Jaycee told LE that the girls were not molested.

[WillenFan21]

From the Jane Valez Mitchell Twitter Page:

issueswithjvm SFGate.com Report: Jaycee Dugard denies that her daughters were molested. More with the panel at 7 ET tonight on #HLNTV

http://twitter.com/issueswithjvm/status/4156881757

http://twitter.com/issueswithjvm


Dugard said to deny daughters were molested

Phillip Matier,Andrew Ross

Sunday, September 20, 2009
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Almost from the start, police have had to ponder the disturbing possibility that kidnap-rape suspect Phillip Craig Garrido sexually molested the two girls whom he is suspected of fathering with his alleged hostage of 18 years, Jaycee Dugard.

Now comes word that the answer appears to be "no" - at least according to Dugard.

"She's saying he didn't touch her kids," says one law enforcement source who is following the investigation.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz0RmciumGX

[songline]

NOT SURPRISED AT ALL.
JC IS STILL BRAIN WASHED,
They are all in the process of getting De-Programed.
We do have to give her some tme. A lot of time.

God Bless the 3 angels

[mike-]

Songline - You don't think she could be honestly answering a straight forward question? It seems possible that she's telling the truth to me.

[Indianagirl]

Maybe she doesn't know if he was? Maybe Garrido told the girls it was their secret?

[oh_gal]

It would be so wonderful if it were true!
However, Jaycee was horribly abused and mentally manipulated for years...you don't get over that, or forget "how to act" in a matter of weeks.

[MarioMangler]

Since day one I have predicted that the two younger girls were probably never abused. You have to remember, PG and NG essentially raised both them from birth. They knew these two as babies, which I would imagine would put them in a whole different light than someone like Jaycee, who they abducted at 11. Serial rapist or not, my guess is that it would be a lot harder to think of someone you raised since birth as a sex object.

Until it is proven otherwise, I have no doubt at all that PG and Jaycee are both telling the truth on this particular subject.

Which, of course, makes the whole story even weirder when it comes to Starlit and Angel, since they have probably now been ripped away from-- to them-- what seemed like a perfectly normal familial arrangement. To them, all they know is that they suddenly have no more mom or dad.

This whole story is just so bizarre.

[LinasK]

Originally Posted by MarioMangler

Since day one I have predicted that the two younger girls were probably never abused. You have to remember, PG and NG essentially raised both them from birth. They knew these two as babies, which I would imagine would put them in a whole different light than someone like Jaycee, who they abducted at 11. Serial rapist or not, my guess is that it would be a lot harder to think of someone you raised since birth as a sex object.

Umm, no I disagree, or incest wouldn't happen ever. Unfortunately being a birth parent doesn't necessarily make for a good parent. I won't even get into the famous cases where I'm sure it's happened or was likely to...
If Philip and Nancy Garrido were a normal couple with infertility problems, they'd have seen fertility doctors, adopt, or hired a surrogate to be a mother rather than kidnap and rape an 11-year-old girl to be their surrogate!

[gitana1]

I hope it's true too. And I think it is possible that it's true because they were his flesh and blood and sometimes certain predators will not touch their own relations, and only go outside the family. However, obviously, it's a huge concern because this guy seems a real out of control predator, crossing all kinds of lines. Also, Jaycee may not know everything he did, even with her own daughters. Finally, the guy said he slept with those babies every night, in his arms. Seems awfully weird to me. Most father's don't sleep while embracing their children all night, espcially not preteen and teen girls, and this "father" is dangerous sexual predator, which makes his sleeping with his daughters all the more creepy.
IMO, there is a good chance he abused them sexually, but if so, I'd be happy if that news never got out. Maybe Jaycee is just trying to protect them. I don't know.

[Natal]

Or maybe she is telling the truth.

Convincing kids that they had been abused when they have not been, is as bad and possibly worse than abuse itself. So, if there is no evidence to the contary, and everyone involved says it didn't happen, let it slide folks.

[gitana1]

Originally Posted by LinasK

Umm, no I disagree, or incest wouldn't happen ever. Unfortunately being a birth parent doesn't necessarily make for a good parent. I won't even get into the famous cases where I'm sure it's happened or was likely to...

