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Old 01-08-2010, 12:33 AM
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I just posted on the last thread a listing of Moore death certificates with the counties. If anyone has time, would you research 1-2 counties looking for civil/mortgage transactions by the name - and then post. If you google the county with "clerk of courts," you should be able to find the site and link to view court records online.

Check if there are probate filings; documents are are sealed but you can view the party names.

We have been concentrating on Polk and Hillsborough but there may be other counties where they are buying properties.

We might find a clue by knowing where Dee & James are spending time - even a chance that Abraham was brought to that area.
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These are the ones I am interested in. I put them pretty much in order and deleted duplicates.
Some are just too odd for multiples in a yr much less within days.

MOORE DORIS ROBERTA 02/10/1988 Death Certificte LEE 2404431 1969/1478
MOORE DORIS ELEANOR 07/30/1991 DEATH CERTIFICATE COLLIER ST
MOORE DORIS E 08/24/1993 DEATH CERTIFICATE MARION 1993057921 1953/457
MOORE DORIS VIRGINIA 02/08/1995 DEATH CERTIFICATE BRADFORD 1995079523
MOORE DORIS M 08/21/1997 CERTIFICATE DEATH HILLSBOROUGH 97216787 8683/357
MOORE DORIS 09/05/2007 Death Certificate LEE 2007000275299 0/0
MOORE DORIS 09/23/2003 DEATH CERTIFICATE HILLSBOROUGH 2003400693 13128/1622
MOORE DORIS M 09/22/2006 DEATH CERTIFICATE HOLMES 115930 401/253
MOORE DORIS 03/28/2008 DEATH CERTIFICATE SUMTER 2008 8314 1924/406

MOORE DOROTHY JANE 05/13/1987 DEATH CERTIFICATE PALM BEACH 19870141704
MOORE DOROTHY G 07/14/1987 DEATH CERTIFICATE PASCO 1987368618 1624/1452
MOORE DOROTHY KATHERINE 11/07/1990 DEATH CERTIFICATE PALM BEACH 19900320487
MOORE DOROTHY O 12/03/1991 CERTIFICATE DEATH HILLSBOROUGH 91245446
MOORE DOROTHY T 03/28/1991 DEATH CERTIFICATE HIGHLANDS
MOORE DOROTHY E 05/09/1991 DEATH CERTIFICATE ORANGE 19913777777 4285/2924
MOORE DOROTHY F NONE 06/26/1992 DEATH CERTIFICATE SARASOTA 92073994
MOORE DOROTHY MAE 03/23/1993 DEATH CERTIFICATE PINELLAS 8212/1674
MOORE DOROTHY MAE 12/01/1994 CERTIFICATE OF DEATH X LEVY 276099 542/342
MOORE DOROTHY KATHERINE 05/05/1995 DEATH CERTIFICATE OSCEOLA 95046991
MOORE DOROTHY A 12/04/1996 DEATH CERTIFICATE VOLUSIA 1996205708 4159/2162
MOORE DOROTHY E 05/09/1997 DEATH CERTIFICATE POLK 97063331 3838/1179
MOORE DOROTHY M 10/08/1998 Death Certificte (off Web) CHARLOTTE 595149
MOORE DOROTHY PEREIRA 04/01/1999 DEATH CERTIFICATE BREVARD 1999064437 3989
MOORE DOROTHY PEREIRA 08/06/1999 DEATH CERTIFICATE BREVARD 1999157569
MOORE DOROTHY PEREIRA 06/07/1999 DEATH CERTIFICATE BREVARD 1999113526
MOORE, DOROTHY VIRGINIA 11/05/1999 DEATH CERTIFICATE OSCEOLA 99159323 1671
MOORE DOROTHY JESSEN IN RE 12/13/2000 DEATH CERTIFICATE HERNANDO 2000056037
MOORE DOROTHY HELEN 12/20/2001 DEATH CERTIFICATE BAY 2001070735 2098/269
MOORE DOROTHY I 12/12/2002 DEATH CERTIFICATE POLK Michigan
MOORE DOROTHY JOHNSON 07/03/2002 Death Certificte LEE 5496443 3680/1120
MOORE DOROTHY ELEANOR 09/26/2002 LEE 5576817 3736/4544
MOORE DOROTHY 06/24/2002 DEATH CERTIFICATE POLK 2002114413 5041/875
MOORE DOROTHY I 03/07/2003 DTH CTF CITRUS 2003013100 1579/1506 MICHIGAN
MOORE DOROTHY I 04/01/2003 DTH CTF CITRUS 2003018645 1587/736
MOORE DOROTHY MARIE 04/27/2007 DEATH CERT HERNANDO 2007028851 2433/1451
MOORE DOROTHY C 11/04/2008 DEATH CERTIFICATE MARION 2008109536


