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One possibility for the source of the stain could be condensation between a heavy plastic bag and the truck carpet, which would facilitate the growth of mold, the accumulation of dirt or dust in the pattern of the damp spot. Sorry to be grisly, but imagine a heavy plastic trash bag filled with liquid placed against a carpet for several days of varying hot (day) and cold (night) temperatures.
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Mike G on HLN is about to talk about outline in trunk at 4pm CST
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see, i maintain the gasoline cans were never meant to be put into the gas tank.
rather, they were dumped in the trunk to get rid of the smell...from the "smell of a damn dead body"
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What is the area of carpet felt that is lighter than the other areas?
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Wasn't that a photo submitted to show what the inside of a Pontiac Sunfire would look like when the crawlthrough / air matress / sleeping in the car theory was in full swing? I may be drinking Koolaid and having trouble remembering.
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That liner that comes off the tire cover in the above picture has obviously been thoroughly cleaned, as evidenced by the surrounding filthy carpet in the non-removable area. jmo
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Wasn't that a photo submitted to show what the inside of a Pontiac Sunfire would look like when the crawlthrough / air matress / sleeping in the car theory was in full swing? I may be drinking Koolaid and having trouble remembering.
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Might of been...now that you mention it...but I was thinking these came from a previous doc dump.
Maybe it is I who is drinking the Koolaid.
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see, i maintain the gasoline cans were never meant to be put into the gas tank.
rather, they were dumped in the trunk to get rid of the smell...from the "smell of a damn dead body"
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I've always felt the same because Scott Peterson dumped gas and fertilizer on the tarps he used to wrap Lacy when he found out LE was bringing cadaver dogs to the house. I'm sure she thought gasoline would kill the smell as well as destroy decomp evidence.
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Did anyone actually see anything in the documents stating that the stain was not caused by bodily fluids? All I've seen is a news report. For example, was the reporter just extrapolating from an FBI report saying the stained liner tested negative for BLOOD? I saw there were numerous FBI reports that various things tested negative for blood. I didn't go over them very carefully, because I didn't expect anything to test positive for blood.
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There was a short paragraph stating no DNA in the stain in the FBI report. I was really surprised to see it. I'm looking for it again.
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C, as an RN for a home health care agency & G, as a former sheriff's deputy that still kept in contact with associates in LE, sure know how to clean a trunk and eliminate evidence and wash the gray pants.
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gasoline in the trunk
baby in the trunk
gasoline spilled in the truck
baby laying on the trunk floor
image of baby from laying in gasoline
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Abbbsolutely! I vote "yes"
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my concerns about this stain are great. So far, I think RobotDog is on to something. I swear I recall reading that the gasoline amount found in the air sampling was much too large to have been caused by simply an open container. Can anyone point me in the direction of where I might have read that? I know it was a previous doc dump, not todays if that helps at all? And AZ Lawyer, I too need more clarification on bodily fluids vs blood evidence. I didnt seem to read that part correctly either I guess. TIA WSers
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I don't recall anything about gasoline levels -- only chloroform.
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What is the area of carpet felt that is lighter than the other areas?
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From the pictures Momtective posted it appears to be the lid to the spare tire cover. jmo
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see, i maintain the gasoline cans were never meant to be put into the gas tank.
rather, they were dumped in the trunk to get rid of the smell...from the "smell of a damn dead body"
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I agree RD wholeheartly! I am going to find that gasoline level air sampling thing I read, if its my undoing! I honestly think that she used the gas to cover the smell of decomp...perhaps she even debated throwing in a match, but decided it would be too noticable. maybe I give her too much credit for being able to think that far in advance... 
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The pics Momtective posted are much better than the grainy pdf that is included in Gerardo Boise's report (handwritten pg 8876). However that is the pic they are referring to pic of the inside of the trunk w/markers A and B and what appears to be a dryer sheet laying near the front.
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Oh momtective, it's OK to drink Kool-aid, we just have to stay away from certain flavors. Ha That above photo I really think was posted to show the size of the trunk and to show if there was a pass through that could have enabled the mattress to open up. I don't have a link to the thread so I hope my memory of events are OK but I think that is where that pic originated.