I hear what you are saying but there is something called the childhood familiarity theory which states that those involved in, or witnesses to the day-to-day care of infants and toddlers, such as bathing, feeding, diaper changing, etc., are less likely to view those particular infants or toddlers as sex objects, at any time as the children age. This can be true sometimes even when the person involved is a pedophile. It's like a person involved in such care really relates to the child as a child needing care and that somehow prevents them from having sexual feelings for that person, even in adulthood. In China, in the old days, people would arrange marriages in some parts between infants and often, and infant girl was sent to live with her husband-to-be and his family, when they were still babies or small children. This theory explains why these couples later in life reported zero sexual attraction to one another. Yes, incestual parents seem to not fit with the theory but I believe there was a study which held that parents who molested their children were less likely to have been intimately involved in the day-to-day care of the molested child. So, it is possible that garrido did not touch the girls. Possible but I'm not sure if it is probable. I hope he didn't. That's all I can say.

[songline]

Originally Posted by mike-

Songline - You don't think she could be honestly answering a straight forward question? It seems possible that she's telling the truth to me.

Yes it is possible.
However - she is brain washed and he is Child Molester.
I rather they get De-programed properly and then if the answer is still NO then
I will believe it and be happy for them in some way.

He still robed them of a Mother, making them think JC was the sister.
He still made them live in a hovel, and get no education.
He had a computer they could have been doing work on line.

[LinasK]

Originally Posted by Natal

Or maybe she is telling the truth.

Convincing kids that they had been abused when they have not been, is as bad and possibly worse than abuse itself. So, if there is no evidence to the contary, and everyone involved says it didn't happen, let it slide folks.

Considering the words of a convicted serial rapist were that his daughters slept in his arms every night, I think it's a very real possibility! It's not the same as trying to pin every murder in the state of California on him.

[songline]

Originally Posted by Indianagirl

Maybe she doesn't know if he was? Maybe Garrido told the girls it was their secret?

Yes that is what predators do.

[songline]

Originally Posted by Natal

Or maybe she is telling the truth.

Convincing kids that they had been abused when they have not been, is as bad and possibly worse than abuse itself. So, if there is no evidence to the contary, and everyone involved says it didn't happen, let it slide folks.

I'D be thrilled if the stories are still the same after they get de-programed.

Nobody will ever convince them that anything happened.
they will let the right people know.

AND WE MAY NEVER KNOW THE TRUTH
that is just fine with me.

[mike-]

PG's history hasn't been incest, it's been violent sex. He has said that the only sex that would satisfy him was forcible and violent. It seems completely possible that Jaycee and PG are accurate when they say the young girls were never abused. Maybe raising them from birth made it more difficult for him to act on his particular sick compulsions, as opposed to an 11 year old girl that he had never seen before, and the older woman that he raped in the storage unit.

[Natal]

Originally Posted by LinasK

Considering the words of a convicted serial rapist were that his daughters slept in his arms every night, I think it's a very real possibility! It's not the same as trying to pin every murder in the state of California on him.

I would hazard a guess that most serial rapists don't rape their own children. PG's thing was bondage and violent assault, I don't think that familial molestation fits with that type of person.

People who molest their own children see it as an act of love. Based on what we have been told, PG's rapes were an exercise in control and degradation, which is a completely different psycology. He got off on forcing his will on his victims. If he was acting out his sexual thing with the kids, noone in that household would have been under any illusions about it.

[songline]

Originally Posted by mike-

PG's history hasn't been incest, it's been violent sex. He has said that the only sex that would satisfy him was forcible and violent. It seems completely possible that Jaycee and PG are accurate when they say the young girls were never abused. Maybe raising them from birth made it more difficult for him to act on his particular sick compulsions, as opposed to an 11 year old girl that he had never seen before, and the older woman that he raped in the storage unit.

His songs are that of liking young girls.
If he had some secret from JC and taught the girls to never tell,
creating the forbidden time with them individually.
IT could have satisfied the bad boy...
maybe a band aid for when he had no violent sex.
He is far too sick and so were his songs.
While with some there is only one pattern.
He raped woman and child.

You may be right, but I would put nothing past him at all.
And until these girls are De-programed I am not sure of anything.

[songline]

Originally Posted by Natal

I would hazard a guess that most serial rapists don't rape their own children. PG's thing was bondage and violent assault, I don't think that familial molestation fits with that type of person.

People who molest their own children see it as an act of love. Based on what we have been told, PG's rapes were an exercise in control and degradation, which is a completely different psycology. He got off on forcing his will on his victims. If he was acting out his sexual thing with the kids, noone in that household would have been under any illusions about it.