MOORE JAMES JUNIOR 11/15/1990 CERTIFICATE DEATH HILLSBOROUGH 90243032
MOORE JAMES P 04/08/1992 Death Certificte (off Web) CHARLOTTE 160354 1210/1152
MOORE JAMES FRANKLIN 10/21/1997 DEATH CERTIFICATE BAY 1997049421 1744/65
MOORE JAMES DAVID 03/01/1997 DEATH CERTIFICATE BREVARD 1997034946 3649/4205
MOORE JAMES HOYT 06/21/2001 Death Certificte (off Web) CHARLOTTE 822870 1909/494
MOORE JAMES D 05/04/2001 CERTIFICATE DEATH HILLSBOROUGH 2001141426 10779/696
MOORE JAMES 08/12/2002 DEATH CERTIFICATE HILLSBOROUGH 2002271522 11846/672
MOORE JAMES E JR DEC 06/06/2003 DEATH CERT HERNANDO 2003036343 1676/1944
MOORE JAMES 03/27/2003 DEATH CERTIFICATE HILLSBOROUGH 2003116164 12478/1338
MOORE JAMES L JR 05/08/2006 DEATH CERTIFICATE HILLSBOROUGH 2006223365
MOORE JAMES C 11/13/2007 Death Certificate LEE 2007000337984 0/0
MOORE JAMES H 03/12/2007 DEATH CERTIFICATE JACKSON 2007003758 1131/229
MOORE JAMES EDWARD EST 02 39 CP 06/12/2008 MARTIN
MOORE JAMES ELBERT 05/05/2009 DEATH CERTIFICATE PALM BEACH



MOORE MARY L 07/12/2000 Death Certificte LEE 4917662 3278/2678
MOORE MARY KATHRYN 07/07/2003 DEATH CERTIFICATE BAY 2003048102 2303/2375 GA
MOORE MARY F 03/01/2005 Death Certificte LEE 6668986 4608/2366
MOORE MARY RUTH 03/29/2005 Death Certificte LEE 6711499 4643/2021
MOORE MARY J 06/06/2005 DEATH CERTIFICATE LAKE 2005083762 2851/1746
MOORE MARY M DEC 04/10/2006 DEATH CERTIFICATE MANATEE 20062298429 2115/6616
MOORE MARY ALICE 01/29/2008 Death Certificate LEE 2008000025107
MOORE MARY LEE 08/19/2008 DEATH CERTIFICATE VOLUSIA 2008166581
MOORE, MARY LOUISE 01/02/2009 Death Certificte (off Web) CHARLOTTE

MOORE PATRICIA A 06/28/1990 DEATH CERTIFICATE POLK 90074404 2869/1830
MOORE PATRICIA P 06/15/1990 CERTIFICATE DEATH HILLSBOROUGH 90128865 6004/1343
MOORE PATRICIA GRACE 06/10/1991 DEATH CERTIFICATE MARION 1991036094
MOORE PATRICIA A 02/17/1999 DEATH CERTIFICATE ESCAMBIA 1999580538 4373/316
MOORE PATRICIA M 12/17/2003 DEATH CERTIFICATE MANATEE 20031884910 1888/7405
MOORE PATRICK 02/02/2005 CERTIFICATE OF DEATH X LEVY 441059 927/623
MOORE PATRICIA ANN EX PARTE 02/17/2006 DEATH CERTIFICATE PUTNAM 574034
MOORE PATRICIA E 10/31/2006 Death Certificate ORANGE 20060718922 8945/658
MOORE PATRICIA GREENE & Harry 04/02/2008 DEATH CERT HERNANDO 2
MOORE PATRICIA M 05/13/2009 DEATH CERTIFICATE PASCO 2009066025 8083/374
MOORE PATRICIA Y 04/10/2009 DEATH CERTIFICATE SARASOTA 2009042760 0/0
MOORE PATRICIA 07/17/2009 DEATH CERTIFICATE PASCO 2009098814 8129/325

