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Old 12-21-2009, 11:21 AM
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Old 12-21-2009, 12:38 PM
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Pg 2144 Acevedo's narrative report ends, "See original report for further details".

If this "original report" was released I'm willing to bet you'd know it. Will also ask 'nother friend or two also

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Interview with Brittany Schieber
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0925/17555345.pdf

Has activities at the house on 7/16

Nancy Grace interview with Brittany Schieber
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../25/ng.01.html

More activities at the house 7/16

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Old 12-21-2009, 03:53 PM
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Cindy called co-worker Debbie P evening of 7/15

no time noted but CA said LE was on the scene and talking with KC

(CA was screaming and feared Caylee was dead :-( )

http://www.wftv.com/news/18530380/detail.html
pdf page 7

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Old 12-21-2009, 04:43 PM
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Cindy called co-worker Debbie P. evening of 7/15

no time noted but CA said LE was on the scene and talking with KC

(CA was screaming and feared Caylee was dead :-( )

http://www.wftv.com/news/18530380/detail.html
pdf page 7
*abbreviated lastname*

Well, BeanE, I think you just solved a little mystery AZ and I have been noodlin' on

I haven't looked through the home phone records in awhile, but, we were looking @ Cindy's cell phone and wondering if the following calls were to/from an attorney:
7/15/2008 10:28 PM (407)***-6434 ORLANDO 2 minutes
7/15/2008 10:33 PM (407)***-6434 INCOMING 3 minutes
Dimes to doughnuts these are the calls to & from Debbie. The hysterics would make sense owing to the call being soon after LE's arrival. Hafta check the timing of Cindy's statement, but, IIRC, it was done before these calls.

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Old 12-21-2009, 05:40 PM
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Interview with Brittany Schieber
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0925/17555345.pdf

Has activities at the house on 7/16

Nancy Grace interview with Brittany Schieber
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../25/ng.01.html

More activities at the house 7/16
OK...re-reading...

1) Brittany saw G&C w/ the car in the driveway 7/15PM. That would've been before George left to go back to work.

2) Cindy visited Brittany @ her house MORNING of 7/16.
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Old 12-21-2009, 07:03 PM
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OK...re-reading...

1) Brittany saw G&C w/ the car in the driveway 7/15PM. That would've been before George left to go back to work.

2) Cindy visited Brittany @ her house MORNING of 7/16.
Also from those docs, Lee called Brittany twice on 7/16, although no times given. He complained to her both times that KC had given him fake phone numbers, e.g., gave him Brittany's phone number as being Juliette Lewis's number. So there was a period of time on 7/16 when Lee was busy going through calling people.
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Also from those docs, Lee called Brittany twice on 7/16, although no times given. He complained to her both times that KC had given him fake phone numbers, e.g., gave him Brittany's phone number as being Juliette Lewis's number. So there was a period of time on 7/16 when Lee was busy going through calling people.
Interesting...

First sign of Casey being dropped off @ G&C's 7/16AM is @ 6:48AM whence Casey takes up the text-fest w/ Tony.

THEN

It appears Casey begins trying to reach Brittany...reaching Brittany is Casey's highest priority after establishing a dialogue w/ Tony There is NO other cell contact between the two for the entire period 6/1-7/15.

First - a <1min call to Brittany @ 6:53AM...which I'm guessing went to vmail.
Then - a text message @ 9:42AM
Finally - Brittany responds @ 11:29AM and they have a text convo 'till 12:14PM just before Sgt. Allen picks Casey up to goto Universal

Here's the entire cell dialog between the two of them.

Date DOW Time Type From To Call Duration (min)
7/16/08 WED 6:53:49 AM OUTGOING CALL Casey Anthony Casey Anthony 1
7/16/08 WED 9:42:00 AM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Brittany Schieber
7/16/08 WED 11:27:55 AM INCOMING TEXT Brittany Schieber Casey Anthony
7/16/08 WED 11:28:25 AM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Brittany Schieber
7/16/08 WED 11:29:05 AM INCOMING TEXT Brittany Schieber Casey Anthony
7/16/08 WED 11:30:28 AM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Brittany Schieber
7/16/08 WED 11:30:39 AM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Brittany Schieber
7/16/08 WED 11:31:44 AM INCOMING TEXT Brittany Schieber Casey Anthony
7/16/08 WED 11:36:44 AM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Brittany Schieber
7/16/08 WED 11:38:11 AM INCOMING TEXT Brittany Schieber Casey Anthony
7/16/08 WED 11:38:42 AM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Brittany Schieber
7/16/08 WED 11:40:12 AM INCOMING TEXT Brittany Schieber Casey Anthony
7/16/08 WED 12:12:59 PM INCOMING TEXT Brittany Schieber Casey Anthony
7/16/08 WED 12:13:51 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Brittany Schieber
7/16/08 WED 12:14:40 PM INCOMING TEXT Brittany Schieber Casey Anthony

