CA - Hasanni Campbell, 5, Oakland, 10 Aug 2009 - #2

[snoelle1]

Originally Posted by Kat

I've never seen CPS remove other children from a home where a child has been abducted. Anyone?

Even immediately remove a child from a family that has had a child abducted?

IMHO when the younger child was removed it was not because Hassani was believed to have been abducted but it was something else they found that we don't know about.

Possibly, but there are a couple different things going on here-

1) These children are foster children, so they are legally in the custody of Social Services. There is no way DSS could leave the sister there - imagine if it turns out LR or JC are responsible? If the children had been adopted already, I suspect it might have been harder to remove Hasanni's sister. Since the children are in DSS custody as it is, there is no burden to prove a child has been abused or neglected in order to justify removal. DSS can remove or place kids wherever they want, whenever they want.

2) Per CA CPS policy, "Neglect means the failure to provide a person with necessary care and protection. In the case of a child, the term refers to the failure of a parent(s)/guardian(s) or caretaker(s) to provide the care and protection necessary for the child's healthy growth and development. Neglect occurs when children are physically or psychologically endangered. The term includes both severe and general neglect as defined by Penal Code Section 11165.2 and medically neglected infants as described in 45 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Part 1340.15(b)." This would include cases of inadequate supervision or a lack of supervision required to insure the safety of the child based on the child's age or developmental ability.

Regardless of whether LR is responsible for Hasanni's disappearance, LR admits he left Hasanni unattended; this action alone meets the definition of caretaker neglect as outlined above. I would guess a CPS investigation was opened based on LR's admitted actions, and there would likely be a finding of neglect in regards to Hasanni. Again, as DSS has custody, they could not leave the sister in the home with a caretaker who now likely has a CPS history.

Additionally, it is probable that DSS has policies prohibiting placing children for adoption with families with CPS histories, thus explaining the statement that they will not get either child back even if Hasanni is found.

In short, I don't think the sister was removed because Hasanni was *abducted as much as it was because he was *neglected and the children are in the custody of DSS and could not remain in the home in that case.

Hope that makes sense...and as always, is JMOO.

[panthera]

Originally Posted by amysmom

Maybe it is as simple as foster dad proved to be negligent when he left the child unattended.. Even if he never went missing & CPS learned of his actions they probably would still have a strong case against him imo

I agree ~ that's all it would take. His action in leaving Hassani unattended in the alley are negligent. MOO

[ecatzippy]

LR must have lost his job after they bought the home. I'm surprised they would have been able to carry such a large mortgage otherwise. I looked for homes in that neighborhood and we bought ours on the other side of the park. Most of these homes are not large or fancy by any means. They use a security company to help keep crime down. Prices are higher in this neighborhood because the neighborhood elementary school is rated a 10. Many people move by junior high to the other side of town where prices are even higher but there are better rated middle and high schools. This child was being sent to a school across town either because it has a special needs program or because the neighborhood school was too full.

[YellowSubmarine]

Originally Posted by panthera

I agree ~ that's all it would take. His action in leaving Hassani unattended in the alley are negligent. MOO

Also, don't forget LR said he left both kids in the car at the salvage yard while he looked around (even though there are conflicting stories there, too). Left both kids unattended in a hot car, then left Hasanni unattended in the alley, or possibly once again in the hot car. I suppose those could be grounds for removal. Plus, we don't know for sure what DCF said, right? Could be some misinformation by media or exaggerating on LR's part to conjour up some sympathy and anger.

[STEADFAST]

Originally Posted by panthera

I agree ~ that's all it would take. His action in leaving Hassani unattended in the alley are negligent. MOO

Kind of ironic, in that he probably didn't leave Hasanni unattended in the alley.

Maybe CPS is looking at it this way: He either left Hasanni unattended or he didn't. If he did, he's negligent. If he didn't, he's worse.

[WhyaDuck?]

Originally Posted by YellowSubmarine

Also, don't forget LR said he left both kids in the car at the salvage yard while he looked around (even though there are conflicting stories there, too). Left both kids unattended in a hot car, then left Hasanni unattended in the alley, or possibly once again in the hot car. I suppose those could be grounds for removal. Plus, we don't know for sure what DCF said, right? Could be some misinformation by media or exaggerating on LR's part to conjour up some sympathy and anger.

