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Facts as we know them VI

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Instead, use the Quote button and delete everything but the parts you want to discuss. This post is huge.




List of FACTS in Somer's case: Version VI

Credit for compiling goes to:
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These are facts as reported by media and/or from the MPR. Tried to put links to source where available.

Called this version Part I so when editing time on this post is up, this can be copied and added to and we can call that one Version II and so on.

SOMER
Somer Thompson was 7 years old when she disappeared on October 19, 2009.
Somer was wearing a cranberry jumpsuit (sweat suit) with a matching top to the bottom and pink satin stripes down the sides of arms and legs, and a black shirt underneath.
Somer's birthday is April 5, 2002.
Somer was not in the habit of wandering off, according to her mom in video (on left, scroll down in video list) Diena Thompson Addresses The Media.
Somer routinely wandered around and nobody knew where she was, according to a babysitter.
Somer wore a red ribbon in her ponytail on October 19.
AB (neighbor) drove Somer to school on October 19 and said it was a normal morning and Somer was her usual self.
Somer went to school (GPE) and left school at regular time (2:32 p.m.).
Somer was walking home with a group of kids that included sister AT and brother AT.
Something happened on the walk home and Somer ran ahead to walk alone.
An AMBER Alert was issued on Tuesday morning. It does not mention the book bag or lunchbox, but mentions her possibly wearing white hat and scarf. JPG of AMBER Alert
Somer lived with her mom Diena Thompson, her twin brother ST, her older sister AT. (Unsure whether half-brother AC lived with them)
Somer's body was found at Chesser Island Landfill in Folkston, GA. She was tentatively identified by her clothing and a birthmark.
Somer's lunchbox and book bag (see sketches as released by LE and shown on AMW) have not been found. Details first reported on AMW November 7. (Previous reports had not mentioned description of lunchbox; backpack/book bag was described several ways, now believed to be in error, including but not limited to ""black book bag"; "pink black and white backpack with skulls, hearts, and crossbones"; purple HM backpack")

DIENA
Diena and Samuel Thompson are estranged and in the process of divorcing.
Diena has a live-in boyfriend (CPC, who goes by P).
Diena said she had lunch at her home on October 19 with SAP, a family friend.
Diena asked SAP to wait until the kids got home from school. (from narrative MPR, but what was he to do after that?)
Dena texts SAP around 4 p.m., asking how the kids were; SAP replied that Somer had not come home with the other kids.
Diena leaves work early to search for Somer.
Diena felt something was wrong this time, and this is why she responded quickly to news of Somer not making it home that day.
Diena calls her boyfriend, CPC aka P, at about 4:20 p.m., tells him Somer didn’t come home, and asks him to leave work to help search for her.
Diena stops at OPAA to pick up oldest son AC.
Diena flags down D/S A. Coan at the corner of Floyd Circle West and Gano, and reports Somer missing.

SAMUEL
Samuel lives in North Carolina and has not seen Somer in 2 years.
Samuel came to FL on the Sunday after Somer's disappearance.
Samuel says soot was found on Somer’s body in NG interview). (Later, he recants that statement through relative on WS because the source of this information, his sister LH, is thought to be unreliable.)

SEAN A. P. (SAP)
SAP is a close family friend of family.
SAP is said to have had lunch with Diena at her house on October 19 (in the MPR, he does not state this himself but Diena does).
SAP is asked to wait at house until kids come home from school. (from MPR narrative; not sure what he was to do after they came home)..
SAP had not been asked to do this before. This was his first time.
SAP asks where Somer is when AT and ST arrived around 3:10 p.m.
SAP sent AT to look for Somer. When she returned about 15 minutes later without her, SAP told her to look again real good before he called Diena.
SAP gets text from Diena around 4 p.m. asking how the kids were doing; he texts back that Somer did not come home with the other kids and AT is out looking for her.Diena says she will leave work and come look for Somer.
SAP opened bank account for donations to Somer’s family, and the account is in his name.

C. PERRY C.
CPC is Diena's live-in boyfriend.
CPC gets call about 4:20 p.m. from Diena who tells him Somer didn’t come home; Diena asks him to leave work to help search for her.
CPC leaves work and drives to the Horton Drive home; arrives at about 5 p.m.
CPC picks up ST (twin) at the house about 5 p.m. and goes to search for Somer.