MOORE PHYLLIS M 02/09/1983 DEATH CERTIFICATE PALM BEACH 19830023485 3878/256
MOORE PHYLLIS A 03/21/1988 DEATH CERTIFICATE PALM BEACH 19880073539 5609/777
MOORE PHYLLIS E 02/09/1989 Death Certificte (off Web) CHARLOTTE 1989102002063
MOORE PHYLLIS JANE 06/03/1998 DEATH CERTIFICATE HERNANDO 1998023698 1197/870
MOORE PHYLLIS ANN 03/19/1999 DEATH CERTIFICATE BREVARD 1999054641 3982/2948
MOORE PHYLLIS JEAN 08/09/2000 CERTIFICATE OF DEATH X LEVY 359209 718/327
MOORE PHYLLIS S 07/11/2002 DEATH CERTIFICATE SARASOTA 2002113031 0/0
MOORE PHYLLYS 08/07/2003 DEATH CERTIFICATE VOLUSIA 2003192363 5134/130
MOORE PHYLLIS J 03/6/2003 DEATH CERTIFICATE LAKE 2003036335 2284/2456
MOORE PHYLLIS J 08/25/2003 DEATH CERTIFICATE LAKE 2003106776 2391/779
MOORE PHYLLIS JEAN EX PARTE 05/07/2003 DEATH CERTIFICATE PUTNAM 466671 934/1058
MOORE PHYLLIS 05/05/2009 DEATH CERTIFICATE PALM BEACH 20090150133 23212/1885

MOORE ROBERT J 11/04/2008 Death Certificte (off Web) CHARLOTTE 1805055 3335/2179
MOORE ROBERT LEE 09/26/2008 DEATH CERTIFICATE GADSDEN 080010852 701/1721
MOORE ROBERT LOUIS 11/13/2009 DEATH CERTIFICATE ESCAMBIA 2009077953
MOORE ROBERT YOHO 03/19/2009 DEATH CERTIFICATE SUMTER 2009
MOORE ROBERT DEWEY JR 02/13/2009 DEATH CERTIFICATE LAKE 2009015485 3731/1898
MOORE ROBERT H PUBLIC 05/01/2009 DEATH CERTIFICATE MARTIN 2144490 2388/178

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This might be helpful to post early in this thread. Shows you how the counties relate to each other geographically.

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Still reading and marvelling at the quick minds and data sleuthers. I can't add anything, but please know that I continue to read every day and to applaud your great efforts! At one time I thought this case could be a TV movie, but the longer it goes on, I realize it would have to be a series!
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Kenneth & Karen DiSalvo Identities

I'll keep adding research to this post:

17810 Morninghigh Dr Lutz, FL - Property History
7/23/08 Grantor:Joseph Glynn Maloney Dec'd & Mary Ann Maloney..Grantee: Kenneth C & Karen J Disalvo
DiSalvo's previous address was 11711 Moffat Ave Tampa, FL
12/31/87 - Grantor: Ronald Alan Massey & Mary Donovan...Grantee: Joseph Glynn & Mary Ann Maloney
10/8/79 - Grantor: Suncoast Bldrs Corp...Grantee: Mary Donovan & Ronald Alan Massey