Brittany stated in the NG interview that Cindy's visit was in the "morning" of 7/16. Note that Brittany made no mention of a vmail to either LE in her interview, or to NG. Due to the texting back'n forth w/ Tony IMHO this is Casey's use of the phone...not Lee's during this timeframe. Would have to look @ the text messages w/ Tony that were released from that morning to confirm, IIRC, they provided the timestamps & content in the released docs.

Dunno what time Lee's calls to Brittany were that morning, but, perhaps Lee connecting the dots of "Juliette" = "Brittany" is what compelled Cindy's walk down the street that morning...which it seems may have been before 11:27AM 7/16. Would hafta check the G&C home phone records to see if Lee used it to call Brittany. If he used his own cell phone, well, we don't have those records.

FWIW...it seems Casey's next priority - behind reaching Brittany - was reaching Ryan. Immediately after finishing the 2hr call w/ Tony Casey placed a call to Ryan.

ETA: BeanE provided the text messages to Brittany below.

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Old 12-21-2009, 08:58 PM
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Will also post on the Pontiac sealing thread...but, unless Casey was multi-tasking the Pontiac was pretty safe from her interests for a block of just over 2hrs on the morning of 7/16.

Casey was on the phone w/ Tony for a marathon call 7:27AM-9:29AM

She was basically in continuous text mode the rest of the time.

Here are the times when she wasn't engaged in some activity w/ her phone for >5 mins
Date DOW Time Type From To Call Duration (min) Time to Next Event (min)

9:46:44 AM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Jamie Realander 5
9:55:06 AM INCOMING TEXT Jamie Realander Casey Anthony 7
10:04:30 AM INCOMING TEXT Jesse Grund Casey Anthony 11
10:21:04 AM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Jesse Grund 21
11:12:04 AM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Jenna Prentice 5
11:44:50 AM INCOMING CALL Yuri Melich Casey Anthony 0 9
11:53:24 AM INCOMING CALL Mark Hawkins Casey Anthony 4 10
12:06:33 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697720 Casey Anthony 6
12:14:40 PM INCOMING TEXT Brittany Schieber Casey Anthony 26

...and of course by 12:30PM she was gonzo w/ Sgt. Allen.
So...IF Cindy walked down to talk to Brittany <11:27AM and Casey was tied up on the phone def'n 'till 9:29AM...it appears to me the biggest "risk" to the Pontiac might've been @ 10:21AM's 21 minute period of cell inactivity...perhaps that was Casey's opportunity to shower that morning. One hopes. And, of course, George's whereabouts @ the time would have to be accounted.

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Old 12-22-2009, 06:16 AM
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Perhaps Cindy's cell activity 7/16 suggests a few things...
Date Time From To Duration (min)
7/16/2008 8:55 AM Cindy Ryan 5
7/16/2008 9:46 AM Debbie Cindy 8
7/16/2008 10:18 AM Cindy Yuri 3
7/16/2008 11:36 AM Cindy George 2
7/16/2008 12:48 PM Cindy Yuri 4
7/16/2008 1:42 PM Cindy (407)254-7222 2
Cindy's first cell call of the day was to Ryan. Was Cindy checking out a story Casey told her? Casey's 3rd priority was to call Ryan after reaching Tony and trying to reach Brittany that morning.

Cindy's second cell call of the day was from Debbie. Logical follow-up call from her supervisor to check on things.

Cindy's third cell call of the day was to Yuri. More than a few possibilities.

Cindy's fourth cell call of the day was to George. OK...this one is curious. Does this tell us George and/or Cindy were outta the house? (e.g. Cindy @ Brittany's?, George @ ?) Perhaps Cindy called George on her way back/after visiting Brittany to give him the scoop (that she didn't learn anything) from their conversation. Thinking Cindy's visit was before 11:27AM since that is the time Brittany finally replied to Casey via text...maybe something along the lines of..."WTF is going on?! Casey. Your Mom was just down here..." and they carried on for another 20 mins or so...which seems unlikely (not impossible) if Cindy was sitting there.