I'm also thinking that child services didn't know they were taking the kids regularly to stay at the shoe store with employees who were not screened or cleared to babysit them - especially Hasanni, who likely has to have an approved list of caretakers, due to his special needs.

[panthera]

Originally Posted by STEADFAST

Kind of ironic, in that he probably didn't leave Hasanni unattended in the alley.

Maybe CPS is looking at it this way: He either left Hasanni unattended or he didn't. If he did, he's negligent. If he didn't, he's worse.

Yes, either way it would be grounds to remove the other child from their care. And maybe the idea of taking both of them to the store didn't sit well either? After all, they weren't permanently in the care of JC/LR. MOO

[panthera]

Originally Posted by WhyaDuck?

I'm also thinking that child services didn't know they were taking the kids regularly to stay at the shoe store with employees who were not screened or cleared to babysit them - especially Hasanni, who likely has to have an approved list of caretakers, due to his special needs.

GMTA ~ I just said that as well!

[ecatzippy]

I think their neighborhood has a community pool. I wonder if the police asked anyone if they had ever been there with the kids?

[WhyaDuck?]

Originally Posted by panthera

GMTA ~ I just said that as well!

When I first read your post, I thought you meant that you said it pages ago and I was just ripping you off. Glad to see we were at the same time, and my poor brain wasn't tricking me.

Been having nightmares about an unknown someone trying to steal my baby while I am running around trying to hide him... it's been ruining my sleep and making me pretty dumb, so I never trust anything I say these days.

Been reading a few too many of these cases, methinks.

[panthera]

Originally Posted by ecatzippy

I think their neighborhood has a community pool. I wonder if the police asked anyone if they had ever been there with the kids?

From what I've read & heard it seems not many people ever saw Hassani. I also noticed that for all LR's pleading how he fought to get the right to take care of Hassani that the only photo he seems to have is the one in cap & gown. Most people love to take pictures of their kids!! MOO

[panthera]

Originally Posted by WhyaDuck?

When I first read your post, I thought you meant that you said it pages ago and I was just ripping you off. Glad to see we were at the same time, and my poor brain wasn't tricking me.

Been having nightmares about an unknown someone trying to steal my baby while I am running around trying to hide him... it's been ruining my sleep and making me pretty dumb, so I never trust anything I say these days.

Been reading a few too many of these cases, methinks.

I'm sorry you're losing sleep but if it's any consolation, at least in this case, I don't think there's a stranger who abducts children involved. Even in most cases, the child goes missing due to a parent harming them or a non-custodial parent or friend/relative of a parent abducting them. (((hugs))) to you!

[Noway]

The Fremont couple wore T-shirts with photos of the youth, whose name is also spelled Hassani.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz0OZPC1pJz


I never heard of anyone having two spellings for their name. If someone spells my name some other way than I do, I tell them they spelled it wrong ...

ETA: And wouldn't this just mess up legal documents if his birth certificate had one spelling and other documents another?

[STEADFAST]

Originally Posted by Noway

The Fremont couple wore T-shirts with photos of the youth, whose name is also spelled Hassani.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz0OZPC1pJz


I never heard of anyone having two spellings for their name. If someone spells my name some other way than I do, I tell them they spelled it wrong ...

Maybe they didn't feel right about telling whoever made up and gave them those shirts that they'd spelled his name wrong. Since they spelled it "Hasanni" in their flyers and Hasanni spelled it "Hasanni" when he was practicing writing his name, I think it just has the one spelling.

[Shutterfly]

Originally Posted by Noway

The Fremont couple wore T-shirts with photos of the youth, whose name is also spelled Hassani.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz0OZPC1pJz


I never heard of anyone having two spellings for their name. If someone spells my name some other way than I do, I tell them they spelled it wrong ...

ETA: And wouldn't this just mess up legal documents if his birth certificate had one spelling and other documents another?

You're absolutely right. It's odd considering that Ross is so quick to point out all the mistakes WE (as in the general public and media) are making in reference to Hasanni.

[snoelle1]

Originally Posted by Noway

The Fremont couple wore T-shirts with photos of the youth, whose name is also spelled Hassani.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz0OZPC1pJz


I never heard of anyone having two spellings for their name. If someone spells my name some other way than I do, I tell them they spelled it wrong ...

ETA: And wouldn't this just mess up legal documents if his birth certificate had one spelling and other documents another?