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There was a short paragraph stating no DNA in the stain in the FBI report. I was really surprised to see it. I'm looking for it again.
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OK, let me know if you find it. But I think we need to read it very carefully--"no DNA recovered," for example, does not mean the same thing as, "this stain is not composed of anything that contains DNA." (Similar to the way that "no prints found" does not mean "no one touched this.")
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I know there's already been numerous threads/posts talking about what everyone's ideas of what happened, and I'm not saying that I believe that this is what happened, but something just occurred to me. Perhaps Caylee was in the pool/drowned. Casey panicked and put her soaking body in the trunk of the car. The water from her body/clothes soaked the trunk liner. Casey then decided to bag her and put her on top of the wet spot. The area around the weight of her body dried sooner than the area directly under her/under the plastic, thus leaving an outline that looks like a child in a fetal position and explaining why there isn't decomp fluids/dna in the stain itself?
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I know there's already been numerous threads/posts talking about what everyone's ideas of what happened, and I'm not saying that I believe that this is what happened, but something just occurred to me. Perhaps Caylee was in the pool/drowned. Casey panicked and put her soaking body in the trunk of the car. The water from her body/clothes soaked the trunk liner. Casey then decided to bag her and put her on top of the wet spot. The area around the weight of her body dried sooner than the area directly under her/under the plastic, thus leaving an outline that looks like a child in a fetal position and explaining why there isn't decomp fluids/dna in the stain itself?
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This is a very good theory. The only that doesn't make sense to me is why the car would still smell that bad to this day. Would the decomp smell still be that strong even though she was bagged?
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I know there's already been numerous threads/posts talking about what everyone's ideas of what happened, and I'm not saying that I believe that this is what happened, but something just occurred to me. Perhaps Caylee was in the pool/drowned. Casey panicked and put her soaking body in the trunk of the car. The water from her body/clothes soaked the trunk liner. Casey then decided to bag her and put her on top of the wet spot. The area around the weight of her body dried sooner than the area directly under her/under the plastic, thus leaving an outline that looks like a child in a fetal position and explaining why there isn't decomp fluids/dna in the stain itself?
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Just a thought... I don't have any experience with dead bodies  , but it seems like it would be hard to put a dead (already) body into a fetal position. Why would you do that anyway? My guess would be that Caylee died in the fetal position if that is what the outline indicates. 
What do y'all think? Could you and would you put a dead body in the fetal position?
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Wasn't that a photo submitted to show what the inside of a Pontiac Sunfire would look like when the crawlthrough / air matress / sleeping in the car theory was in full swing? I may be drinking Koolaid and having trouble remembering.
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I do believe that I agree with you about the picture of the Sunfire. I can remember a discussion about it, but not what all was discussed. If not then I have really been hitting the Koolaid.
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I've always felt the same because Scott Peterson dumped gas and fertilizer on the tarps he used to wrap Lacy when he found out LE was bringing cadaver dogs to the house. I'm sure she thought gasoline would kill the smell as well as destroy decomp evidence.
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yep, he tried it and it flopped similiar to this case
it will flop here also
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OK, let me know if you find it. But I think we need to read it very carefully--"no DNA recovered," for example, does not mean the same thing as, "this stain is not composed of anything that contains DNA." (Similar to the way that "no prints found" does not mean "no one touched this.")
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In this document ... http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile...374-8417_1.pdf .... pg 34, their hand-numbered 8407, K Cowan indicates in her correspondence 'Perhaps I am a bit overzealous, but when ERT processes a vehicle, we process the WHOLE car. OCSO just processed the trunk. So, I requested the baby car seat be brought out of storage and the interior of the vehicle be processed. .........'
Now, did the FBI process the trunk lining? If so, was this done later, earlier?
Clearly, there is nothing in these reports of today to substantiate what was reported by the media, relative to the trunk lining and 'no DNA recovered.'
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I wonder.. lets see if I can think far enough back.. photograpic plates used to be made with silver chloride..
what I am driving at and wish someone with some smarts would check out, is.. would it be possible that the chloroform (chloride and acetone) and perhaps the gas fumes might form a sort of primitive 'photographic light-sensitive film' .. perhaps the stain is a crude 'photograph' of the body?
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