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Sandra Cantu Missing from her home in Tracy, CA., body recovered in a nearby irrigation pond.


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Old 04-08-2009, 10:21 PM
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Which POI do you suspect and why? My money's on Lawless because of the church being declared an active crime scene and that his mobile home was at the front of the park where Sandra was headed...
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Old 04-08-2009, 10:26 PM
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You are so right! I forgot she was headed that way...just his mannerisms when the reporter was talking to his wife kinda creeped me out.
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Old 04-08-2009, 10:26 PM
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I also voted for Lawless, because of the church searching, the luggage story that's hinky, the location of their home in the direction Sandra turned, how the wife said Sandra was "abused," and a few others I can't remember. Each one might not be enough for me to focus on Lawless, but everything together.
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I also voted for Lawless, because of the church searching, the luggage story that's hinky, the location of their home in the direction Sandra turned, how the wife said Sandra was "abused," and a few others I can't remember. Each one might not be enough for me to focus on Lawless, but everything together.
Me too, but I'm just not settled on him. Something is off for me, possibly another member of the family? IMOO.
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Old 04-08-2009, 10:35 PM
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The pastor, because of the way Sgt. Sheneman immediately answered a question at yesterday's presser by saying the pastor was interviewed soon after the luggage was unsealed. It was the fastest I've ever seen him respond, other than to say he couldn't comment or answer something. He seemed to jump at the question.
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I voted for Lawless, although before he came into the picture I was leaning heavily towards Slayter and his son....

The change to Lawless for me is the luggage story...how convenient if that is true....

I've also considered the Tracy60....which could very easily, imo, include Slayter, Wohler, Lawless, and Sinclair.....this thing could really blow up to be bigger than we can imagine...jmo of course

all of the POI are sick, creepy dudes and I personally think each of them needs to be watched very, very carefully for the rest of their lives.....moo
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Old 04-08-2009, 10:37 PM
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I also voted for Lawless, because of the church searching, the luggage story that's hinky, the location of their home in the direction Sandra turned, how the wife said Sandra was "abused," and a few others I can't remember. Each one might not be enough for me to focus on Lawless, but everything together.
yes and they did not seem broken up about this, but claim she is like family to them. I am wondering if we will find out Sandra was 'tortured'........(abused)
I honestly for some reason think 2 people are involved........IMOO
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The pastor, because of the way Sgt. Sheneman immediately answered a question at yesterday's presser by saying the pastor was interviewed soon after the luggage was unsealed. It was the fastest I've ever seen him respond, other than to say he couldn't comment or answer something. He seemed to jump at the question.
The sergeant also said he wasn't a suspect/arrested YET. Makes me think he will be.
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The sergeant also said he wasn't a suspect/arrested YET. Makes me think he will be.
Yes, and at, I think, a later presser--maybe the same one--he used the word "pastor" several times, as if he were trying to impress on listeners that this was their suspect--while at the same time denying he'd been arrested or settled upon as the suspect.
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You are so right! I forgot she was headed that way...just his mannerisms when the reporter was talking to his wife kinda creeped me out.
Hi Frankie, I agree with your suspect and your reason. Their manner when being questioned by the reporter just didn't seem appropriate. Mr. L even looked away, and Ms. was too talkative, giving more info that needed, seemed nervous or anxious. They both seemed creepy!

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Not just one, in the end... they "team"

Actually Wohler AND one of the Pastor's "decendents" plus the Pastor at some point, are my three initial votes.

So, it isn't just one involved in this.

I think they ALL had a role in helping the final act of Sandra's murder to take place. No pedo actor acts alone. But Pedo Park also played a HUGE role.

IMO Sandra was desensitized to thinking bad touch was actually not "that bad" because Wohler wasn't kicked out of the park, because LE did nothing back then. So even though that was "bad touch", her natural instincts were tampered with. "Oh he was just being friendly". Meaning Wohler's acts were OK by the regulating community. He got to drive by her house up and down her street after that. As much as he wanted it appears.

SO as far as I am concerned, guilty of this final heinous act or not, Wohler DID play a role. SO if/when her instincts kicked in again in the future, perhpas Friday at 4:05pm, if they did, she would likely not have kicked and run.

So now the community wants to know what to do. NOW they ask? What Pedo Park AND Tracy PD could have done was set a policy of ZERO TOLERANCE TO ANY PEDO ACT.

Too little, too late. But it can be fixed.

PS How was the bag weighted down in the water?
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Me too, but I'm just not settled on him. Something is off for me, possibly another member of the family? IMOO.
I agree. Nothing about his 'tenant' that I have seen here yet but still reading. Tenants- or boarders initials are PM.
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Old 04-08-2009, 11:22 PM
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Hi Frankie, I agree with your suspect and your reason. Their manner when being questioned by the reporter just didn't seem appropriate. Mr. L even looked away, and Ms. was too talkative, giving more info that needed, seemed nervous or anxious. They both seemed creepy!
Hi right back at ya Nonni! and yea it really did seem like they were nervous
or suspicious. I'm thinking if he did something his wife knows it!
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Hi right back at ya Nonni! and yea it really did seem like they were nervous
or suspicious. I'm thinking if he did something his wife knows it!
Perhaps, but never underestimate the weird-out effect of having microphones thrust at you and reporters hurling questions when you've never been in a similar situation before.
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Old 04-08-2009, 11:30 PM
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true true wow so much stuff that we dont know right can't wait till this is figured out, i think LE has it down though.
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I just cannot vote, chances are only one person (may not even be one listed) is guilty while the others are being dragged........
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I just cannot vote, chances are only one person (may not even be one listed) is guilty while the others are being dragged........
I felt the same and I voted anyway. Now I feel a bit guilty. I know everyone thinks they are nervous, but I would be too if I was drug out of bed, taken to the police and questioned for hours. Then I come home and reporters are there. Exhausted, confused, scared? Innocent or guilty they would be my emotions, I think they would be for most people.