Need to look @ the home phone & George's cell phone records.

Cindy's fifth cell call of the day was to Yuri. Perhaps a, "What's gonna happen to Casey now that Sgt. Allen picked her up?" call...or...regarding the Pontiac.

Absence of calls to Lee. IIRC, Lee stayed around futzing w/ the computer to set-up the CayleeIsMissing website, etc. Need to check computer forensics, etc.

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Old 12-22-2009, 09:43 AM
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There is NO other cell contact between the two for the entire period 6/1-7/15.

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Although Brittany DID give her phone to LE...so AFAIK...the text messages between Brittany & Casey 7/16AM are another piece of evidence that has not been released
text messages july 16 pdf page 1
text messages july 7 pdf page 2
myspace messages june 9 to june 25 pdf page 3

http://cayleeanthony.files.wordpress...ieber-7-24.pdf
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Old 12-22-2009, 09:48 AM
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When Lee went to the garage, the garage door was open.
Just read in Cindy's state depo that she had the garage door open and was going in and out through it while Lee was talking to KC in KC's room.

Closed the window with the doc and didn't save the url first. Sorry.
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Old 12-22-2009, 11:30 AM
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Santa came early courtesy of Muzikman re: narrative from Fletcher...pg 2788
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Old 12-22-2009, 01:22 PM
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Santa came early courtesy of Muzikman re: narrative from Fletcher...pg 2788
Thank you, Bond and Muzikman.

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http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4320677/...ments-released

Charity Beasley's report
Sealed & impounded Pontiac
beginning on docstoc page 179, handwritten page 292

Lee Anthony handwritten statement pdf page 35
7/15 22:16 10:16pm Taken by Ryan Eberlin

George Anthony handwritten statement pdf page 39
7/15 22:16 10:16pm Taken by Adriana Acevedo

Casey Anthony handwritten statement pdf page 31
7/16 01:05 1:05am Taken by Ryan Eberlin

George Anthony verbal okay to take Pontiac pdf page 41
7/16 9:30pm signed by Awilda Torres-McBryde

Jesse Grund handwritten statement pdf page 43
Jesse got a call from friend Jeff 7/16 00:05 12:05am saying Jeff got a call from a deputy from KC's phone number
Jesse called KC on her phone and got Reggie Hosey

Sawgrass Apts Amanda Macklin statement pdf page 60
Amanda Macklin arrived at Sawgrass for work 7/16 at 8:45am. Yuri talked to her then

Yuri interview with KC at house pdf page 71
Recorded interview 7/16 04:11 4:11am
Yuri read KC's written statement and had a verbal interview with her prior to this recorded interview

Casey Anthony arrest affidavit pdf page 2
Filled out 7/16 at 20:09 8:09pm by Yuri Melich
Date/time of Casey Anthony's arrest 7/16 16:33 4:33pm
Adding...

Cindy Anthony handwritten statement pdf pages 34-35 (Lee pg 32)
7/15 22:11 10:11PM Taken by Adriana Acevedo

I'm going to suggest below that the LEO fills-in the time when the statement is finished, based on Lee's activity.

Just getting info down in quite a random manner, . FWIW...food for thought...mistakes for correcting later

Google Maps drive time from G&C's to Sawgrass ranges 13-17 mins depending on the route chosen. So...when D/S Acevedo made a round trip w/ Casey that carved out a minimum of 30 mins that Casey was not @ G&C's after LE's arrival and before Casey's statement was given @ 01:05 7/16.

So...depending on when statements are time stamped...since we know D/S Acevedo drove Casey to Sawgrass we know it had to be >10:16PM since Acevedo took G's statement. That would all work for Casey getting back to G&C's before Lee left ~11:50PM. IOW...earliest Casey could've been back would be ~10:50PM. I know...Captain Obvious @ work here.

Per JWG's 7/15 timeline (
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Ping Map for July 15, 2008 - Discuss that day only
) computer forensics support Lee being on the computer 10:15PM - 11:50PM.
  • Since Lee's statement is stamped 10:16PM...that suggests the LE is writing the time down upon completion.
  • That would also suggest Lee's time w/ Casey in the garage would've been almost immediately after LE arrived ~9:55PM so they could get Cindy's statement finished 10:11PM, IIRC, they were screaming @ each other.

