Video of KC and Baez Crying together to be released UPDATE BAEZ THREATENS TO SUE

[lin]

Originally Posted by ablins

Good Point. You are so right. I hadn't actually stopped to think about other reactions as well-----makes you wonder who all knew?! As for LP, if I were searching for a missing person , bones are bones, and that could not be comforting ever, no matter what!

She's got a habit of that. Being so right, I mean. Once again, sitting there in her rightness being right!

[amethyst221]

With all due respect, I think you have to do more stretching to treat the two incidents as apples and oranges than to see them as comparable. I recall it was big news, at least for a while, the day divers supposedly found bones at JBP. It was covered a lot, despite the involvement of LP and how different people feel about him, because LE and the A's rushed to the scene. They were downright angry, and seemed adamant there could be nothing there. Given that by then, Casey had apparently told her family the "new" story about the snatching of Caylee in that very park, it seems telling. Casey had gone out of her way to inject the park into her story -- playing there, lost phone, finally, kidnapping there. It seems very strange to be certain nothing of significance could be found there.

[countzero]

I just want to see in this tape if JB had a box of tissues for KC or did KC use her thumb to wipe the "tears" away or did she use JB's clothing?

[concentric]

Originally Posted by countzero

I just want to see in this tape if JB had a box of tissues for KC or did KC use her thumb to wipe the "tears" away or did she use JB's clothing?

I was wondering that too--and what part of the clothing was it, if so?

[MAMABEAR]

Well, HMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!
I have been wondering since this is right after the TV and nurses station event that JB was in the jail waiting to see KC. They went to the "class room" where KC was giving JB a lesson in "THROWING A FIT". Throwing a fit about her baby being found would not look good for her.

This is the only thang I can figure out that might be worse than and "hands on treatment". She wasn't possed to know that the skull belonged to Caylee and I can just see her--------shaking her fist and throwin her self around and JB trying to calm her down.

I can hear him saying------"You have to calm down because we are on camera"
her--"who gives a crap, do you know what this means?"
him--"yes, I know what this means and you need to calm down"

I don't need to hear the words they are saying, actions speak louder than words. Dang, sure wished I could read lips.

[rice09]

I'm hoping there is also a video of someone telling KC that the remains were positively identified as her daughters. To see all three videos would be something. I think she will show more crying, and "sadness" in the Dec 11th video, when she learned she was screwed! I bet when she found out for sure it was caylee, there will be far less emotions! She already knew that!

[Rachelle-Marie]

Originally Posted by lawlady84

I agree, as it pertains to the witnesses. Amy could be fired from many jobs based on what they released about her in the document dumps- many companies have a no-drug policy. Its very damaging without any real benefit.

Perhaps they could release the text of things but not names attached - but there's no way "sleuths" like us and the media wouldn't figure it out.

Other states have no sunshine laws, and they all are fine. I just learned that the federal version - the freedom of information act - allows 3rd parties to enjoin the release of personal information. The Supreme Court said the law is supposed to be about proper functioning of GOVERNMENT, not private parties. Hopefully the states will move towards that type of law- under that, things like the tips and LE's follow up would be released (to show that OCSO and the SA are doing their jobs), but not personal information like GAs suicide note. (How does that shine sunshine onto the working of government??) oy

I agree with the Sunshine Laws in FL
If the company that Amy works for has a no-drug policy and she is in violation then she should be fired regardless of any other circumstances...

it just serves as a reminder that people need to think twice about the bad choices they make!

[weasel]

Originally Posted by suspicious mind

I think the important thing to remember is that Caylee's body had not been identified. They had just found a child's remains in the woods.

You're right. What I wonder about is what exactly did they tell her was found? Thinking back to her alleged reaction to Padilla's river search when she was said to have went back to her cell with no reaction, evidently being informed that something was found in this location incited a severe reaction this time.

[Chat Noir]

Why in the heck would JB be crying???? I don't get it.....

[sharpar]

Originally Posted by suepitzl

i can not believe that all you sleuthers dont get it, it is a ploy.........THEY, KC AND BAEZ WANT US TO CRITICIZE THEM

Yeppers - any chance to whine is a good day for defense !

[nyvictoria]

Originally Posted by Linda7NJ

Unless we can find a LIP READER!!!

Wanna bet LE has one?

[*lore621*]

Originally Posted by tehcloser

I got here late....let me just say this,

If Casey is innocent, I will share a red twizzler with Baez, whilst naked - sitting on a windmill - live on NG......the ONLY pain Casey feels is for herself.