I think you mean an act of perversion, and power. There is no love there. They know it is wrong.

PG sang songs of liking young girls. He is a pervert. I can not see him having boundaries.
I can see him brain washing them and having secrets too.
I wonder what will show up after the De-Programing.

[MBK]

He saw sleeping with his daughters in his arms every night as an act of love. I don't think that anyone would consider this normal. But in doing so, he "normalized" inappropriate touching with his daughters. IF he did not sexually abuse them, he had surely paved the way so that his daughters would not know what was appropriate and what was inappropriate touching. The "clingy" behavior of his older daughter as pointed out by clients of the print shop might well point to an abuse situation.

Jaycee was raped, obviously . . . if Garrido acted upon his urges, she was brutally raped. Yet she came to see her relationship with this brutal rapist as a marriage of sorts. Can her judgment be trusted? (This is not to say anything against her; she cannot help that her world BECAME Phillip Garrido and his twisted truths.)

It would be a blessing if Jaycee's daughters were not sexually abused (or physically, and I think we can all agree that they are emotionally abused, and deprived) . . . but it wouldn't be surprising if they were. They have enough to deal with, without being sexually abused. Nobody here is hoping that they were; we are just being realistic.

[Leila]

What Jaycee says could very well be true, at least I hope so. We don't know how someone as sick as PG thinks. Maybe after Jaycee had the two children, PG viewed Jaycee differently than he did when she was an 11-year-old child that was a stranger to him.

But, if PG didn't molest the two girls, and if he hadn't touched Jaycee in years............who was he raping and molesting???

[adnoid]

Originally Posted by mike-

PG's history hasn't been incest, it's been violent sex...

Until Jaycee when we know - for a fact - that he also added pedophilia/child rape. To have him later add incest isn't such a leap. It's not proven, of course, but it's not impossible.

[adnoid]

Originally Posted by MBK

He saw sleeping with his daughters in his arms every night as an act of love....Yet she came to see her relationship with this brutal rapist as a marriage of sorts...

And you know these things as a fact because...?

[phylliyum]

Originally Posted by adnoid

And you know these things as a fact because...?

from articles. PG himself said that he slept with both girls every night, and Jaycee's stepfather said she viewed her relationship with PG as a marriage of sorts. So yes, these are known as facts.

[MBK]

Originally Posted by adnoid

And you know these things as a fact because...?

It is certain that Garrido THOUGHT he loved his daughters . .. the way he spoke about holding them in his arms every night since they were babies showed that. Of course, it isn't love, but, like so many molesters and abusers, he thinks it is. I say that with absolute assurance; I'm not just shooting from the hip here.

As for Jaycee seeing her relationship with Garrido as a marriage, that is a much-repeated quote from her stepfather, Carl Probyn

"Jaycee has strong feelings with this guy. She really feels it's almost like a marriage," Carl Probyn said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/08...y5277473.shtml
{Article from CBS news has a nice pix of Jaycee, her mother, and her baby sister (someone else, too)}

Since everything we have heard about Jaycee is second or third-hand, this statement is as credible as anything else. It is quite believable.

In addition, in a tabloid, http://www.nationalenquirer.com/jayc...elebrity/67234it was claimed that Jaycee was forced to "marry" Garrido in a twisted backyard ceremony. I'd take that with a grain of salt, but it also seems entirely possible.

My larger point was that DESPITE being brutally raped numerous times by a man who is a serial rapist into violent and coercive sex, Jaycee came to have a BOND with Garrido, a bond described by her stepfather as being like a marriage. So, if you can see rape as love, you might not read the signs of abuse or love correctly when it comes to the daughters.

[adnoid]

Originally Posted by phylliyum

from articles. PG himself said that he slept with both girls every night, and Jaycee's stepfather said she viewed her relationship with PG as a marriage of sorts. So yes, these are known as facts.

I haven't seen that statement from her stepfather - I just read in an article today that her stepfather has yet to see her, in fact:

http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...=2009909210335

"...Probyn said he has not seen Dugard since she was discovered Aug. 26. His only conversation with Terry Probyn was after the FBI called to report she was alive, he said..."

And I am unaware of ANY statement made by PG beyond the one bizarre phone interview, and I don't think a convicted rapist and admitted child molester is any authority on loving relationships.