Since Lee & George statements are stamped at the same time Eberlin signed Lee's statement and D/S Avecedo signed Cindy's...one scenario would be that...
  • Avecedo sent Casey away from Cindy and got Cindy started on her statement first...finishing @ 10:11PM, Avecedo signed.
  • Casey chose to be in the garage...as LE was focused on Cindy drama (understandable)
  • Eberlin was responsible for Lee...got him started or sent him away so Eberlin & Avecedo could focus on G&C.
  • Lee sought out Casey before or after he wrote his statement...while George started his statement
  • Lee came back into the house before George finished and Eberlin got Lee started or took his finished statement.
  • Lee and George finished their statements at about the same time. They gave them to Eberlin & Avecedo respectively to date & sign and Lee went onto the computer
  • Casey in the garage for at least a portion of this time after Lee went back in. Unclear what time LEO started getting her story.
  • Appears that getting Cindy calm & getting her statement took first priority...I can imagine she was hysterical as we heard on the 3rd 911 and Debbie attested on her 10:28PM call.

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Old 12-22-2009, 08:55 PM
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Oh hey wasn't Acevedo one of the same officers involved in the discovery of the remains? or one of Kronk's reports or something?
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Oh hey wasn't Acevedo one of the same officers involved in the discovery of the remains? or one of Kronk's reports or something?
Yes.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5232618/...vedo-Interview


She also went to high school with Lee.

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Nice work, Bond.

Lee says he got Amy's number from Cindy & called her to get Tony's number, then found KC in the garage, KC tells him about laptop/cell at Tony's, then he calls Tony to tell him he's coming for the laptop/cell. This doesn't make sense to me.

Why would he get Amy's number for the purpose of getting Tony's number if he hadn't yet had KC tell him about the laptop/cell?

There's something out of whack in his sequence of events - understandable - he was stressed. I believe him about the events that happened - just question his sequence.

I think he may have been filling out his statement when he lost track of where KC was. Then when done with his statement, found her in garage & talked to her, then got Amy's number from Cindy (she'd have been calmer & easier to get the number from by that time prolly), then called Tony.

ETA: I vote for LE time stamping witness statements when they're finished. Makes them all official like. But I don't have a clue really. :-)

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Movements of LE & KC

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4320677/...ments-released

begin pdf page 3

KC rode with Yuri and Deputy Sheriff to 'old folks home' Glenwood & Robinson, then Sawgrass, then Crossings at Conway town homes (Zanny's mother's home). Yuri then took KC home to Hopespring.

Yuri then talked with George who said KC was holding back info and that he and Cindy fear something had happened to Caylee.

Yuri then met with John Allen, then back to Sawgrass, then Universal

John Allen and Appie Wells went to Hopespring to get Kc, then to Universal with her

Yuri took KC to central operations, where KC was arrested, and then taken to the OC jail
BBM and snipped bm

Everytime I read about the sequence of the drive KC took Yuri on, I think about CA's day on June 15, 2008. She left Hopespring Dr. with Caylee and went to the Old Folk's Home to visit her father. Then CA went with Caylee to her mother's house. KC took Yuri by SG to symbolize the "nanny" as the one who was responsible for Caylee's care that day. We all know there wasn't a "nanny" but that CA cared for Caylee when KC wasn't caring for her the bulk of the time. Also CA claimed that she went to Universal looking for KC but KC wasn't there.
I can't get it out of my mind that CA tried to back away from the date of June 15 which was a day that placed her firmly in the care of Caylee to include picture evidence. Can someone please tell me why it is not possible that harm came to Caylee while under CA's care. I know that people say that KC would not take the blame for her mother but that's an opinion. KC stated that she fears CA the most out of all people. Why? What is that comment about? Also I know that GA says he saw KC and Caylee leave the morning of June 16 but we know that his story has changed and could be based on the week before as they originally all agreed upon the date of June 8 as having been the day they last saw Caylee.

I feel like I need to apologize for butting in here with an adverse angle regarding who may be ultimately responsible for Caylee's death but I can't let it go from my mind as a possibility of what may have happened and want/need proof that it didn't happen that way.