Hey, if she's innocent, I'll sit right up there with ya.

[trafficsUP66]

Originally Posted by Chat Noir

Why in the heck would JB be crying???? I don't get it.....

I can't find the link but remember back when she got indicted and the 2 minute hearing for her plea?

He looked more upset....... actually devastated than she did in that courtroom!
His face was all red and his eyes watery. She just stood next to him with the same blank stare as when she was arrested for the very first time. (When the judge told her she was a stranger to the truth!)

At the time it struck me as so odd........ even my DH noticed and commented about how totally upset her lawyer was compared to her!

[believe09]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...0,937095.story

The Sentinel did a story on the contents of the video as well-the story indicates that Baez was wiping tears from his face and Anthony was visibly angry and unwilling to look at him.

[trafficsUP66]

Originally Posted by believe09

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...0,937095.story

The Sentinel did a story on the contents of the video as well-the story indicates that Baez was wiping tears from his face and Anthony was visibly angry and unwilling to look at him.

WTH? Lover's quarrel???

What in God's name is going on here?

This just don't seem right to me that a lawyer is this emotionally enmeshed with his client!

I'm dumbfounded.

Something is quite WRONG here.

[tehcloser]

The Orlando Sentinel has learned Casey Anthony's attorney appeared to cry and wipe his eyes while meeting with her on Dec. 11 at the jail - the day the remains of a small child were found near the Anthony home.

The remains were later identified as those of Anthony's missing daughter, 2-year-old Caylee Marie Anthony.

Casey Anthony, however, seemed angry and had her arms crossed and looked away during the meeting, a source told the Sentinel.

The Orange County Sheriff's Office acknowledged a video tape exists.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...0,937095.story

Ya just can't make things like this up......

[Themis]

Originally Posted by nancy botwin

I think Baez may have filed this motion for sanctions because he was taking a lead from a recent case in Broward County where prosecutors were actually removed from the proceedings.

A Broward County judge has halted a first-degree murder trial and ruled that two prosecutors engaged in prosecutorial misconduct by listening to taped jailhouse phone conversations between a murder defendant and his attorney... Miami Herald 1-6-09

In Martinez, the Broward County Case, the defense successfully argued that misconduct occurred when the prosecutors listened to the jail's intercepted recordings of conversations between defendant and his attorney:

“Under the facts of the case at bar the question then arises as to whether the defendant's use of the only telephone available to him while in custody could constitute a voluntary waiver of that privilege....

Does the agreement to recording of an attorney-client discussion rise to the level of a knowing and voluntary waiver of the privilege of the contents of the discussion under these facts? Must a defendant who remains in custody choose between waiving attorney-client privilege by using the only telephones available to him or not having any telephone communication with his lawyer? The answer to both these questions must be a resounding "no." Order in FL v. Martinez case discussed above.

The Martinez case seems different because the inmate/defendant had no alternative or "safe" phone line to use for atty-client communication. I think Baez could only hope to achieve a similar outcome if OCSD provided no secured areas where he and his client could communicate confidential information privately.



I think you're right!

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my random thoughts:

I’m assuming this taped interaction between Casey and JB occurred in a public area or an area outside of the area designated for the private meetings between attorney and client. If so, case law in FL indicates the interaction would not be privileged:

“...defendant communicated with his lawyer in a prison cell where the defendant knew another inmate would overhear. The Florida Supreme Court concluded that the fact that the defendant knew his conversation would be overheard contradicted his contention that the conversation was confidential. The court held that because the defendant failed to take advantage of the jail’s private facilities for such meetings, he waived the privilege....” (Mobley v.FL, 1982)

It seems like JB files baby-step motions— filing the wrong motion in hopes of ultimately achieving an outcome best achieved with another motion. I don’t know if he does this out of ignorance or to make things seem more dramatic.

Most importantly, Baez is the only person talking about this alleged tape. So we don’t know if prosecutors have even viewed the tape. It seems like Baez is also taking a lead from Casey and imagining that the proceedings are innately personal-- The SA is “mad at Casey” because she refused to take an alleged plea deal. Baez is miffed because the State is seeking disclosure about fee arrangements and media deals— he takes it personally and decides to levy this oddly personal motion, attacking the SA for the conduct of OCSD.

IMO if the prosecution actually has this alleged tape, they’ll deal with it appropriately. If it seems to have been inadvertently or deliberately recorded in violation of attorney-client privilege, they probably won’t watch it and/or use it as evidence.

