Unidentified Body of **UPDATE MALE** pulled from DesPlaines River May 20

[dee10134]

Ok, here is some circumstantial information for everyone not familiar with Big Basin. The bar, Mugz's Hideout, has a lot of patrons who ride motorcycles, so DP would have been familiar with the marina if he rode with friends in the area. Hell, he and I may have crossed paths there before (SHUDDER). There's a polar bear plunge there every New Year's Day, mostly bikers show up for the event.

It's very isolated and you get there by driving down a frontage road.

You can see the I-55 bridge over the river from the marina and bar, so someone could also have dropped a body from that bridge. It's a HUGE bridge.

[Carolina Girl]

Updated story here:
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2...te-police.html

[amandab]

OT - hi Michigirl! Looks like we're neighbors.

[ckwood32]

Plus the blue barrel so close to the body. I really hope it is Stacy. I followed Sandra's website too.

[ckwood32]

When will preliminary results be in???

[Michigirl]

Hi Amandab! See, not everyone has left Michigan, lol!

[Marsha]

I found the exact location of the remains that were found by searching live maps. The first image is from a news video online. The other three show the location.

From Bollingbrook Rte 55 goes directly south to the bridge near Channahon. The remains are just west of that bridge.

[Disguiseduser0308]

Originally Posted by ckwood32

When will preliminary results be in???

They didn't say on the newscast I watched. I'm not sure how long it would take for them to determine male vs female remains. If I understand correctly they're not saying male or female, but some reports have speculated female. Other than determining gender I'm not sure what else would be available before DNA comes back.

[scandi]

Originally Posted by dee10134

Ok, here is some circumstantial information for everyone not familiar with Big Basin. The bar, Mugz's Hideout, has a lot of patrons who ride motorcycles, so DP would have been familiar with the marina if he rode with friends in the area. Hell, he and I may have crossed paths there before (SHUDDER). There's a polar bear plunge there every New Year's Day, mostly bikers show up for the event.

It's very isolated and you get there by driving down a frontage road.

You can see the I-55 bridge over the river from the marina and bar, so someone could also have dropped a body from that bridge. It's a HUGE bridge.

Thanks for that Dee, Are there any other bridges in that area? With severe flooding could it be possible for the barrel to be washed from a bridge and end up there?

A dam was mentioned but it is downstream, right? I could see Drew dumping the barrel on the lake side of the dam, which would be upstream {every dam makes a lake behind it where the water builds up} because that is where the water would be the deepest.

I think he never expected this barrel to surface if it is Stacy. I think he put it where he thought the water was the deepest so it would never see the light of day again. IMO

Will have to see the logistics of this to see what fits and how it could have happened. This case has certainly turned into one needing some serious Sleuthing.

So many posters here this morning have talked about the families of Stacy, Lisa and probably the other missing person alluded to. I just want to say I concur with heartfelt feelings for them all as they go thru this waiting process. xox

[Cherry Baby]

Blue barrel upstream was NOT a rumor. I saw the photos the Channahon resident took on the news this morning. They had a phone call with her. She couldn't get to the barrel because it was across the river in an inaccessible area.

I believe you guys. I was just typing out what she had to say - it's entirely possible that LE does and/or has more info than they are willing to give out right now and somebody was steering Jacobson elsewere. Considering the reporter...

[harleysnana]

Originally Posted by Tsunami

In case some of you forgot Sandra Bellinger here is her site regarding Stacy.......

http://www.heliumraven.com/

I'm late reading here but wanted to add this that was posted by Sandra
in October 2008:
"I would like to add that due to the recent flooding caused
by Hurricane Ike in the general vicinity of the Dresden Dam it is important
that the river banks of the Des Plaines and Illinois be searched for any
possible trace of Stacy that may have washed up and been left behind when
the waters subsided."
Notice the bold part!!

[Marsha]

If these remains do turn out to be Stacy, EVP Sandra B. was very close.

She stated that Stacy was at the same location Bob Piest was found..........he was one of the young men killed by John Wayne Gayce (sp) and dumped off the 55 bridge. That bridge was rebuilt after that happened.

[Michigirl]

Wow, thanks for the great maps, really gives you an idea how desolate this area would be. He (alledgedly) has his bro's help loading the barrel, but what about when it came time to unload it, did he simply roll it off the truck and into an accessible part of the shore, or was able to back up to an area upstream, possibly right up to the bank and push it off the tailgate and into the water? Really horrible to even think this through so matter of factly, ugh.

[:+:MrTT:+:]

Originally Posted by :+:MrTT:+:

...
Rachel Marie Mellon Skemp
from boilingbrook.

I am having doubts about it being Stacy or Lisa.............but lets not forget about Rachel missing from the area also............I am waiting to hear, if they were able to tell, if the remains are female, as to weather or not they were pregnant at one time.......which would tell me its not Rachel.

ALL MOO AND ASSUMPTIONS.

[joyce D]

wow this site about Stacy hits dead on http://www.heliumraven.com/

[ckwood32]

Originally Posted by joyce D

wow this site about Stacy hits dead on http://www.heliumraven.com/

Yeah if this is Stacy Sandra was very close.

[stillblv]

Not that it really matters but this is an article about the guy who found the remains. He was asked by police not to answer any questions about what he saw. From this article he seems like a really good guy.

http://www.livinglandsandwaters.org/About/chad.htm

[KR2tonenow]

Originally Posted by Searchfortruth

The remains "could be anyone," said Illinois State Police Lt. Carl Anderson. Authorities still would not say if they believed they were male or female.

