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Old 04-11-2009, 10:15 PM
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Just a comment from something I was told by a family member which I haven't heard reported yet. Huckaby texted Sandras Mom after Sandra disappeared to tell her about the missing luggage, the text message was turned over to Tracy PD

~RUMOR~
If this rumor proves to be accurate, it is a cruel and indescribable torture that only MH knew to be torture at the time.

This one particular rumor, is one that I find to be absolutely stomach churning cruel. Imagine~ she has murdered Sandra, she stuffed her in a suitcase, took her out to a retention pond and dumped her~ then she texted Sandra's mother offering a tip? Letting her know that she too was a victim of crime that evening? Good Lord~ if this is true, this woman is diabolical.
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Very Sad--She was killed soon after she went there...

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Family of Sandra Cantu will be on Geraldo later in the hour. Also less than 5% of child kidnapping/murders are committed by a woman.
Detective says she was killed between 4 and 8 p.m. on the day she disappeared.
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the case developments have deff. take a different course than what i expected. i am for a loss on words except for how can a mother do this to a playmate of her own child????? is her child evil and did something that she is covering for? i just don't know. either the parent is evil or the child did something that the mother is trying to cover for. i can't see sexual abuse unless the mother's child is interviewed and something come out of that.
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Commisioner says there has to be a confession because they know when she was killed.
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Did I miss that she was not home for four hours before her Mom missed her???? 8 o'clock???
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Cops: MH has had mental health issues for some time. Speculating on motive: she might have snapped.
The cops are speculating?

She tried to claim mental illness on one of her prior offenses and was evaluated and they determined that she was fit to stand trial.

So she may have issues but imo they will not rise to the level she needs according to criminal judicial standards.

Sociopaths and even schizophrenics are sent to prison all the time.

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Old 04-11-2009, 10:22 PM
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What if Sandra saw something happening at the Huckaby's house as she was skipping home and she went over to investigate/help. Maybe it involved her friend MH's daughter. I know all speculation here but the way she turns in the video and we now know that is shortly before she was killed is eerie.
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Old 04-11-2009, 10:24 PM
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The cops are speculating?

She tried to claim mental illness on one of her prior offenses and was evaluated and they determined that she was fit to stand trial.

So she may have issues but imo they will not rise to the level she needs according to criminal judicial standards.

Sociopaths and even schizophrenics are sent to prison all the time.

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ITA The fact that she was trying to create a story about the suitcase missing in case it was found shows that she knew what she did was wrong, therefore not legally insane.
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The Sgt. also said they know where she was murdered.

I think they found the original crime scene and it was at the church.

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I misspoke

Geraldo asked the female cop if MH might have snapped and it might have been accidental...cop said it's possible.

You'll have to read the transcript.

Geraldo asked if there's a confession--they said they couldn't discuss it--but did say the child died sometime betw. 4-8 pm that day.

How else could they know this without a confession?

I was a little taken aback by how freely these cops were speaking about the case.

They should be a little more discreet. I suppose they have reason to believe MH will plead guilty and there will not be a trial.
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Did I miss that she was not home for four hours before her Mom missed her???? 8 o'clock???
She was not home for four hours before reported missing to LE. I don't mind saying now I have been really stewing about this part especially since she was dead before she was ever reported missing.
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Did I miss that she was not home for four hours before her Mom missed her???? 8 o'clock???
I would think they looked high and low for her before calling police. They had no way of knowing that a monster had Sandra and had killed her most likely right after she was kidnapped around 4 pm. The maintenance worker for the MHP that had lived there for 15 years said that park was like a family and kids ran around playing all the time.

I think she talked Sandra into riding with her to the church and she trusted her and went with her.

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Old 04-11-2009, 10:34 PM
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I don't think BB12 is online right now Tomsgirl. BB12 also has blog she writes and posts to her myspace which I also read from time to time. I haven't followed her work yet on Sandra, I've been reading here exclusively. I followed her work on Caylee and she works very hard and has a lot of good sources. Her blog can be found by her user name here (same on myspace) and it's an excellent read~ always.
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She was not home for four hours before reported missing to LE. I don't mind saying now I have been really stewing about this part especially since she was dead before she was ever reported missing.
My two sons were gone for about that long this afternoon playing with friends in our subdivision. I knew where they were or at least thought I did, but when I went to check on them they weren't where they were suppose to be. I found them playing basketball at another friends house. I am so thankful something didn't happen to them.

Sandra's mom probably thought she knew where her daughter was and unfortunately something horrible happened.
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I would think they looked high and low for her before calling police. They had no way of knowing that a monster had Sandra and had killed her most likely right after she was kidnapped around 4 pm. The maintenance worker for the MHP that had lived there for 15 years said that park was like a family and kids ran around playing all the time.