MALONEY JOSEPH GLYNN 02/11/1999 CERTIFICATE DEATH HILLSBOROUGH
MALONEY JOSEPH P 05/21/1992 DEATH CERTIFICATE ORANGE
MALONEY JOSEPH JOHN 10/02/2001 DEATH CERTIFICATE SARASOTA
MALONEY, JOSEPH M 06/15/1994 DEATH CERTIFICATE ST. LUCIE
MALONEY MARY ANN 08/31/1992 DEATH CERTIFICATE PASCO

11711 Moffet Ave Tampa, FL - Property History
12/27/90 Grantor: Steven D & Adrienne P Kapplin...Grantor: Joey P & Lorna L Spinks (wife)
12/13/93 Grantor: Joey P, Hannya R (wife), Lorna L Spinks..Grantor: Joey P & Hannya R Spinks

Lorna Lareece Spinks (Fales) 2/22/55 (FL) 3 previous marriages; last ended 5/26/92 (from ML)
4/15/94 Married David Bruce Heiderman 2/23/55 (MN) 2 previous marriages; last ended 5/28/92

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Omg... this is outrageous! Ok, I snipped some here... so that I can comment and/or ask ya some questions about them. I'll insert my questions/comments with red... within what I snipped from your quoted info. Also, I may or may not come back to this post to add some more questions for ya... hope that ok.

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These are the ones I am interested in. I put them pretty much in order and deleted duplicates.
Some are just too odd for multiples in a yr much less within days.

(after AS won lotto)
MOORE DORIS 09/05/2007 Death Certificate LEE 2007000275299 0/0
MOORE DORIS 03/28/2008 DEATH CERTIFICATE SUMTER 2008 8314 1924/406

(These 3... the supposed 'person' died 3 times within 5 months of the same year... that supposed to be believed... to establish new/identities)
MOORE DOROTHY PEREIRA 04/01/1999 DEATH CERTIFICATE BREVARD 1999064437 3989
MOORE DOROTHY PEREIRA 08/06/1999 DEATH CERTIFICATE BREVARD 1999157569
MOORE DOROTHY PEREIRA 06/07/1999 DEATH CERTIFICATE BREVARD 1999113526

(after lotto)
MOORE DOROTHY MARIE 04/27/2007 DEATH CERT HERNANDO 2007028851 2433/1451
MOORE DOROTHY C 11/04/2008 DEATH CERTIFICATE MARION 2008109536



(after lotto)
MOORE JAMES C 11/13/2007 Death Certificate LEE 2007000337984 0/0
MOORE JAMES H 03/12/2007 DEATH CERTIFICATE JACKSON 2007003758 1131/229
MOORE JAMES EDWARD EST 02 39 CP 06/12/2008 MARTIN
MOORE JAMES ELBERT 05/05/2009 DEATH CERTIFICATE PALM BEACH



(after lotto)
MOORE MARY ALICE 01/29/2008 Death Certificate LEE 2008000025107
MOORE MARY LEE 08/19/2008 DEATH CERTIFICATE VOLUSIA 2008166581
MOORE, MARY LOUISE 01/02/2009 Death Certificte (off Web) CHARLOTTE


(all below after lotto too)
MOORE PATRICIA GREENE & Harry 04/02/2008 DEATH CERT HERNANDO 2
MOORE PATRICIA M 05/13/2009 DEATH CERTIFICATE PASCO 2009066025 8083/374
MOORE PATRICIA Y 04/10/2009 DEATH CERTIFICATE SARASOTA 2009042760 0/0
MOORE PATRICIA 07/17/2009 DEATH CERTIFICATE PASCO 2009098814 8129/325


MOORE PHYLLIS 05/05/2009 DEATH CERTIFICATE PALM BEACH 20090150133 23212/1885

MOORE ROBERT J 11/04/2008 Death Certificte (off Web) CHARLOTTE 1805055 3335/2179
MOORE ROBERT LEE 09/26/2008 DEATH CERTIFICATE GADSDEN 080010852 701/1721
MOORE ROBERT LOUIS 11/13/2009 DEATH CERTIFICATE ESCAMBIA 2009077953
MOORE ROBERT YOHO 03/19/2009 DEATH CERTIFICATE SUMTER 2009
MOORE ROBERT DEWEY JR 02/13/2009 DEATH CERTIFICATE LAKE 2009015485 3731/1898
MOORE ROBERT H PUBLIC 05/01/2009 DEATH CERTIFICATE MARTIN 2144490 2388/178(the groups of #'s: county document filing numbers. Death certificates/probate/divorces are used in creating new identities.)