This is so sad to say, but this may not be uncommon for kids in the system...I've worked with two foster kids who were shocked to learn as adults that the names they had been going by all their lives weren't their "real" names. All it takes is one caseworker to spell it wrong at the very beginning and it just gets passed along wrong from worker, to foster parent, to kid...soon enough you kind of do end up with two ways to spell the name. Wonder what his birth certificate says...

[panthera]

Originally Posted by STEADFAST

Maybe they didn't feel right about telling whoever made up and gave them those shirts that they'd spelled his name wrong. Since they spelled it "Hasanni" in their flyers and Hasanni spelled it "Hasanni" when he was practicing writing his name, I think it just has the one spelling.

I hope Hasanni forgives me for misspelling his name in all these posts! I was only going by what the media had put out there.


Also to AWC ~ thank you for finding that adorable photo of him by a tree that you just put on the other thread!! I was so hoping for one that showed his full face and head.

[WhyaDuck?]

Originally Posted by snoelle1

This is so sad to say, but this may not be uncommon for kids in the system...I've worked with two foster kids who were shocked to learn as adults that the names they had been going by all their lives weren't their "real" names. All it takes is one caseworker to spell it wrong at the very beginning and it just gets passed along wrong from worker, to foster parent, to kid...soon enough you kind of do end up with two ways to spell the name. Wonder what his birth certificate says...

The modern equivalent to Ellis Island names, I guess.

[WhyaDuck?]

Originally Posted by panthera

I hope Hasanni forgives me for misspelling his name in all these posts! I was only going by what the media had put out there.


Also to AWC ~ thank you for finding that adorable photo of him by a tree that you just put on the other thread!! I was so hoping for one that showed his full face and head.

It is frustrating that I've seen no full shots of him, so I can see him standing with his braces on. That would be useful to the investigation, I think.

Anyone see one of those?

[Noway]

Originally Posted by STEADFAST

Maybe they didn't feel right about telling whoever made up and gave them those shirts that they'd spelled his name wrong. Since they spelled it "Hasanni" in their flyers and Hasanni spelled it "Hasanni" when he was practicing writing his name, I think it just has the one spelling.

Maybe. But I think there would be a tactful way to say that. I bet the t-shirt maker would have made new shirts.

[STEADFAST]

Originally Posted by panthera

I hope Hasanni forgives me for misspelling his name in all these posts! I was only going by what the media had put out there.


Also to AWC ~ thank you for finding that adorable photo of him by a tree that you just put on the other thread!! I was so hoping for one that showed his full face and head.

I wonder if Ross hasn't been adamant about the spelling of his step-son's name because spelling it wrong might be beneficial. Maybe fewer records would show up with a search of "Hassani Campbell" than "Hasanni Campbell"?
It really does seem strange that he hasn't ever said something like, "By the way, his name is spelled Hasanni."
I think it's hard to figure out Ross's motives for anything because he's possibly pretending to be a different kind of person than he is, so no one really knows what part of his words and actions come from Ross and what part from "Ross."

[Columbo]

Originally Posted by momtective

Originally posted by WhyaDuck?


Consider the foster care payments of avg. $450.00 a month for each child, plus as much as $650.00 or more a month in SSI for Hassani's disability, plus slightly above min wage for JC bringing in appx $1600.00 a month and LR's income (computer tech is it?) I think they would probably bring in over 70 grand a year, easy.


my edit: my mistake...LR is a computer programmer...in that case they probably bring in well over 100 grand a year.

I don't get the impression that he is employed, but I could be wrong...he is tending the kids during the day and taking the medical assistant course at night....unless there are some key facts missing here--something LE knows that they aren't revealing to the public.
Plus, LR had that bad record in Maryland with his computer company and the general consensus here is that he is likely banned from the computer business now.

[YellowSubmarine]

PrimeNews is covering right now

[WhyaDuck?]

Originally Posted by Columbo

I don't get the impression that he is employed, but I could be wrong...he is tending the kids during the day and taking the medical assistant course at night....unless there are some key facts missing here--something LE knows that they aren't revealing to the public.
Plus, LR had that bad record in Maryland with his computer company and the general consensus here is that he is likely banned from the computer business now.

Could he be working from home as an independent computer contractor?

That could also explain the medical assistant course - less money, but more stable and regular pay.

ETA: That having been said, an independent computer consultant without a website would likely be as rare as a one-armed coal shoveler... and I don't think people found a LR professional site, IIRC.

[YellowSubmarine]

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