I think she talked Sandra into riding with her to the church and she trusted her and went with her.

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It looks like MH had this all planned out.
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I would think they looked high and low for her before calling police. They had no way of knowing that a monster had Sandra and had killed her most likely right after she was kidnapped around 4 pm. The maintenance worker for the MHP that had lived there for 15 years said that park was like a family and kids ran around playing all the time.

I think she talked Sandra into riding with her to the church and she trusted her and went with her.

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I wonder since the church is so close, did Sandra hear everyone calling her name while trapped by MH???

How long was MH away from home? Sandra's sister was babysitting MH daughter. Connie was suppose to be home also, was she really?
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It looks like MH had this all planned out.
Chilling isn't it?

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She was tortured to death by Gertrude Baniszewski.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Likens

Thank you for the link, it's , pretty horrifying to know that people like this exist, although I know they do...

But still, that was a more of a group mentality thing, rather than a sole perp, and Sylvia's father gave her and her sister to this family to care for, so Gertrude didn't kidnap her to sexually molest/murder her, she just seemed to enjoy torturing her in general..shudders

I don't doubt that evil, hateful women who are capable of killing children exist, I know they do, unfortuntately

I am just curious if ever before a woman has kidnapped a non-related pre-teenaged child with the intent to molest and murder, and did it completely alone and for her own benefit.

I don't even doubt that has happened, I'm guess I'm just trying to decide for myself what the chances are this was sexually motivated, if indeed she acted alone..
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My two sons were gone for about that long this afternoon playing with friends in our subdivision. I knew where they were or at least thought I did, but when I went to check on them they weren't where they were suppose to be. I found them playing basketball at another friends house. I am so thankful something didn't happen to them.

Sandra's mom probably thought she knew where her daughter was and unfortunately something horrible happened.
Ditto here. My girls 9 and 11, go to my neighbors house to play for hours. I trust they are with her. When her granddaughter is over here, she trusts they are with us. I live in the country, I can't imagine keeping track of them if I lived in the city like I did when my older kids were little.
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I wonder since the church is so close, did Sandra hear everyone calling her name while trapped by MH???

How long was MH away from home? Sandra's sister was babysitting MH daughter. Connie was suppose to be home also, was she really?
I just read this elsewhere on Websleuths:

"Now the FBI are on roof looking for transmitter of
webcam for possible live porn"

Is this why MH took Sandra to the church? At a time when no one else was there? And left her daughter, supposedly Sandra's playmate, at home?

This is going to get very ugly. I get bad vibes from the minister, MH's grandpa. He had the look of a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar on that videotape referenced below.
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I wonder since the church is so close, did Sandra hear everyone calling her name while trapped by MH???

How long was MH away from home? Sandra's sister was babysitting MH daughter. Connie was suppose to be home also, was she really?

I never really knew for certain if Sandra's sister stayed. I know MH said she asked her to babysit. Can you imagine asking the sister to stay there knowing she was going to go to that church to murder Sandra? It is just unbelievable how all this is playing out. It reeks of such twisted evil to me. How in the world could anyone be that cold?

I don't know if she heard anyone. I wish that this had never happened to this precious child but I hope Sandra went quickly and passed on to a much better place. My mind just cant take thinking she suffered for a long time.

I know she had to be so fearful and not understanding what and why this was happening to her. God bless her.

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I never really knew for certain if Sandra's sister stayed. I know MH said she asked her to babysit. Can you imagine asking the sister to stay there knowing she was going to go to that church to murder Sandra? It is just unbelievable how all this is playing out. It reeks of such twisted evil to me. How in the world could anyone be that cold?

I snipped your post for space oceanblueeyes, I hope you don't mind.

This falls in line with what I speculated upwards in this thread about the rumor that MH texted Sandra's Mother about stolen luggage.

Then we have the rumor that the note was found not at MH's home but Sandra's home (it was posted way back on some thread, since MH arrest)

Then you brought up that Sandra's sister was asked to babysit. ( I don't want to use the sister's name because it is a personal preference of mine not to name minors) She asked Sandra's older sister to watch her own child, when now we know that she was intending to murder Sandra.

As of this moment (my opinion could change) this sounds very much like she has an obsession with either Sandra or Sandra's Mother.

What was it about Sandra's Mother that she so detested that she would ask her older child to babysit while she murdered the younger child? Then if rumor proves to be correct, text that same Mother?

Now the level of evil that it takes to do those things (if proven factual) scares me. I'm rarely scared. But that really scares me.
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This case has drained me. I'm afraid to wade back into the Haleigh case now. It just all seems so d*** senseless!!!
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Wow, in the phone interview with reporters MH sounds very truthful. Scary...I sure hope she isn't covering for her Grandpa! People want to know motive, hopefully in the next few days...
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