FL - Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park, Thread #30

[pinamia]

Originally Posted by sadnpod

Hi everyone.. I hope this works.. I will add videos later tonight, so this is the pics I took, I hope they make sense... I am not even an amateur photographer, so please remember that, especially the videos! If you see something that you want me to zoom on, let me know and I will add it. Now Im gonna go catch up... its been a he** of a day! If the pic is not dated, it was taken on 11/19. http://s977.photobucket.com/albums/a...2009/?start=40

That short cut sure looks scary. When I was young, I would go by one very similar and my brother said once a crazy man came out with a knife and he and his friend outran him. You just never know who the hell is hanging out in those woods waiting to attack a kid or adult for that matter. The fields are long gone from the late 70's. There was a horse farm as well there that's long gone.

It seems like the perfect secluded place to commit a murder

[sadnpod]

Originally Posted by trigger

LOL. Thanx....Hes a handful...

I had a dream last night about a storage shed. So I went and searched storage units in the area. Theres one 4miles away. So I googled the storage unit and it was not in my dream so I went to the address to the burnt house using google earth and came upon a road The Grove Rd. I wonder if its houses or what? Anyway I took it down that street and to my amazement there was the sheds I saw in my dream. Freaky.. I wonder if that is the back of the park?

darn it.. I have to go back? I drove through there.. but didnt take pics.. Its these condos off gano past grove park before debarry on right, they have storage units in the back, but they also have surveillance video signs... no dumpster, its in the middle of the road in middle of condos. very visable.

[sadnpod]

Originally Posted by trigger

I saw a male carrying her in there. She looked like she was sleeping but she wasn't. He placed her down and walked out. In my dream I saw a made shift type of roof over the shed and couldn't make it out until I saw them on this street. It was very very dark. The male was wearing a baseball hat and had brown hair.

Some have roofs like the metal carports have

[MommaD]

Originally Posted by sorrell skye

Good to see you again MommaD!!! It hasn't been the same without you! No one can fill up an entire page with posts quite like you can! LOL!!!

Why Thank you kindly Dear Ms. Sorrell.

[sadnpod]

Originally Posted by camcneishg

the sheds here on Debarry are all under another roof, a seperate roof....odd about your dream...I have lightened the pic some for you to see.....:

I think the ones on the other side by the apts have make shift roofs, I will go look when Im back in op

[Cheewawa007]

So MommaD, tell us....while you've been on vacation, did you come up with any theories or thoughts that you might want to share with us? Do you feel we've been spinning around and around in a circle traveling nowhere, or do you feel we're making some headway?

[LLLindsayy]

Originally Posted by sadnpod

Hi everyone.. I hope this works.. I will add videos later tonight, so this is the pics I took, I hope they make sense... I am not even an amateur photographer, so please remember that, especially the videos! If you see something that you want me to zoom on, let me know and I will add it. Now Im gonna go catch up... its been a he** of a day! If the pic is not dated, it was taken on 11/19. http://s977.photobucket.com/albums/a...2009/?start=40

In your picture of the men's room ceiling... Is that a camera on the ceiling? I assume it's some sort of sensor, but doesn't hurt to make sure.

[sadnpod]

Originally Posted by Cheewawa007

Alright, I've got my bic flicked, so get ready Human, here comes the flame (Just Kidding - I couldn't resist). I commend Diena for going to school to better herself (which in the long run would benefit her kids financially), holding down a full time job without going on welfare like so many do, trying to keep the children with her instead of relinquishing her parental rights & putting them in foster care. I'm certain her life was stressed.. h*ll; I had it tough juggling a full time job, ONE child & a husband. I can imagine the stress she was under. But the fact remains she was trying to better herself and the lives of her kids. My Dad didn't contact me in over two years & tried to blame my mother for his lack of being a father figure in my younger years. He had parental rights & could have exercised them any time he chose, but didn't. He was making no attempt to see me, nor was he paying my mother child support. She had to hire an attorney & fight to make him pay. My mom worked two jobs just to keep a roof over our heads and food on the table. She was never home because she was always working & yes, I was a latch key kid at a very early age. The alternative was to let the State take me & put me in foster care. But she didn't let that happen. I don't see my mother as being a bad parent - I see her as doing everything within her power to keep her child... she loved me that much! And sure - she had desires, wants and needs of her own. When she had the time, she would go to a party or out on a date... she was human; she was lonely... but she was far from a ho. So I guess it's safe to say I will defend Diena with every bit of strength in my fingertips.

I commend you for your defense of DT because I think you truly feel her pain in alot of areas, but not all single women are like your mother.

[MommaD]

Originally Posted by Cheewawa007

So MommaD, tell us....while you've been on vacation, did you come up with any theories or thoughts that you might want to share with us? Do you feel we've been spinning around and around in a circle traveling nowhere, or do you feel we're making some headway?