Other than the idea that nobody thinks that KC would cover for anybody else, why could it not have happened the way I describe above? Would LE have considered this possibility and outruled it? The weirder CA acted, the more I distrusted her. She walked out when they confirmed the death penalty because she has told KC that she could never be convicted because they know KC is innocent because CA is guilty. A possibility imo. Also this would explain why the family does not visit KC. Would you visit your daughter if you were causing her to sit in your place even for a month or two? Now it has been how long?

Maybe KC will tell an alternate story. I hope LE has concrete evidence or a testimony of some sort as to what really went down the day Caylee died or I'll always have my doubts about KC's parents largely because of their own behavior, their lies and their withholding of evidence that they have done.

Consider how easy it is for CA to lie and twist things and blame others without batting an eyelash. She never listens to the logic of others. It's her way or the highway. People accuse KC of showing no remorse but I can't say that I've ever witnessed any true grieving coming from CA either. If it were me, I know I would have broken down and shown some raw emotion many times over by now. I don't see any of that coming from any of them.
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Old 12-23-2009, 02:48 PM
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Nice work, Bond.

Lee says he got Amy's number from Cindy & called her to get Tony's number, then found KC in the garage, KC tells him about laptop/cell at Tony's, then he calls Tony to tell him he's coming for the laptop/cell. This doesn't make sense to me.

Why would he get Amy's number for the purpose of getting Tony's number if he hadn't yet had KC tell him about the laptop/cell?

There's something out of whack in his sequence of events - understandable - he was stressed. I believe him about the events that happened - just question his sequence.

I think he may have been filling out his statement when he lost track of where KC was. Then when done with his statement, found her in garage & talked to her, then got Amy's number from Cindy (she'd have been calmer & easier to get the number from by that time prolly), then called Tony.

ETA: I vote for LE time stamping witness statements when they're finished. Makes them all official like. But I don't have a clue really. :-)
Interesting observations, BeanE.

I agree...makes more sense that Lee & Casey talked first, THEN Lee got the number. However, I'd suggest he had to get the number from Cindy - not because she was calmer, cause she was still upset 10:28PM talking to Debbie - but because Cindy had the # from earlier call to Amy and because, based on the first calls home form jail to get Tony's #, Casey didn't know the #'s that were programmed into her phone from memory (I don't either )

Also hafta think about the timing of LE picking up the cell @ Tony's. If Casey was sending Lee after it...she either thought Lee would beat them there (unlikely IMHO) or she didn't know LE was going after it...or she hadn't talked to LE about it yet. IIRC it was in Fletcher's report that Casey indicated Caylee had called her ~noon. Perhaps that conversation happened after Lee & Casey spoke...and Fletcher acted on the obvious to get the phone picked up...eh?

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Interesting observations, BeanE.

I agree...makes more sense that Lee & Casey talked first, THEN Lee got the number. However, I'd suggest he had to get the number from Cindy - not because she was calmer, cause she was still upset 10:28PM talking to Debbie - but because Cindy had the # from earlier call to Amy and because, based on the first calls home form jail to get Tony's #, Casey didn't know the #'s that were programmed into her phone from memory (I don't either )

Also hafta think about the timing of LE picking up the cell @ Tony's. If Casey was sending Lee after it...she either thought Lee would beat them there (unlikely IMHO) or she didn't know LE was going after it...or she hadn't talked to LE about it yet. IIRC it was in Fletcher's report that Casey indicated Caylee had called her ~noon. Perhaps that conversation happened after Lee & Casey spoke...and Fletcher acted on the obvious to get the phone picked up...eh?
Argh! I forgot about Cindy still being upset at 10:28. Was thinking she calmed down after being separated from KC but you're right - she was still on overload.

Fletcher was at Sawgrass w/KC & Acevedo then KC & Acevedo left. He hung out at Sawgrass for a few, then maybe swung by Tony's to pick up the cell and was back at Hopespring by midnight per Jesse's noted calls then? Cindy told Debbie at 10:28 that LE was on the scene talking with KC. So Fletcher heads to Sawgrass maybe 10:30 or so and back by midnight. Take out drive time on the far end. Take out Sawgrass drive time on the front end. He's at Tony's maybe around 11 to 11:30? Does that work?

ETA: Well, Lee says LE got the phone about 11:

LA: I was never, I never held anything back from them. Because I had actually originally offered to go get the cell phone. And they had went prior to, I want to say about eleven o'clock and returned with the cell phone and started calling all the contacts.

