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Old 12-22-2009, 09:10 PM
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ChaCha I'm so sorry for your loss... Your niece was such a beautiful young woman. My heart and prayers go out to you and your family. I hope they will quickly find and capture the person who had done this so you and your family will have closure.
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She reported she had been trying to escape abuse and stalking from the ex. The boyfriend came home and found her this way.
Please accept my sincere condolences over the loss of your niece, Lacey.

Violence against women in this country is grossly out of control. In Lacey's case, I don't think we have any choice but to point the finger at the ex. She had a 2009 order of protection (OP) against him for stalking, abuse, and threats.

I don't care if her ex passed a LDT. I don't care if he has an alibi. He's the one with the motive. I hope the police are simply stalling until they have gathered enough evidence to nail him. He may have hired someone else to commit the deed, but surely he was behind it.

May the peace of the Lord descend on you and all of Lacey's family and friends. The truth shall be revealed.
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I am so shocked and saddened to read this. Especially knowing some of what your daughter has experienced. My prayers to you and your family and for swift justice.

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Old 12-23-2009, 12:46 AM
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ChaCha, so sorry to hear about your neice. My prayers for you and your family.

I have more questions than anything.

First, where was she found? If in the home, was there any sign of the home being broken into? If someone came to the door, would she look before she opened it? How many doors into the residence? Was there any signs of disturbance in the home, even if nothing broken just misplaced? Another resource for asking questions is the mortuary that prepared her for burial. Usually they won't discuss the injuries unless the family directly asks questions. Ask because sometimes some bruises won't show up for 24-48 hours after death. Family can request a copy of the autopsy. It may or may not be released to the family, but it is worth a try (sometimes they can't release it on an active investigation.) The death certificate will also have some discription of the injuries.

Here is my reasoning for the questions. It sounds like she was hit with a blitz attack. If she was found at the entrance, then it most likely happened when she went to answer the door. If she was found away from the entrance, then either she with someone she knew or she could have been running from someone (but if she was running toward another entrance, then I would have expected more defensive injuries, when she got caught.) Even the smallest injury on the hands and arms is considered a defensive wound, so a small bruise or nick is defensive.) If she was in the habit of checking before she answered the door, then you can almost bet that it wasn't the ex or anyone else she was afraid of.

Check her cell phone records. Who has she been making calls to and receiving calls from recently? Talk to her girl friends. Family may know a lot, but everyone has things they don't want to mention to family. Has she been making complaints about the bf, or anyone else? When was her last contact with the ex? What was the attitude then?

Listen closely to the current BF's discription of events. Where was he when it happened?

Try to find out if both the knife and the cord or rope came from the home. Did police get any usable fingerprints? And were any from anyone outside the home/.

At this stage, don't rule anyone in or out.

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Old 12-23-2009, 12:49 AM
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Cha Cha - my heartfelt prayers to you and your family. I'm so very sorry.

I don't believe LE should be quite so quick to dismiss the ex BF. He may not be the killer, but my guess is he knows what happened and why.
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Old 12-23-2009, 01:09 AM
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ChaCha - my thoughts are with you and your family. I am so sorry you have lost your beautiful neice (and she is a beauty).

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ChaCha, so sorry to hear about your neice. My prayers for you and your family.

I have more questions than anything.

First, where was she found? If in the home, was there any sign of the home being broken into? If someone came to the door, would she look before she opened it? How many doors into the residence? Was there any signs of disturbance in the home, even if nothing broken just misplaced? Another resource for asking questions is the mortuary that prepared her for burial. Usually they won't discuss the injuries unless the family directly asks questions. Ask because sometimes some bruises won't show up for 24-48 hours after death. Family can request a copy of the autopsy. It may or may not be released to the family, but it is worth a try (sometimes they can't release it on an active investigation.) The death certificate will also have some discription of the injuries.

Here is my reasoning for the questions. It sounds like she was hit with a blitz attack. If she was found at the entrance, then it most likely happened when she went to answer the door. If she was found away from the entrance, then either she with someone she knew or she could have been running from someone (but if she was running toward another entrance, then I would have expected more defensive injuries, when she got caught.) Even the smallest injury on the hands and arms is considered a defensive wound, so a small bruise or nick is defensive.) If she was in the habit of checking before she answered the door, then you can almost bet that it wasn't the ex or anyone else she was afraid of.

Check her cell phone records. Who has she been making calls to and receiving calls from recently? Talk to her girl friends. Family may know a lot, but everyone has things they don't want to mention to family. Has she been making complaints about the bf, or anyone else? When was her last contact with the ex? What was the attitude then?

Listen closely to the current BF's discription of events. Where was he when it happened?

Try to find out if both the knife and the cord or rope came from the home. Did police get any usable fingerprints? And were any from anyone outside the home/.

At this stage, don't rule anyone in or out.
Thank you very much for your insight. Every time I come to Wesleuths and read an entry it makes me think. I appreciate your help greatly.

This is what I know, A friend told me the police said there was no evidence of forced entry, nothing was disturbed. nothing was stolen. The murder weapon was from the kitchen and was laying next to her.