Not really.. just usual spin. enjoyed the sun and sand tho.. lol feels great between the toes. lol

[sadnpod]

Originally Posted by pinamia

DT wasn't your mom or you. She is Somer's mom and we still don't know if she played a role in her death. Remember even Caylee's mom could be defended by some. DT has not made it very easy for people to like her. Her association with crazy flaky people has been noted. Frankly, I feel her other kids are in danger. So you can defend her all you like that doesn't mean you are right about her. We can attack her all we want but that doesn't mean it's the truth either. All we know is that Somer is dead and she may not have been if DT provided adequate after school supervision.

Well spoken..

[ChickenPants]

Originally Posted by bkcrt

My daughter used to take dance class at a studio that was in an area label "industrial". Nice building. Cheap rent. It was surrounded by window companies, construction company and all kinds of industrial things. Anyway, at the back of the property there were dumpsters. People used to throw all kinds of things in and around the dumpster. Not just the people who worked or frequented the businesses.

Just MOO opinion on the dumpster discussion: I don't think the perp cared whether the dumpster chosen was appropriate or not. I think it was planned to kill her and put her in a dumpster nearest to the murder and get out of there. People put sofas outside of dumpsters and other things even when it's not "allowed". In my former apt. complex, people used to drive to our dumpsters from their neighborhoods and unload cars full of trash to avoid having to pay trash fees. She weighed 65 pounds and its not a real big deal to people heaving trash - they might think: gee this bag is heavy, but not necessarily stop and open it and look inside. That's if she was put in a bag.

[ChickenPants]

Originally Posted by Chatterbox

Hello everyone! I have only been a member here for a few days, and have been trying to review the past few threads in order not to post in a redundant or repetitive manner. I haven't gone back to the beginning, so if something I post has been discussed or put to rest, just let me know. I am not sure I understand the quote feature, so please bear with me as I get used to the protocol here. I have in common with all of you that I care very much about what happened to Somer, how and why. I am interested to know, if we can determine such things, whether Somer was a victim of a predator, neglect, an accident, etc. So, thanks for any help or understanding you are willing to provide!

It's nice to meet you, too. I am pretty new as well. I had a very hard time with the quotes and hit every button until people were kind enough to walk me through it. I am sure that as I write (sometimes prob too much) I have repeated things said before, but the people here really want the murder solved and are patient with "newbies". Even when they have done a lot of research and answered the same questions 100 times. You will probably get a lot out of being a part of this group. Good luck.

[Cheewawa007]

Originally Posted by sadnpod

I commend you for your defense of DT because I think you truly feel her pain in alot of areas, but not all single women are like your mother.

Never said all single women are like my mother. On the flip side, not all men are like my father either... or at least I hope not. Simply trying to make this fair and balanced - that's all. Don't judge a person until you've walked a mile in their moccasins - kwim? The only perfect person I know of died on the cross.

[sadnpod]

Originally Posted by Cheewawa007

Do you work in a hospice center or a nursing home? It takes a very special person to stay at this side of dying people. I did it with my very best friend in the whole wide world and also with my Mom... each experience was so different & something I will never, ever forget. It also changed me as a person...very hard to explain.

Once again the things we have in common here continue to astound me. I also took care of my very best friend in the whole wide world as she slowly passed away, another friends husband, my step father and have been a care taker for my mother when she has health issues (she is well now thank goodness). My sister also had cystic fibrosis and died at 19. It is very hard to explain, but it makes you appreciate all the small moments in life. BTW.. none of these people expressed body fluids at death. That happened usually days before. But it might be different in a violent sudden death.

[ChickenPants]

Originally Posted by Noway

New1, yeah, we have 95 gallon bins that are picked up by an arm too, so I am sure people throw things in that they shouldn't. And in OP, a dumpster is lifted by arms so it is not likely that anyone would know that there was something that shouldn't be in there in there.

Also, someone could have put Somer in the dumpster and someone else came in and threw their construction debris on top and the two are not related. If the dumpster is big (as in tall) enough (as were the ones in the industrial park where I worked) they wouldn't know what was in there ...

"Big, tall dumpster..." "Big tall perpetrator" Heaving 65 lbs overhead is harder than moving it at waist level or below. Strong guy.

[Noway]

Then again, the dumpster could have been smaller (like the secluded one in the link above from Sadnpod) and if she was put in a garbage bag, someone dumping construction debris might not think anything of it. And if you're dumping trash (construction debris) in a dumpster that is not yours, you're not stopping to look at the contents of the dumpster.

But to carry or lift Somer would have been hard, I agree with that. Maybe more than one person? (I don't think so but anything is possible.)

Just wondering if the construction debris would have been put in first, then Somer. When she was dumped from the truck, she would be first, and the debris on top. I guess they have to reverse order everything?

[human]

Originally Posted by sadnpod

Hi everyone.. I hope this works.. I will add videos later tonight, so this is the pics I took, I hope they make sense... I am not even an amateur photographer, so please remember that, especially the videos! If you see something that you want me to zoom on, let me know and I will add it. Now Im gonna go catch up... its been a he** of a day! If the pic is not dated, it was taken on 11/19. http://s977.photobucket.com/albums/a...2009/?start=40

I have to finish up work and I am here on my own time now. I just briefly looked at some of the pics.WowWowWowWow!!!!!!

