths, weaknesses, and limitations of Wikipedia. Hence the additional link which was provided in my original post, but Rolena snipped it out when quoting my post when she posted the above question. Please see my original post, in its entirety, below:

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According to the pro-Mechele blog, which I'm trying to not click on but did anyway, this was a "female-related" issue and she's healing well.

I hope they don't offer a plea bargain...so far they've stated they're going back to trial...I don't know the specific laws about that who process anyway

Yeah, the sister thing is sooo disturbing. According to Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechele_Linehan

and this article:

http://www.ktuu.com/global/story.asp?s=7096234

the sister testified at Carlin's trial, then took off and hid in the Czech Republic until after Mechele's trial, when she was held in an Atlanta jail for a week.

Yeah, that doesn't really cast an innocent light on Mechele. At all. Not sure how anyone gets past this part.
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Mechele seemed to go out of her way to ship Kent's laptop to her sister immediately after the murder, wanting the laptop wiped. I find that hinky to the nth degree.

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I agree! If one just wanted to innocently wipe out their computer, wouldn't they just go to CompUSA or some other business which specializes in that sort of thing? I think it's odd Mechele busted all the way to Utah for some routine harddrive maintenance

Thanks for flushing out the info in your previous posts! Without rolena, it seems we're all essentially situated on the same side of the fence-- I wish we had a counterpoint to work from.

Also, FWIW, I think Mechele's sister conducted herself admirably throughout this process. Despite some popular media coverage to the contrary, she did cooperate with authorities and testify when property subpoenaed (at Carlin's trial). Her sister put her in a rather untenable situation, IMO.
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The ADN has updated their most recent story on Linehan's release and identified the benefactor who supplied the $25,000 necessary to secure bond. Brian Watt is a CFO from Pennsylvania. From the article:


Watt has never met the Linehans or been to Alaska, he said. He became interested in the case after watching a TV show about it. He then started researching it. "The narrative that was being told, in the media, on blogs, and reader commentary on the Internet, took on a life of its own. It appeared to me to be impossible for Mrs. Linehan to escape that pre-assembled story," he said.
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The prosecution's version of events outshined the truth both in the courtroom and outside it, Watt said.

"It was as if the Internet hyenas had gathered at the watering hole, and they were going to rip the flesh from her bones, no matter what she said or did," Watt said.


As I recall, Watt posts with some frequency in the comments on the Free Mechele site and other blogs which discuss the case.

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Thanks Nancy. I guess there is a sucker born every minute and Mechele seems to have a direct line to all of them. While I do think some things have been sensationalized, I also think there is more than adequate evidence of her participation in this murder. If they cut a deal with her and give her time served, I will have a cow.
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Thanks Nancy. I guess there is a sucker born every minute and Mechele seems to have a direct line to all of them. While I do think some things have been sensationalized, I also think there is more than adequate evidence of her participation in this murder. If they cut a deal with her and give her time served, I will have a cow.
lol! have a cow! I haven't heard that one in ages :-) love it.

I've thought about the prospect of a deal too. If she got off with time served that would be FAR too lenient, IMO. I think I remember reading that she was initially offered a 12 year deal but opted instead to go to trial. I can't remember where I read that though, so this might not be true.

I hope the State takes it to trial. I think she's guilty (of 1st degree murder, I'm not entirely certain), but I would like a chance to see this play out at trial. I hope the retrial is televised-- I wonder if that's a possibility.

The internet has been AFIRE with various pro-guilt verdict commenters who have purported to know Linehan or have interactions with her in jail etc. If there's any veracity to their statements, I hope the prosecution is investigating new potential witnesses and will bring them out at the retrial.
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Brief video accompanying KTUU story contains soundbites from various players regarding bail issue. Notably, Linehan's current bail bondsman inadvertently likens Linehan to Charles Manson. That probably didn't go over well.
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I agree! If one just wanted to innocently wipe out their computer, wouldn't they just go to CompUSA or some other business which specializes in that sort of thing? I think it's odd Mechele busted all the way to Utah for some routine harddrive maintenance

Thanks for flushing out the info in your previous posts! Without rolena, it seems we're all essentially situated on the same side of the fence-- I wish we had a counterpoint to work from.
That's because logic forces one in the direction of her possible guilt. I suspended judgment until I read everything available on the case. Mechele's supporters are unimpressive in their lack of substantive arguments for her innocence - just vague statements of support or positing the incredible suggestion that Leppink had himself killed. I thought Rolena's comments were the first I'd seen that presented a logical argument for the other side. However, I wasn't able to digest her posts before they were pulled.

Because of the notoriety the case has received since the first trial, there has been time for hard positions to be developed on both sides. I think this will have an effect on the retrial (if it takes place).
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