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DM/alias's and "husband"/alias's die an awful lot?

Am I understanding this correctly... I keep thinking maybe it's a bad dream and I'll wake up soon...

ETA: noticing the dates... something about the dates months/years and relation to other events. Unless my magical magnifying mind has kicked in, there are lots of patterns with dates and even MI's?
(last one Nov 13, 2009...)

Also, DM was 'born' in approx 1973... started this mess young... in reviewing parts that I didn't include with these snips... she began in her early 20's?



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I've been praying about it. God is the only one who can bring out the truth and give me strength."

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Investigatingthecase...

Can we be assured that DM and "associates" are being watched or something... anything... in that they aren't going to be able to just up and disappear... vanish... before?








"I didn't know there was such dirty, evil people on this earth, but I really know now," Abraham's mother said. "I'm so hurt.
I've been praying about it. God is the only one who can bring out the truth and give me strength."

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The numbers are just the county document filing numbers.

The death certificates/probate/divorces are used in creating new identities.
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One thing to point out in regards to the recording of death certificates:

Normally a DC does not have to be recorded. But, it is recorded when any estate issues need to be performed IN EACH COUNTY it needs to be performed in. For example, if Aunt Bee dies in Lakeland, Florida and has a home there, and also a vacation home in Murphy, N.C., the executor of the estate would record the DC in Polk County, FL and Cherokee County, NC so that the property could be put in heir's name. This would have to be done in each county, in each state that the deceased owned property. It would normally be recorded at the same time as the new deed to executor/surviving spouse/family member/heir. So, in short form, it is not unusual to see multiple DC's recorded in different counties/states for the same person.
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One thing to point out in regards to the recording of death certificates:

Normally a DC does not have to be recorded. But, it is recorded when any estate issues need to be performed IN EACH COUNTY it needs to be performed in. For example, if Aunt Bee dies in Lakeland, Florida and has a home there, and also a vacation home in Murphy, N.C., the executor of the estate would record the DC in Polk County, FL and Cherokee County, NC so that the property could be put in heir's name. This would have to be done in each county, in each state that the deceased owned property. It would normally be recorded at the same time as the new deed to executor/surviving spouse/family member/heir. So, in short form, it is not unusual to see multiple DC's recorded in different counties/states for the same person.
So that can account for same person/name death certif being in multiple places counties/states?

And with same person/name death certif recording mult times within same county too?


(sorry for my confusion and maybe asking questions you already answered in diff way... I recovering from rare seizure/brain damage stuff... for real lol)

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So that can account for same person/name death certif being in multiple places counties/states?

And with same person/name death certif recording mult times within same county too?


(sorry for my confusion and maybe asking questions you already answered in diff way... I recovering from rare seizure/brain damage stuff... for real lol)
Correct. The recording of a DC is done to assert authority to another document. For example, if Jane Doe dies and the only son (John Doe) wants to sell mother's property, the deed would be executed by "Jane Doe, deceased and John Doe, sole surviving heir" and the DC would be recorded with the deed.
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Correct. The recording of a DC is done to assert authority to another document. For example, if Jane Doe dies and the only son (John Doe) wants to sell mother's property, the deed would be executed by "Jane Doe, deceased and John Doe, sole surviving heir" and the DC would be recorded with the deed.
Ok... so the dates, on the above list, are the recording date of the person... or the date the person died?
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Ok... so the dates, on the above list, are the recording date of the person... or the date the person died?
They would be the recording dates. Most counties (maybe all) block DC's from view to prevent identity theft, but if you go to book and page, and add or subtract one page, you may be able to see WHY the DC was recorded. i.e deed recorded with DC. Some counties record the DC as an additional page in the deed recording document, and some counties record it as a new document. Just depends on the clerk doing the indexing.
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Attorneys Howard & Victoria/Vina Stitzel - Assumed Names

This is showing how Stitzel and his wife change names and transfer properties; through phoney marriages/divorces. I don't think it's coincidence that Stitzel, Cedric Lewis, and Moore all got divorced this past summer. We haven't started on Cedric yet but all three are moving properties into different names. They need a title company to commit crime with them and Hillsborough Title is one of their crime partners.
They also handled transactions with Shakespeare & Associates and Krasniqi.