Thank you!

[trigger]

Originally Posted by sadnpod

darn it.. I have to go back? I drove through there.. but didnt take pics.. Its these condos off gano past grove park before debarry on right, they have storage units in the back, but they also have surveillance video signs... no dumpster, its in the middle of the road in middle of condos. very visable.

Yes the condos off of Gano. I went on google earth and did not see any dumpsters but I lost patience with looking, my computer kept freezing up.

[Cheewawa007]

Originally Posted by sadnpod

Once again the things we have in common here continue to astound me. I also took care of my very best friend in the whole wide world as she slowly passed away, another friends husband, my step father and have been a care taker for my mother when she has health issues (she is well now thank goodness). My sister also had cystic fibrosis and died at 19. It is very hard to explain, but it makes you appreciate all the small moments in life. BTW.. none of these people expressed body fluids at death. That happened usually days before. But it might be different in a violent sudden death.

Well mine did express bodily fluids at the time of death immediately following the death rattle.

[sadnpod]

Originally Posted by houndstooth

If that's the case, did you take a look at the OPJH dumpster. Google map it, drive down, and do a 360*

I got a funny feeling when I did that earlier.

I couldnt take pics of it. But it is way in the back and has very easy access and low visability.

[ChickenPants]

Originally Posted by Noway

http://www.wesh.com/video/21451377/index.html
Somer's Killer May Have Cuts on Upper Body
Summary of what to look for as far as behavior exhibited by Somer's killer. (no specific link to video available but empty space to right of video is where it sometimes is; sometimes just below video)

At link, you can search for all videos with Somer Thompson, older than 30 days. Once you have those, you can sort by relevance or date (option on right).

I have always felt that the list Sheriff read from was just a standard profile of a perpetrator of this kind of crime. He read it at a place in the investigation when he wanted people to be on the lookout for a certain profile type which may include some, or many, but not necessarily all of the description. I never thought it was specific to Somer's murder, just a general protocol. If Somer had been grabbed suddenly from behind and smothered, she would not have been able to, for example, scratch or bite her killer. In fact, if she had put up a fight, I would think there would be evidence of struggle and someone would have heard something. MOO, thanks.

[trigger]

Originally Posted by ccane

When the sheriff said look for someone with cuts or bruses to the face, hand etc and a car hidden or sold is it possible this was a car accident and the person panicked.

Hmmm. I was thinking a knife was used. Notice they never said scratches though.

[human]

Originally Posted by LLLindsayy

In your picture of the men's room ceiling... Is that a camera on the ceiling? I assume it's some sort of sensor, but doesn't hurt to make sure.

A camera would make sense. What else could LE possibly go into the bathroom for and come out a few minutes later without hunkering down and scouring it for clues?

I like the idea of the camera and going in and removing the tape. Everything is under video surveillence and it seems like the bathroom would be a good spot for that.

I have to tell you a gross story. I know of a child that ate on one of those cakes they found in the men's bathroom. For real. Ugh. Maybe someone was hunkering for a cake. Had to say it.

[ChickenPants]

Originally Posted by Noway

Then again, the dumpster could have been smaller (like the secluded one in the link above from Sadnpod) and if she was put in a garbage bag, someone dumping construction debris might not think anything of it. And if you're dumping trash (construction debris) in a dumpster that is not yours, you're not stopping to look at the contents of the dumpster.

But to carry or lift Somer would have been hard, I agree with that. Maybe more than one person? (I don't think so but anything is possible.)

Just wondering if the construction debris would have been put in first, then Somer. When she was dumped from the truck, she would be first, and the debris on top. I guess they have to reverse order everything?

Picture in your mind the scene in Gone With The Wind when Rhett Butler in his alcohol-feuled anger grabs Scarlett, picks her up and runs up the stairs with her. Clark Gable had to do that several times to get a take that would print...now imagine a big strong guy hefting a little 65 lb. girl. With those in mind, I don't think it would be too hard to dump her, especially if the guy is pumped up on adrenaline after having killed her. The rest depends on whether she was in a bag or not, and it has been said that if she was in a bag, she wouldn't be seen (covering or not overhead) and that maybe the bag would deteriorate, rip whatever during the transport process from dumpster to landfill. Again, I just can't see people who do this job routinely being connected to what they are hauling or moving around. A lot of people have been killed, put in the trash and never found.

[LLLindsayy]

Originally Posted by human

A camera would make sense. What else could LE possibly go into the bathroom for and come out a few minutes later without hunkering down and scouring it for clues?

I like the idea of the camera and going in and removing the tape. Everything is under video surveillence and it seems like the bathroom would be a good spot for that.

I have to tell you a gross story. I know of a child that ate on one of those cakes they found in the men's bathroom. For real. Ugh. Maybe someone was hunkering for a cake. Had to say it.

I didn't think of it in that sense, but that's a good point. I think it's kinda creepy to have a camera in a bathroom, but at the same time, if they have it just pointing towards the door or sinks, I suppose it wouldn't be much of an issue. Not any more so than a camera in any other public place if it's not pointing at the stalls.