GANO AVENUE HOUSE
This house caught fire months ago and is being restored.
Work crews have been at that house.
[VD&B is the contractor working on the house.
Kyle, who works with the contractor, was there on October 19, and said that Somer came in the yard, told him that he/they were doing a good job on the house, and went back the way she came. (Thanks, MammaD!)
Kyle is the last person known to see Somer alive.
There are propane tanks surrounded by a fence about a block the house (toward school).
J., a minor, was riding his bike home when he saw Somer running around near the tanks and that she he thought she was excited but had a frown on her face.
OPAA is a park and sporting fields across the street from the house.
LE searched the house extensively on Thursday and Friday.
The Gano House was proclaimed a crime scene, as was the search area.

LAW ENFORCEMENT

LE searched the Gano Avenue house extensively and the men's room at OPAA briefly and came out with a bag.
An autopsy was performed, and LE knows the cause of death, but that have not released that information.
Sheriff reports only one person cleared in the investigation into Somer’s death and that is him.

Investigators made the request / recommendation that Somer's casket be closed.


OTHER PEOPLE
AB drove Somer to school on October 19.
AB appeared on TV with Sheriff Beseler. Don't want video to appear in this post: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/33427923#33427923"]msnbc.com.

A female neighbor who asked that her name not be reported, upon hearing of Somer’s disappearance, tells LE to check the vacant house on Gano Avenue and its dumpster. After Somer is found in the landfill, she said she wishes she would have checked it herself.

A (different?) female neighbor, when questioned about the trash pick-up day, made a comment that the trash had already been collected that day so to take that however you want to. A WSer posted that it was the woman who drove Somer to school; that would have been AB. I wasn't sure which video it is at the link provided in the post.

Houses in the vicinity of the Gano house were searched on Tuesday, October 20. The search literally hit home for schools Superintendent Ben Wortham, who lives about 100 yards from the Gano Drive spot where Somer was last seen. About 2 a.m. Tuesday, his house and many others in the vicinity were “searched from top to bottom,” Wortham said.

GARBAGE
Bruce Owens, an officer suggests to the sheriff that all trash trucks should be followed and searched so they can isolate the trash coming out of this area, the trash trucks are then followed. (Later reported that Joe Jett gets credit for this.)
Somer was found dead on October 21 in the Chesser Island Landfill in Fokston, Georgia.
LE followed the trucks to the Chesser Island Landfill.

There is at least one video of an interview with Diena that is blacked out-significant portion of interview is missing at the point where DT is recalling something from the day. (Could this just be because it was raw video and they edited out camera man movement?)


RSOs
There are 161 RSOs that live within 5 miles of Somer’s home.
CWG’s name and contact info appears on the initial police report (in error as a case of mistaken identity) detailing her disappearance, along with the names of family, neighbors, and others.
The owner of VD&B has a brother who is an RSO. His name is GCV.
Since Somer disappeared many RSO’s have been arrested for failing to update their addresses.

UNRELATED BUT YET, RELATED
What was thought to be an attempted abduction 10 days before Somer's disappearance turned out not to be an attempted abduction and was not related to Somer's disappearance according to LE. Even after LE said there was no connection, reports on blue Nissans poured in to the CCSO.

A police report in the Clay County Daily indicated that 4 burglary suspects were arrested at the Thompson home. LE later said that the address was in error and gave this explanation: An officer who was at the Thompson home was called to an unrelated burglary call and made the arrest of 4 individuals but when he filed his report, he forgot to change the address. If you check the Clay County Daily for 11/21, you will find the correct information now.

CWG's name on the MPR was a result of mistaken identity according to LE.[/quote]

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1080 Time Line

WEDNESDAY 10/21
Somer's body found at around 3:30 p.m.

THURSDAY 10/22
LE goes to Gano House in the afternoon. ETA(The spot where Somer disappeared is about three blocks from the school. Investigators returned there Thursday afternoon seeking evidence in a vacant house, trash bin and surrounding property at 1080 Gano.) Working at 11:30 p.m. when the digging equipment arrives. Works until 1:30 a.m. (Friday morning).

LE talks with James V. owner of construction company working at Gano house.

LE talks with Kyle (assumption on my part), assistant of James V.
LE talks with G. Chris V., brother of James V. and an RSO, who worked at Gano house months ago but was not at the house on October 19. Source

FRIDAY 10/23
LE to Gano House at WHAT TIME?

LE talks with G. Chris V., brother of James V., an RSO, who worked at Gano house months ago but was not at the house on October 19. Source

Ryan Hughes (reporter for WFTV) talks with Kyle. Source

8:45 p.m. Yellow tape that surrounded home taken down. Source


Note: The source for info about G. Chris V., Ryan talking with Kyle, the yellow tape, the Georgia ME not releasing the body in time for the services, and there being 50 detectives assigned is the same video.