This is looking like a major crime ring with millions of dollars of properties being moved around. Krasniqi's are going to show up soon; this is organized crime. Barbara Jackson - it's not her name. Sonya Jackson and Colin Shakespeare in Orlando I believe are connected; Sonya owns a hair salon - Parrish crime ring. Shakespeare property was passed through someone connected with a salon. These people create elaborate facebook, myspace, websites with pictures of themselves, submit obits to the Tampa newspaper, birth notices...all fake.

8/14/90 Marriage
David Howard Stitzel III 3/4/64 (Ohio)
Veronica Susan Prostko 4/20/63 (TX) Her SSN starts with 262/FL per 8/13/96 filing
Witnesses: Loretta C Prostko & Richard Muga (2110 W Platt St Tampa/Muga & Stitzel's office)

7/19/97 Marriage
Sean Allen McNair 6/20/73 (ND) to Loretta Catherine Prostko 10/29/69 (FL)
Witnesses: Karen L Pinon & Howard Stitzel
Notary: Veronica Stitzel - 2810 Wilder Park Dr Plant City, FL - 96 judgment filing also uses this address

2810 Wilder Park Dr - Property History
10/11/91 Property Held by Canada Real Est Holding; One Old Country Rd Carle Place, NY 11514
8/18/92 Granted to K&S Development - 607 Alexander St Plant City, FL
4/6/94 Granted to David H Stitzel III
11/16/94 Granted to Victor D & Victoria Y Champion (AKA Stitzels) - Prepared by Hillsborough Title

4/21/05 Marriage License (no record of divorce from Rick Lurvey)
David Howard Stitzel III 3/4/64 (Ohio) to Vina Leah Sanders 6/28/69 (CA) Maiden Name-Sanders
Witnesses: Vina Lorraine Sanders & Barbara Barnett
Person Performing Ceremony: Donald E Mason/Evangelical Presbyterian Church

4/18/97 Marriage
Ricky Lee Lurvey 2/18/68 WI...Vina Leah Sanders 6/28/69 (FL) - resides in Plant City
Witnesses: Vina Lorraine Sanders & Linda Robards
Person Performing Ceremony: Theron Chewning/Fowler Ave Baptist Church/8932 Hervel Circle Tampa

8/12/1989 Marriage
John Douglas Dansby to Vina Leah Sanders (image not available - Hillsborough County)

8/25/04 Release of Mortgage Rick L Lurvey & Leaha V Sanders
12/8/95 Mortgage Deed Rick L Lurvey & Leah V Sanders - Louise Brinson Trust
2004 - Vina moves many properties to Rick Lurvey/she uses Leah V Sanders & Leah V Lurvey - all done by Hillsborough Title The address they use as their home is 110 E Keysville Dr.
2005 - Two days after marriage they begin moving properties back using various names. The Stitzels (Howard and Veronica) have their properties hidden under a number of different names.

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Wow!

I have been following this case since it first posted on Websleuths and all I can say is you peeps are amazing! The investigative skills here are just amazing! I was hate to be a 'perp" trying to hide something from Websleuthers.

I think Mrs. DD Moore-its probably time you started to get your affairs in order-YOU HAVE BEEN GOT!!