Some clothing was found with the remains, he said. Other sources identified the clothing as blue jeans.

http://www.wgntv.com/news/wgntv-body...,4038321.story

I wish they'd release what type of clothing was found.

[dee10134]

Originally Posted by Disguiseduser0308

They didn't say on the newscast I watched. I'm not sure how long it would take for them to determine male vs female remains. If I understand correctly they're not saying male or female, but some reports have speculated female. Other than determining gender I'm not sure what else would be available before DNA comes back.

They can tell right away if the pelvis is intact. Males and females have different shaped pelvis'.

[kiki the parrot]

From chicagobreakingnews report, "The remains were found along the banks of the river near Channahon, just west of Interstate Highway 55, an area where searchers have looked for Peterson since she disappeared Oct. 28, 2007." Does anyone know why it is here specifically that they've searched all along for Stacy--vs another area of the river eg, or vs for Lisa, other missing persons etc? The fact the remains were recovered evidently right where they expected to find Stacy makes me somewhat more hopeful that it is her. ETA Ie was search targeted there based upon cellphone activity or some other specified reason? (It isn't reported that this area was scoured for Lisa's remains, eg.)

[dee10134]

Originally Posted by scandi

Thanks for that Dee, Are there any other bridges in that area? With severe flooding could it be possible for the barrel to be washed from a bridge and end up there?

A dam was mentioned but it is downstream, right? I could see Drew dumping the barrel on the lake side of the dam, which would be upstream {every dam makes a lake behind it where the water builds up} because that is where the water would be the deepest.

I think he never expected this barrel to surface if it is Stacy. I think he put it where he thought the water was the deepest so it would never see the light of day again. IMO

Will have to see the logistics of this to see what fits and how it could have happened. This case has certainly turned into one needing some serious Sleuthing.

So many posters here this morning have talked about the families of Stacy, Lisa and probably the other missing person alluded to. I just want to say I concur with heartfelt feelings for them all as they go thru this waiting process. xox

There are bridges all over the area because Big Basin is where the Des Plaines and Kankakee Rivers converge. It is quite possible that due to the flooding of the Des Plaines and the movement of the barges, that a barrel that was meant to stay underwater could have been unearthed.

Prayers for this woman and her family, whomever they are.

[dee10134]

Originally Posted by kiki the parrot

From chicagobreakingnews report, "The remains were found along the banks of the river near Channahon, just west of Interstate Highway 55, an area where searchers have looked for Peterson since she disappeared Oct. 28, 2007." Does anyone know why it is here specifically that they've searched all along for Stacy--vs another area of the river eg or vs for Lisa or other missing persons? The fact the remains were recovered evidently right where they expected to find Stacy makes me somewhat more hopeful that it is her.

It's possible his cell phone pinged in this area... Plus, DP was a biker, so he could have been very familiar with the area if he ever hung out at Mugzy's, too. It's quite remote and hard to reach, especially at night.

[faefrost]

Originally Posted by joyce D

wow this site about Stacy hits dead on http://www.heliumraven.com/

regardless of your views on psychics (mine are desidedly negative from personal experience in a public missing child case. Raw sewage and rats were involved), Sandra at the very least seems like a superb anthropologist. An area of education, training and specialization that really should get more attention from LE and investigations. She certainly seems to come to some eerily precise conclusions that do look to be beeing born out.

I get the feeling that LE has a pretty good feeling that this is Stacey, and not Lisa or an unknown 3rd party. Probably from a combination of this being the area they were expecting to find something and some of the details.

Regarding the question above about how fast they could determine the sex of the remains. if the lower body or skull is present the ME can determine the sex pretty much immediately at a glance. There are distinct and easily identifiable diferences between men and womans pelvis's and skulls. As far as determining if the woman had given birth, I could be wrong on this, but I believe that requires an x-ray of the pelvis to determine for certain. Something about seperation paterns in the bones and growth plates?

[lonetraveler]

Originally Posted by sirscottyog

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Probably something to do with postings such as, "I hope it Stacy". It's not what is being said, it's how it's being said. Fathom yourself into the shoes of someone who has lost family to violent crime. I'm sure it would be (at the least) a bit weird to hear people hoping your missing realtive was a recently discovered bottom half of a skeleton wearing panties. If it were me, I would preface my posting a bit to show respect for the missing/dead. It urkes me, that's all. Last time I checked, I was allowed to form an opinion.

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There is a significant difference in stating that "I hope that Stacey is dead" vs. believing that Stacey is dead and that you "hope that this is her remains". I don't have to go back and view all posts to know without a doubt that no one on this thread wished that Stacey was dead. I'm not going to debate you on this, I'm more interested in following this case to the end and seeing that the murderer is punished. This is a crime sleuthing forum and there is sufficient evidence IMO to point to the murder of Stacey Peterson, therefore it should not seem strange for posters to believe that she is deceased and do hope that her body is found. I'm not addressing this situation again.

[cheko1]

Originally Posted by scandi

I would think if the remains in the top half of the barrel had floated out, it would include the implants. If you held them down in water and let go, I bet they would fly to the surface. Not sure. Maybe Nursie knows. ;}

ETA: They might find them on the edge of the bank tho. I would think that barrel would have tossed and tumbled with the flood waters, and it could have taken that to knock the top off. I think the fact the BB and the remains found were relatively close together means the rest of the body and anything else in the barrel will be found as well. xox and IMO

Breast implants can float...........BUTTTTTTTTTTTT
they deteriorate very fast! I am assuming she had saline implants / & they rupture very easily in a body. ( I know that for a fact) Any type of jolt the wrong way & they're history. Women have them taken out all the time & they don't know what lot size they are or who the manufacturer is.

Hi Scandi!!!