(And no, I have never been questioned, and I haven't committed any crimes, but I know I would feel all those things!)
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Actually Wohler AND one of the Pastor's "decendents" plus the Pastor at some point, are my three initial votes.

So, it isn't just one involved in this.

I think they ALL had a role in helping the final act of Sandra's murder to take place. No pedo actor acts alone. But Pedo Park also played a HUGE role.

IMO Sandra was desensitized to thinking bad touch was actually not "that bad" because Wohler wasn't kicked out of the park, because LE did nothing back then. So even though that was "bad touch", her natural instincts were tampered with. "Oh he was just being friendly". Meaning Wohler's acts were OK by the regulating community. He got to drive by her house up and down her street after that. As much as he wanted it appears.

SO as far as I am concerned, guilty of this final heinous act or not, Wohler DID play a role. SO if/when her instincts kicked in again in the future, perhpas Friday at 4:05pm, if they did, she would likely not have kicked and run.

So now the community wants to know what to do. NOW they ask? What Pedo Park AND Tracy PD could have done was set a policy of ZERO TOLERANCE TO ANY PEDO ACT.

Too little, too late. But it can be fixed.

PS How was the bag weighted down in the water?
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I also voted for Lawless, because of the church searching, the luggage story that's hinky, the location of their home in the direction Sandra turned, how the wife said Sandra was "abused," and a few others I can't remember. Each one might not be enough for me to focus on Lawless, but everything together.
how about his smiling when the reporters asked him a question. also the fact that he repeated back the question to the reporter about his involvement. If these people tun out to be innocent than so be it. this is all for Sandra and whatever it takes to get her justice.
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Sorry, but Lawless. For more than one reason, but specifically the one stated by me on the Lawless thread. Hink-o-meter is stinky on that one. Yes, there are RSOs and sick mofos who kiss girls in the neighborhood, but.... I'm stuck on Lawless. I may be wrong, but that's who I'm sleuthing now...
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Sorry, but Lawless. For more than one reason, but specifically the one stated by me on the Lawless thread. Hink-o-meter is stinky on that one. Yes, there are RSOs and sick mofos who kiss girls in the neighborhood, but.... I'm stuck on Lawless. I may be wrong, but that's who I'm sleuthing now...
Best thing about your answer: how you've phrased it!

And I agree.
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I did not vote in the poll, mainly because I am looking at specific people connected to LL.

I'd like more information on P. Martinez, whose name is connected to LL in the veromi database.

By the way, the P in those aliases stands for Pastor. It comes up here and there in various people searches. I don't think this is too many aliases at all. There is nothing there except all three names in various forms.

What interests me is the lack of info before the day he married, the same day he got saved.

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I voted for Lawless, although before he came into the picture I was leaning heavily towards Slayter and his son....

The change to Lawless for me is the luggage story...how convenient if that is true....

I've also considered the Tracy60....which could very easily, imo, include Slayter, Wohler, Lawless, and Sinclair.....this thing could really blow up to be bigger than we can imagine...jmo of course

all of the POI are sick, creepy dudes and I personally think each of them needs to be watched very, very carefully for the rest of their lives.....moo
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yes and they did not seem broken up about this, but claim she is like family to them. I am wondering if we will find out Sandra was 'tortured'........(abused)
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Hi Frankie, I agree with your suspect and your reason. Their manner when being questioned by the reporter just didn't seem appropriate. Mr. L even looked away, and Ms. was too talkative, giving more info that needed, seemed nervous or anxious. They both seemed creepy!
Gosh , I've never thought of this till reading your posts, but what if the wife was the photographer and knows all about everything. I hope it is OK to post this as it is an unGodly thought. If anyone wants me to delete this sentence I will. A possibility, as is everything right now.
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I am going with Pastor Lawless...the suitcase, the church as possible crime scene, the gdaughter's car being searched. I think that the Pastor became obsessed with Sandra when she came to visit and play the grt grandchild. I think Sandra felt comfortable in the house and with the family. I think she would have willingly gone with Pastor Lawless.
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I am going with Pastor Lawless...the suitcase, the church as possible crime scene, the gdaughter's car being searched. I think that the Pastor became obsessed with Sandra when she came to visit and play the grt grandchild. I think Sandra felt comfortable in the house and with the family. I think she would have willingly gone with Pastor Lawless.
I saw that on the 10:00 news tonight about Lawless's g-daughter's car being searched, but I couldn't find it in any print articles...
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