Poor Mr. Shakespeare! Unfortunately I do believe you trusted the wrong person. You were probably so appreciative of her "HELP" too.
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did we ever figure out who the step family is?
IMO, the people involed with his disapearance is Lewis etc.,Mcclanahan,Deedee,Jacksons
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I am curious if DM is known to be in a position of trust with any of her clients who may have had their homes "signed over" to her (aside from AS)? It sounds as though her latest business has something to do with nursing or something of the sort? (I keep thinking about her saying that she was sending someone to drive AS's mother to places in one of her posts.)

I don't understand all the name changing tricks or the documents here but was curious if DM's sole purpose was to ingraciate herself with people and help herself to their 'stuff' (when there is no family nearby to keep a watchful eye). JMO and am curious what anyone else might think.

I'm not trying to create confusion.
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They would be the recording dates. Most counties (maybe all) block DC's from view to prevent identity theft, but if you go to book and page, and add or subtract one page, you may be able to see WHY the DC was recorded. i.e deed recorded with DC. Some counties record the DC as an additional page in the deed recording document, and some counties record it as a new document. Just depends on the clerk doing the indexing.
Ahhhh... ok I see... thanks!


Ya know cholzsch, I almost expect to see the Gtz name on something within all the crazy real estate stuff before long... You knowww who I mean?




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I am curious if DM is known to be in a position of trust with any of her clients who may have had their homes "signed over" to her (aside from AS)? It sounds as though her latest business has something to do with nursing or something of the sort? (I keep thinking about her saying that she was sending someone to drive AS's mother to places in one of her posts.)

I don't understand all the name changing tricks or the documents here but was curious if DM's sole purpose was to ingraciate herself with people and help herself to their 'stuff' (when there is no family nearby to keep a watchful eye). JMO and am curious what anyone else might think.

I'm not trying to create confusion.
You're not creating confusion, you're posts are very appreciated!! Thank you for contributing your thought provoking ideas and comments!

I've been wondering the same thing, about DM branching off into different types of businesses (like we know and see!)... and the "nursing" thing, within her "staffing" stuff... with her history... scary thing is that it would run parallel with her motivation/skills... yes to ingratiate in the sickest of all ways... and to be getting into (and already into) the lives and homes of elderly, sick, disabled, etc... who are totally unaware of her types of scam and theft. As I think further into that possibility, it makes my skin crawl and my heart ache... nothing is beyond DM... and I believe this being the case, then it probably involves more than real estate (i.e. personal property, wills, jewelry, etc).




"I didn't know there was such dirty, evil people on this earth, but I really know now," Abraham's mother said. "I'm so hurt.
I've been praying about it. God is the only one who can bring out the truth and give me strength."

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David Howard Stitzel - Ohio? Paul Stitzel Trust? Donna Prostko Trust?

I cannot find any record of Howard, David Howard or Howard David or any variation in Ohio.
No court records in the state of Ohio. Veronica says she's an attorney but under FL Bar
there are no credentials. Are either of them even attorneys?


From Ancestry.com - I don't believe it's real; anyone can create a obit.
David Howard Stitzel II - Howard's Father
Age: 61 Date of Death: Saturday, January 30, 1999
City: Carlisle, Ohio
Survived by: Sons: Michael (Judi) Snyder, Mark (Kim) Snyder and David Howard (Veronica) Stitzel III;
Daughters: Kimberly Blair (Rolando) Paredes, Patty Sue (Dan) Carpenter and Mary Louise Whitesell;
Mother: Louella Stitzel and a sister, Jane E. Harris
Service: 10 a.m. Thursday, February 4th at the funeral home
Visitations: 4 to 9 p.m. Wednesday, February 3rd at the funeral home
Arrangements: Unglesby-Anderson Funeral Home
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You're not creating confusion, you're posts are very appreciated!! Thank you for contributing your thought provoking ideas and comments!

I've been wondering the same thing, about DM branching off into different types of businesses (like we know and see!)... and the "nursing" thing, within her "staffing" stuff... with her history... scary thing is that it would run parallel with her motivation/skills... yes to ingratiate in the sickest of all ways... and to be getting into (and already into) the lives and homes of elderly, sick, disabled, etc... who are totally unaware of her types of scam and theft. As I think further into that possibility, it makes my skin crawl and my heart ache... nothing is beyond DM... and I believe this being the case, then it probably involves more than real estate (i.e. personal property, wills, jewelry, etc).