I think this is just another case of Baez talking about and publicizing issues he purportedly doesn't want within the public purview. I guess this is why the defense needed Todd Black??

Excellent. Thank you for the update on recent caselaw in Florida. On an allegation of prosecutorial misconduct, wouldn't the complaint first have to be processed by a complaint to the elected States' Attorney and give notice to the Attorney General. Just had a matter that required notice to the Attorney General, which was not done. Then the investigation. Also, there is no showing that JB requested different accomodations -- room with no camera -- or that such a need to make a request was considered in the January 2009 case.
Agree with your analysis and thanks again for reporting the current state of the law. Sounds like this area of the law is going to take off with its evolution. If I were advising a County Sheriff in Florida, I would advise to set up attorney-client meeting area without cameras or microphones, but have attorneys sign waivers regarding security issues. Also place hot buttons in the rooms to call for help.

[tehcloser]

She was mad because they did not get the body moved.........

[Chat Noir]

Originally Posted by trafficsUP66

I can't find the link but remember back when she got indicted and the 2 minute hearing for her plea?

He looked more upset....... actually devastated than she did in that courtroom!
His face was all red and his eyes watery. She just stood next to him with the same blank stare as when she was arrested for the very first time. (When the judge told her she was a stranger to the truth!)

At the time it struck me as so odd........ even my DH noticed and commented about how totally upset her lawyer was compared to her!

It doesn't sound very professional to me for him to cry either in court that day or on Dec 11th. Do attorneys really get that emotional???

[Recovering-Lurker]

Originally Posted by trafficsUP66

WTH? Lover's quarrel???

What in God's name is going on here?

This just don't seem right to me that a lawyer is this emotionally enmeshed with his client!

I'm dumbfounded.

Something is quite WRONG here.

Very strange behavior, I agree.

[amethyst221]

That's interesting, if true. Maybe, once she was sedated, she was just angry that her reaction was observed, or that Caylee was found, and read JB the riot act and made him cry. Baez gave an interview outside the jail that day, expressing his anger that he wasn't called and allowed to be the one to deliver the news to his client, even though that is not jail procedure.

[Chat Noir]

JB does not have any history with KC prior to this case, correct? They have a very strange relationship IMO.......

[Paintr]

Originally Posted by tehcloser

The Orlando Sentinel has learned Casey Anthony's attorney appeared to cry and wipe his eyes while meeting with her on Dec. 11 at the jail - the day the remains of a small child were found near the Anthony home.

The remains were later identified as those of Anthony's missing daughter, 2-year-old Caylee Marie Anthony.

Casey Anthony, however, seemed angry and had her arms crossed and looked away during the meeting, a source told the Sentinel.

The Orange County Sheriff's Office acknowledged a video tape exists.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...0,937095.story

Ya just can't make things like this up......

She was angry cause JB brought the black licorice. If he really loved her, he'd remember that she only liked the red ones. Bad JB!

OK! I was only kidding. I'll go sit in the corner now! LOL!

[Themis]

I just have one comment regarding JB's tears and the indication that this is unprofessional. Sometimes, professionals get so exhausted their emotional control is weakened. Trial work, pretrial, trial and post-trial appeal assessment is draining. It leaves a person physically, emotionally and mentally exhausted. He should have excused himself to step back and get a grip, but being in the jail, off territory that he could control, probably made that seem difficult to do. He is still fairly new to the experience of being a trial attorney. This kind of ability to recognize what is happening in the midst of the heat of handling the current crises in the case comes with experience and builds through decades of experience. I'm not so critical of the tears without knowing more of the backdrop of the circumstances and the conversation -- which we will not know because that is privileged.

[Roze]

Originally Posted by Themis

I just have one comment regarding JB's tears and the indication that this is unprofessional. Sometimes, professionals get so exhausted their emotional control is weakened. Trial work, pretrial, trial and post-trial appeal assessment is draining. It leaves a person physically, emotionally and mentally exhausted. He should have excused himself to step back and get a grip, but being in the jail, off territory that he could control, probably made that seem difficult to do. He is still fairly new to the experience of being a trial attorney. This kind of ability to recognize what is happening in the midst of the heat of handling the current crises in the case comes with experience and builds through decades of experience. I'm not so critical of the tears without knowing more of the backdrop of the circumstances and the conversation -- which we will not know because that is privileged.

ITA. Couple that with the fact that a child's remains had been discovered, and they belonged to your client. He could have believed KC's story and thought Caylee was alive. Anyone would feel compassion and sadness -- on the discovery of the remains alone.