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Argh! I forgot about Cindy still being upset at 10:28. Was thinking she calmed down after being separated from KC but you're right - she was still on overload.

Fletcher was at Sawgrass w/KC & Acevedo then KC & Acevedo left. He hung out at Sawgrass for a few, then maybe swung by Tony's to pick up the cell and was back at Hopespring by midnight per Jesse's noted calls then? Cindy told Debbie at 10:28 that LE was on the scene talking with KC. So Fletcher heads to Sawgrass maybe 10:30 or so and back by midnight. Take out drive time on the far end. Take out Sawgrass drive time on the front end. He's at Tony's maybe around 11 to 11:30? Does that work?

ETA: Well, Lee says LE got the phone about 11:

LA: I was never, I never held anything back from them. Because I had actually originally offered to go get the cell phone. And they had went prior to, I want to say about eleven o'clock and returned with the cell phone and started calling all the contacts.
I'm looking @ Tony's cell records now. Some interesting things there to shed some light...and maybe throw another wrinkle into things

Looks like LE had the phone <10:28PM @ Tony's, def'n after 10:07PM. And the phone was back @ G&C's <11:55PM.

Here's something intriguing. There were 3 calls from Lee's cell to Tony's cell 7/15.
  • 9:54PM
  • 10:25PM
  • 10:32PM

Notice anything?

More later.

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LE says Lee went to Tony's at 2. George says Lee went to Tony's at 1 or 2.

George's OCSO Interview of Aug 4 2008

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Perhaps Cindy's cell activity 7/16 suggests a few things...
Date Time From To Duration (min)
7/16/2008 8:55 AM Cindy Ryan 5
7/16/2008 9:46 AM Debbie Cindy 8
7/16/2008 10:18 AM Cindy Yuri 3
7/16/2008 11:36 AM Cindy George 2
7/16/2008 12:48 PM Cindy Yuri 4
7/16/2008 1:42 PM Cindy (407)254-7222 2
Cindy's first cell call of the day was to Ryan. Was Cindy checking out a story Casey told her? Casey's 3rd priority was to call Ryan after reaching Tony and trying to reach Brittany that morning.

Cindy's second cell call of the day was from Debbie. Logical follow-up call from her supervisor to check on things.

Cindy's third cell call of the day was to Yuri. More than a few possibilities.

Cindy's fourth cell call of the day was to George. OK...this one is curious. Does this tell us George and/or Cindy were outta the house? (e.g. Cindy @ Brittany's?, George @ ?) Perhaps Cindy called George on her way back/after visiting Brittany to give him the scoop (that she didn't learn anything) from their conversation. Thinking Cindy's visit was before 11:27AM since that is the time Brittany finally replied to Casey via text...maybe something along the lines of..."WTF is going on?! Casey. Your Mom was just down here..." and they carried on for another 20 mins or so...which seems unlikely (not impossible) if Cindy was sitting there.

Need to look @ the home phone & George's cell phone records.

Cindy's fifth cell call of the day was to Yuri. Perhaps a, "What's gonna happen to Casey now that Sgt. Allen picked her up?" call...or...regarding the Pontiac.

Absence of calls to Lee. IIRC, Lee stayed around futzing w/ the computer to set-up the CayleeIsMissing website, etc. Need to check computer forensics, etc.
I think George was very likely not at home when Cindy called his cell at 11:36 am on the 16th. George's cell records show he checked his messages at 11:38 am (presumably that was Cindy's call) and then immediately (still 11:38 am) called the Anthony home phone for 2 minutes. So I assume he was not at home at that time. And probably Cindy wasn't home either, or he would just have called her back on her cell. Which suggests he was calling Casey or Lee at the house in response to something Cindy said in her message.

George's Epass records show he was on the road just before noon on the 16th, taking the route that I believe we previously identified was his route to his brand-new job.

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[quote=BondJamesBond;4597819]I'm looking @ Tony's cell records now. Some interesting things there to shed some light...and maybe throw another wrinkle into things

Looks like LE had the phone <10:28PM @ Tony's, def'n after 10:07PM. And the phone was back @ G&C's <11:55PM.

Here's something intriguing. There were 3 calls from Lee's cell to Tony's cell 7/15.
  • 9:54PM
  • 10:25PM
  • 10:32PM


It was probably KC using Lee's phone to call Tony
 

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