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Noway, I think that Joe Jett was the detective that actually found her body in the land fill
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Clay County Public Records

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Cam, do you have a source for that? TIA

I remember he seemed to be getting credit for the idea of searching the garbage ...

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Cam, do you have a source for that? TIA
wasn't he on AMW stating so? I could be wrong, but I seem to remember this.....I had not seen him in years until AMW, and I was shocked when I saw him....so I didn't listen to the rest of the show...LOL
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btw, is the AMW show with Somer anywhere on line?
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Jett is a Sarg. now....
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maybe I am wrong about this after all, if he is a Sarg, then he was prob in charge, that's all, sorry
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I have to go now, but do wish to respond to your comments, and will do so later. The new thread has made quoting a little more difficult.

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Looking back now on when Somer was found....I just can't get past the part about Beasler "calling" DT to tell her.....this is so wrong.....very odd....MO
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From cached Thread 16. I'll go find the formatted version. ETA: Forgot I can't quote from closed thread.

This is the source of my confusion on Joe Jett. Not Doggies, but that some source started giving credit to Joe Jett.


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL-Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park thread #16

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11-07-2009, 07:57 PM

I made notes:
No suspects, no POI
2:50pmwalking home w/10 yr old, twin and a couple of more children
15 minutes later, at house...she MAY have 'stepped' inside the fence, MAY have looked at the house
Someone MAY have pulled up in car, and Somer, gregarious, MAY have gone up to car
Roadblocks immediately put up, LE t/w people walking and driving
"After that, we don't know."
SOs are not clear, LE just located them to make sure one did not have Somer
Officer Joe Jett is who suggested following trash trucks
BUT...They do not know from which DUMPSTER Somer's body was taken.
This is edited:Artist's rendering of what looked like a Hello Kitty book bag (satchel type) and round lunch bag. Subsequent pictures have proven it is not. Please see pictures posted by MommaD from the AMW website http://www.amw.com/fugitives/video_photos.cfm?id=69151. Thank you MommaD.
They've looked at all surveillance camera tapes in the area
And...that's it.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/21363638/detail.html
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"Tuesday morning, one of my detectives, Bruce Owens, came forward and said, 'You know, I think it'd be a good idea to follow those garbage trucks and let's look at the garbage on the front end rather than waiting and maybe later on trying to go and uncover something,' which was a stroke of genius," Beseler said. "It was a precautionary thing. We didn't have any idea at that time that this would come about. But it was just a really good move."

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For what it's worth, there is some discussion about the uncle of Somer's friend on
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if anyone is interested in reading.

ETA

LOL just found where MommaD and I were discussing my shortcut theory.

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that's odd, because I remember Beasler introducing the detective that came to him with the idea
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The detective told me that CWG was on police report because officers had photos of absconded RSO's in somers area and were showing them to people that live in the apartments nearby. One of these people (CGG) said they thought they had seen CWG panhandling by Interstate 295. The officer passed this on and it was noted it on police report. He also said that it shows on the report if you know the codes that CWG was not present. The last page annotates the witness and CWG. It was determined the witness was mistaken because CWG was in TX.
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isn't CGG the one that has him as a friend on her MS? that whole thing is odd, they had his work # and everything listed didn't they? odd! MO
ETA:I think it was CVS, not CGG that had him listed as a friend on MS
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Short version of AMW video (Source in Thread 16:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL-Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park thread #16
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http://link.brightcove.com/services/...id=46097329001
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another reason I do not believe what LE told you, is that he was not someone in that area, he was listed in Jacksonville....no where near Somer's area.....MO
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Jacksonville address is 15 miles away, Orange Park address is 7.5 miles away
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I added the quote from Sheriff about Owens in the post above.


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"Tuesday morning, one of my detectives, Bruce Owens, came forward and said, 'You know, I think it'd be a good idea to follow those garbage trucks and let's look at the garbage on the front end rather than waiting and maybe later on trying to go and uncover something,' which was a stroke of genius," Beseler said. "It was a precautionary thing. We didn't have any idea at that time that this would come about. But it was just a really good move."
I didn't know the codes but I guessed it was CGG who had IDd him. Where can one learn police codes online?

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another reason I do not believe what LE told you, is that he was not someone in that area, he was listed in Jacksonville....no where near Somer's area.....MO
Cam.. didnt say I believed it either. Just passin on what was said. Yes, odd. It just gets more and more odd, if you ask me.
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I am making too many mistakes here tonight....bed time....LOL
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I added the quote from Sheriff about Owens in the post above.

I didn't know the codes but I guessed it was CGG who had IDd him. Where can one learn police codes online?
Ive been trying to find that out since I first read the report. No luck.
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