Lacey was always cautious as she had been stalked for over a year by her ex-boyfriend.
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Old 12-23-2009, 08:56 AM
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So, if Lacey is a fighter and there were no signs of a struggle, no signs of forced entry (if she were asleep she wouldn't be able to let anyone in the house), then it must be someone that has a key (the new boyfriend? a maintenance man? manager of the apt. bldg.?). If Lacey did let this person in, then she must have felt comfortable enough with them to fall asleep. If she allowed someone in and they subdued her with a chemical or some type of hit then there would be evidence, right? A bump to the head or a sign of where she tried to remove someone's hand from her face (if they were using a chemical).

ChaCha, I'm so sorry. I have a nineteen year old daughter and I can't imagine losing her. I don't think I could go on. Continued prayers for you and your family.

How is Lacey's little one doing?
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Old 12-23-2009, 09:14 AM
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I've written about Lacey in my blog which you can read at http://www.websleuths.com/forums/blog.php?b=580
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Can you tell us of anything she may have said to the grandmother? It says she dropped the child off there fearing for his personal safty, soshe had to have said something.
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Old 12-23-2009, 09:26 AM
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So, if Lacey is a fighter and there were no signs of a struggle, no signs of forced entry (if she were asleep she wouldn't be able to let anyone in the house), then it must be someone that has a key (the new boyfriend? a maintenance man? manager of the apt. bldg.?). If Lacey did let this person in, then she must have felt comfortable enough with them to fall asleep. If she allowed someone in and they subdued her with a chemical or some type of hit then there would be evidence, right? A bump to the head or a sign of where she tried to remove someone's hand from her face (if they were using a chemical).

ChaCha, I'm so sorry. I have a nineteen year old daughter and I can't imagine losing her. I don't think I could go on. Continued prayers for you and your family.

How is Lacey's little one doing?
It's been horrible. For 3 years I have feared my child or grandchildren would have been killed. My blog posts. Then this happens to Lacey.

I don't know anymore than what I was read from the 1st responders report.

My guess is someone was waiting or came in without her knowledge. They strangled her, so she was unconscious, then finished the job by cutting her throat. They were there for one purpose. They didn't sexually assault her. They didn't try to take anything. They left her to be found. They just as quietly left as the entered.

They planned and executed this. They knew her and her habits. They knew she'd fight back. IMHO It has to be a non-stranger crime.

I know Lacey would have fought back. She wouldn't let anyone take her life easily. I have heard even when she sported black eyes and bruises she would say you should have seen her ex and she would add I won't let him steal my spirit.

Someone did steal her life. Her spirit is with Jesus now.
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Old 12-23-2009, 09:39 AM
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Can you tell us of anything she may have said to the grandmother? It says she dropped the child off there fearing for his personal safty, soshe had to have said something.
I spoke to the Grandmother and she told me Lacey had called her from the Dr office asking if she would keep the baby. She told her she would.

Later on I heard from another person Lacey had said she and her current boyfriend had been arguing. Lacey use to call me and she told me when they argued it would be about her ex. I also heard that the new boyfriend was jealous.

There was also some speculation that she may have been pregnant and even secretly married.

These are all just second hand remarks and should in no way be construed as the truth. I am not a professional just her Aunt Cherry.

The police have said they have a strong suspect and are in the collecting stages of the investigation. They're waiting on the cell phone records.

The police are looking at where she might have gone to the hospital for previous acts of abuse. Lacey told me she went just not where.

Crimestoppers had put out a $1000 reward. Lacey's family has requested that the posters use a better photo and be printed in Spanish as well as English.

There was an OP in Crete, IL. The Crete police had placed a trap on Lacey's old phone. She went one day her ex was threatening her and the det spoke to him and told him to leave her alone or he would be arrested.

I turned over all old emails and a few text messages she had forwarded me.
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Old 12-23-2009, 09:49 AM
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I am truly sorry for your loss, Cha Cha, I would have faith in LE at this point. They sound like they are doing everything they can, and are just not releasing too much info until they have it wrapped up. He won't get away with it. I am very sorry.
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If the ex asked for the pat. test then that means at some point he was questioning if he was the father of the boy, and more then likely that was do to the fact he found out he would have to pay child support for this boy.

Sadly I have seen case's where mothers are killed just for that simple fact...dad does not want to pay.

I wonder what his alibi is ? Do you have any idea....
The ex knew he was the boys father. He needed to prove parentage to get visitation. Lacey didn't want him to have access to the baby becuase she was afraid he would take him to Mexico. And she asked me how could she trust him with the baby knowing what he had done to her and was capable of.

He did it pro-se with the section about child support left out. In the documents he admits to having sex with Lacey while she was a minor.

Lacey even went to the police and asked if he could be arrested for statutory rape. But they sadly said it would be too difficult.

As Lacey grew up she began to realize she had been taken advantage of.

I was told by a detective that many older (her ex was 10 yrs her senior) latino men come to the US in search of young girls because they are easier to fool and manipulate.

Lacey worked 3 jobs at times and when she was with her ex she told me she regularly sent money to Mexico.
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The way she was killed definitely says it was someone she knew; strangling and stabbing are both personal. No sign of forced entry likely means she let them in or they had a key.