"I didn't know there was such dirty, evil people on this earth, but I really know now," Abraham's mother said. "I'm so hurt.
I've been praying about it. God is the only one who can bring out the truth and give me strength."
Thank you, Iminuru. You are such a blessing to have amongst us.

There is something about 'staffing agencies' or 'temp services' when related to nursing/medical that bother me. Shysters tend to prey on the weak and feeble, IMO. People with money or no time and money do enlist the services of medical type people to care for their loved ones. I have had relatives who were in their own homes and nursing staff came in around the clock because no one had time, the relative would not go into long term care and for them it was an affordable situation. In one situation I can recall a nurse who put in a lot of extra time, without pay and was an awesome caregiver and friend. That was her real self (AMEN!). How many people do this type of service and look for a giant payback?

That being said, I wonder why DM had such a large tax bill owed when she did? Does anyone know how often DM filed income taxes for her or her LLC's? Just a little curious...
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Sara L. Stitzel
CARLISLE -- Mrs. Sara Luella Stitzel, 91, of 9090 Judith St., died Wednesday, March 22, 2000, at her residence. She was born in Springboro, Ohio, on Sept. 6, 1908, the daughter of Clint and Lucy (Kesling) Hutt. She was a member of the First United Methodist Church of Springboro and the Clearcreekers. She was preceded in death by her husband, David Howard Stitzel I in 1974; and a son, David Howard Stitzel II in 1999. Surviving are a daughter, Jane Harris of Dayton; a brother, Ralph Hutt; a sister, Helen Shifflet of Florida; five grandchildren, Kenneth Ray Harris, Sara Marie Harris, William Howard Harris, David Howard Stitzel III and Kimberly Blaire Parades; four step-grandchildren, Mark, Mike, Margaret and Pat Snyder; and two great-grandchildren.
ARRANGEMENTS: Funeral services are set for 10 a.m. Saturday, March 25, at Unglesby-Anderson Funeral Home, with the Rev. Terry Baker officiating. Burial will be in Springboro Cemetery. Visitation will be Friday from 5 to 8 p.m. at the funeral home.
MEMORIALS: Memorial contributions may be made to the First United Methodist Church of Springboro.

http://www.genealogybuff.com/oh/oh-butler-obits131.htm

Not a "real" obit, I know... maybe a starting point.
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Both of the obits were created and reside on the same website. I'm getting closer to the answer. The first name Gayle is becoming a common link.

If anyone can find anything on him outside of Tampa, please post. There is a Howard Stitzel with the same age in Seattle and West Virginia.
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Legislative Update #11
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LAST PUSH NEEDED on HB0081 and SB0426!
SENATE ACTION: FCSS Lobbyist Dave Sigerson is visiting Sen. Gellerís office to ask that he now do a withdrawal request to Sen. Lisa Carltonís sub-committee on Educational Appropriations. Everyone needs to call her office (850- 487-5081) and ask for Linda Mineer, her top aide. Sen. Carlton told Fran Holleran and Jack Bovee last summer, with Linda Mineer present, that there was no bigger friend of social studies than her. Please mention this is the last hurdle. DOE supports this bill, all our social studies groups support it, the SAR and LWV support it, it contains no financial cost and the STUDY is desperately needed! Ask for her help in getting it released so it can become law.
HOUSE ACTION: Additionally, we need everyone to contact Speaker Johnny Byrdís office (850-488-0807) and speak with his aides, Jodi Smith or Veronica Stitzel. We need to ask that he use his office to place HB0081 on the Special Calendar for a vote. Use the same arguments as above.

The Session is scheduled to end this week. We need one last push from everyone in order to be successful. Another similar bill on the study of Physical Education seems likely to pass. Civic education should be just as important! All of our work and effort this session will amount to nothing if we donít achieve the passage of these bills. Thanks for letting me know if youíve contacted Speaker Byrdís office or Sen. Carltonís office.

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