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Old 10-25-2009, 10:57 PM
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won't work for me, says error link broken


Try this BUT when the page loads click on ORANGE PARK FL on the left hand side.....watch closely cuz the image of the girls will likely only flash for a second then it flips you to 1980 Plainfield Ave...http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&so...9&z=16&iwloc=A

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Respectfully, we don't know if Vinson the owner was present at the time Somer supposedly communicated to the workers.

The use of the word workers indicates more than one. So the question is: Was it just Kyle and GV present when Somer made her comment (even though it has been stated that GV was not working on this property at the time)...or was it Kyle and one other worker present...or was it Kyle and more than one other worker there...or was it Kyle and Vinson the owner there or was it a total fabrication.

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I see what you are saying. For some reason, I was under the impression that GV was there also. I'll have to go listen to that video again.

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I think if it was an accident, LE would state that and not have all of this secrecy. If the burned house is the crime scene, then wouldn't it make sense that she was killed there? And if that is true, did the construction crew work there until Somer's body was found? If it is where she was killed, that house is really , really important . Isn't it a rental? Then who rented there and maybe they had an SO friend that came to visit? I just don't think that house was chosen randomly. Someone has to know the house, know the layout, know that it was available, etc.
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That could very well be true but I have to disagree with you based on a few facts.

1. They knew cause of death the following day which leads me to believe she was killed with some sort of blunt force trauma & probably raped. I don't know anything about autopsy's but if they can't physically see how the person died don't they do some sort of testing? Blunt force trauma you can look at the person's bones etc and see it.

2. LE not releasing cause of death specifically stating that its due to how badly the crime was.

3. They couldn't ID her by just looking at her.

4. The story is being featured on America's Most Wanted.

I just think something VERY BAD happened to this little girl. Who is to say the perp didn't take her out of town to kill her then disposed her body later on.
Just wanted to add on top of this - If they couldn't ID her by looking at her - how would it still be possible to ID her by a birthmark??? I understand the confirmation through dental records but IRC there was lots of chatter about the birth mark?
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Yes, we don't have an interview with Kyle, its just a reporter - Ryan something - saying Kyle called the station and said he was the last person to see Somer and she said they did a good job on the house.

Maybe I'm too cynical, but it reminds me of John Mark Karr. OR, someone calling the news station saying they are the RSO Kyle? I just don't see a RSO voluntarily calling a news station and admitting he was the last person with a murdered child. That's like wearing an "I molest children" t-shirt.
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Old 10-25-2009, 11:02 PM
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When reporter ask her of anything strange or different she starts talking about the day she flagged down the officer, and she knew this was not like Somer going to someone's house. The video goes black and no audio when she starts talking about her and the officer going to the OPAA Parking lot. grrrrr... What is OPAA... anyone know? Also, at least for me the video blacks out and silent again toward the end.
Did LE and Media decide this was too much info or is this just my computer failing to play all of this?
This is the video I think the Media/LE did the edit because Dieana was giving out information, which they did not want disclosed. She starts with talking about going with LE to the OPAA parking lot.
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Thank you everyone for such a warm welcome.

In listening to the video again, the reporter states that he just spoke with Kyle and "he states" he is the last know person......

That just kind of gives me the creeps!
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The media reports I read indicated that the garbage trucks are compactor-type so facial recognition would have been extremely unreliable, not to mention traumatic for whoever did so.

Confirmation through dental records makes much more sense.
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According to the reporter, Kyle did say he was the last person to see Somer alive. If he did say that, I'm sure LE has talked intensely with him.
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Yes, we don't have an interview with Kyle, its just a reporter - Ryan something - saying Kyle called the station and said he was the last person to see Somer and she said they did a good job on the house.

Maybe I'm too cynical, but it reminds me of John Mark Karr. OR, someone calling the news station saying they are the RSO Kyle? I just don't see a RSO voluntarily calling a news station and admitting he was the last person with a murdered child. That's like wearing an "I molest children" t-shirt.

Couldn't help but spill a small laugh over this one. BBM! I REALLY wish they did have to wear those shirts!! It would make it a hell of a lot easier on us parents!!!
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Maybe Kyle is saying he is the last known person to have seen Somer because LE said that to him ...

So hard to gauge how much attention to pay to this guy without seeing him on video. At least for me it is.
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Yes, we don't have an interview with Kyle, its just a reporter - Ryan something - saying Kyle called the station and said he was the last person to see Somer and she said they did a good job on the house.