They didn't bring their own weapon, and the way she was killed seems to be very angry, so I am willing to bet that the initial intention of the killer was not to kill her, at least not from the start. She may have said or done something that angered him, and he exploded.

I would be ready to hang the ex, too, but I would like to dig a little more. Sexual assault is a very common way for a man to exert control over someone, especially someone that the man feels shouldn't have been out of their life to begin with. From what has been described about him, I find it hard to believe he wouldn't assault her unless he felt he was short on time.

Were there any signs of remorse: attempts to cover her or leaving anything near her body?
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ChaCha, I've heard of many illegals from Mexico getting involved with underage girls. We have a large community of Mexicans (not sure if they're legal or not) here. Whenever I go with my daughter to Wal-Mart (she looks maybe thirteen, not nineteen) they stare at her to the point where I want to poke their eyes out. I guess it's something about their culture where they don't see it as a problem, dating younger girls.
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ChaCha...do you know if the parentage test had went through and what the results were ?
I believe the parentage test turned into a family court case over visitation. I am not sure what happened.

The court case was at the Markham court. You can searchand see the case if you look under Lacey Gaines defendant. http://www.cookcountyclerkofcourt.or...EINFOPage=2400

In the petition he admits having sex with Lacey while she was under the age of legal consent. He filed this petition PRO-SE in the Cook County, 6th District Court in Markham, IL.

This was stated in the newspaper article by James Pluta http://www.desplainesvalleynews.com/...ntinues121.php

I had heard this ex-boyfriend 5 yrs ago had shot a weapon at or shot someone in Schaumburg, IL. A Det Cortese from Hanover Hills confirmed this. I have asked why he was not brought up on charges for this but have not gotten an answer.

It might have been determined to be an accidental shooting. Rumor was he shot at his ex's new boyfriend. He has an ex and a 5 yr old daughter.
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The way she was killed definitely says it was someone she knew; strangling and stabbing are both personal. No sign of forced entry likely means she let them in or they had a key.

They didn't bring their own weapon, and the way she was killed seems to be very angry, so I am willing to bet that the initial intention of the killer was not to kill her, at least not from the start. She may have said or done something that angered him, and he exploded.

I would be ready to hang the ex, too, but I would like to dig a little more. Sexual assault is a very common way for a man to exert control over someone, especially someone that the man feels shouldn't have been out of their life to begin with. From what has been described about him, I find it hard to believe he wouldn't assault her unless he felt he was short on time.

Were there any signs of remorse: attempts to cover her or leaving anything near her body?
If he had become angry she would have fought back there were no defensive wounds. This was a premeditated murder. That's it. Someone wanted her found dead. Yes I agree the cutthroat and strangulation sends a message, one that they are an experienced killer who knows how to get the job done. Two they didn't bring anything with them which would tie them to the crime. Lacey was a good cook and would have had a good set of knives. Three what would be the motive for the killing?

I am not a PI and I am not a professional. But from my perspective the ex stood to loose his connection to the US, his source of income and his connection to what may be considered by some a somewhat wealthy family. This new boyfriend was taking all he had worked hard to get and keep.

I fear for my brother's family and the little boy.

Again this is all just speculation by me and doesn't reflect any evidence or police information.

What would be motive for the new boyfriend? I can think of only one jealousy and the murder is so quick and clean it doesn't appear to be a crime of passion but one that was carefully planned out and executed.
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I'd like to add if you do a seach for the name of the ex. He goes by a different name and I was told was arrested under that different name in 2000 for unlawful firing of weapon in Schaumburg, IL.

The engraved wedding invites also had the first name spelled with an e instead of an o.

If anyone can help in finding information I'd greatly appreciate it.
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I have been trying to search criminal records under his name, but hadn't come up with anything. That could be why.
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She sounds like a very trusting girl with a big heart. I am sure she will be missed.
Yes she was extremely kind hearted. When she was 15 she went to France to visit with the family of a foreign exchange student who had stayed with her family.

It was after that visit that she went to work for her uncle's restaurant and met her ex. 10 years her senior.

A dear french friend spoke to her the friday before her murder (mon).
Lacey reportedly said she loved her current boyfriend. They made plans to all reunite sometime this coming summer.

Lacey leaves a large loving family and a large group of friends which reach around the world.

She was working hard to turn her life around after having a child out of wedlock. She spoke about becoming and interpretor for a company or teaching English. She wanted to go to college and had plans for a future.
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It sounds to me as if someone was waiting for her in her apartment when she returned from the doctor appointment. My guess would be more than one assailant. This would help to explain why she didn't have defensive or offensive wounds.

I am wondering if the neighbors saw or heard anything, but are refusing to talk out of fear. Certainly the ex would be a HUGE suspect! I also think that he would have brought help with him, knowing how well your niece could fight!

I have a feeling the phone records will be the turning point, as she had to be fearful to ask her parents to keep her son overnight.

I am very happy that she was blessed to have you as her Auntie, and pray for swift justice in the apprehension and prosecution of her killer(s).

God bless you and your family. Lacey TWA.
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