Maybe I'm too cynical, but it reminds me of John Mark Karr. OR, someone calling the news station saying they are the RSO Kyle? I just don't see a RSO voluntarily calling a news station and admitting he was the last person with a murdered child. That's like wearing an "I molest children" t-shirt.
Unless the perp gave a false name -- or it was actually someone that could be a potential witness and spewed it out in his own way to the reporter?
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Another question I have in regards to the "worker(s)" at this house. Does anyone know if the water is turned on at this residence, or do the worker(s) use the facilities across the street at the public restroom? This also brings up a red flag to me, for some reason.
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Just wanted to add on top of this - If they couldn't ID her by looking at her - how would it still be possible to ID her by a birthmark??? I understand the confirmation through dental records but IRC there was lots of chatter about the birth mark?
This will sound gross, but maybe that portion of her leg was intact so they recognized it's likely Somer because of the birthmark? I'm not sure how LE does visual IDs, but I'd assume if the face is not recognizable there has to be a certain number of matching things to affirmatively ID a body. (Like not just a birthmark or freckles, because many people might have identical marks). But it could be enough to say tentatively it's probably her.
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Just wanted to add on top of this - If they couldn't ID her by looking at her - how would it still be possible to ID her by a birthmark??? I understand the confirmation through dental records but IRC there was lots of chatter about the birth mark?
I think you'd still be able to see a birthmark even if her legs were not in their normal state.

And for court purposes, I think using dental records just makes sense. Won't get the defendant saying the body wasn't Somer.
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Yes, we don't have an interview with Kyle, its just a reporter - Ryan something - saying Kyle called the station and said he was the last person to see Somer and she said they did a good job on the house.

Maybe I'm too cynical, but it reminds me of John Mark Karr. OR, someone calling the news station saying they are the RSO Kyle? I just don't see a RSO voluntarily calling a news station and admitting he was the last person with a murdered child. That's like wearing an "I molest children" t-shirt.
We don't know Kyle was an RSO. We don't even know if Kyle was real. We're just speculating on possible theories, wishing we had more to work with.
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This will sound gross, but maybe that portion of her leg was intact so they recognized it's likely Somer because of the birthmark? I'm not sure how LE does visual IDs, but I'd assume if the face is not recognizable there has to be a certain number of matching things to affirmatively ID a body. (Like not just a birthmark or freckles, because many people might have identical marks). But it could be enough to say tentatively it's probably her.
Right, makes sense what you say. But wouldn't noticing her hair be more distinguishing than a birthmark. Plus the hair does not decompose does it? I was also thinking of decomposition. Just curious how that would work??
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Just wanted to add on top of this - If they couldn't ID her by looking at her - how would it still be possible to ID her by a birthmark??? I understand the confirmation through dental records but IRC there was lots of chatter about the birth mark?

They sorted through more than 200,000 tons of garbage before their worst fears were realized: Sticking out of the rubbish were a child's lifeless legs.



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I have not been able to read much in the last three days, so I was wondering if anyone can tell me if the possibility of an accidental death has been raised.

Though I am suspicious of the Indigo hands-on healer character, the possibility has occured to me of Somer darting across a parking lot, alley or driveway and being run over, then the driver grabbing her up in an effort to get rid of her, maybe dumping her; mortally injured, in the dumpster. It could have been someone with a reason to fear being caught in the area, someone who had been drinking/drugging, or someone on probation, parole, or with previous DUI's. Could have even been a foolish teenager driving dad's car without permission. People do stupid things!

With Mom having a live-in and all of the perverts in the area, it probably is a sex crime, but without more info as to the condition of the body or manner of death, we can't rule out the possibility of an accident and cover-up.

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No she was most def not ran over or hit by a car b.c it has been stated that when her body was found it was found partially clothed.
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How could LE tell Kyle that he was the last person to see Somer? They have no idea of who the last person was! This whole Kyle thing is really, really weird especially because of the "good job" comment which puts the whole thing right at what is probably the crime scene.
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Maybe Kyle is saying he is the last known person to have seen Somer because LE said that to him ...

So hard to gauge how much attention to pay to this guy without seeing him on video. At least for me it is.
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I totally agree.
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Another day gone and no arrest yet ~ so more prayers tonight that tomorrow will be the day.

for Somer

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At a fundraiser Sunday for Somer's family, children played in a bounce house as adults watched carefully. They vowed to find the girl's killer and raised about $18,500 so her mother doesn't have to go back to work immediately.

WOW. I cannot believe they raised $18,000+ for Somer's mom. Amazing what people have done for her.
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