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IN THE COURT OF APPEALS OF TENNESSEE AT NASHVILLE
Dec 5, 2007 ... The Petition was supported by the affidavit of Janet Morris, a principal of The Adoption Place. The attorney for the unknown father filed an ...
http://www.tsc.state.tn.us/opinions/...onplaceOPN.pdf
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appeal for termination of parental rights of unknown father
Birth mother had surrendered her rights, refused to tell anything about the father
child was conceived in Jackson, Tennessee in August 2005.
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It also alleged that no person claiming to be the biological father was present at the child’s birth and that no person had come forward claiming any parental interest in the child. (although in the rest of it, it appears the father DID come forward)
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Maybe this is who helped the Smiths with adopting the 4 yr old
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Janet Morris Adoption agency...for those coherent enough to sleuth it.
time beat me to it.
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I have to say I saw only bits and piece of the 5 pm and 7 pm feed of NG and now I am finally watching it now at 10. If anyone has been pulling out their hair out of frustration.....I am half bald with you now!!!!
argghghghg!!! That TS!!! Is Logan on her Facebook to have actually had the chance to see that note about praying for EJ and the baby. Man, she sure fumbled around when confronted with that "underground" comment. I don't think she knew she was going to be confronted with this FB post. What she said in reply is gibberish. I need to go back and review her EXACT words.
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So what is Janet's expertise in mother's disappearing with their children? Is she a lawyer?
And once again, if TPS really wanted to get EJ back she could have just told her that LM signed the papers and everything was going to be fine. She could have worked with LM and LE and just gotten her to come back. But she didn't. Wonder why that is?
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Exactly! She could have contacted LM (its already been stated that she did at one point) and told him to play along and just say that he signed the papers. That way if EJ contacted LM they would have the same story and MAYBE she would have brought Gabriel back. I hope that made sense. I am really tired and this case has me 
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01-09-2010, 01:26 AM
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OH Mom! I am so sick on my stomach.
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01-09-2010, 01:27 AM
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IN THE COURT OF APPEALS OF TENNESSEE AT NASHVILLE
Dec 5, 2007 ... The Petition was supported by the affidavit of Janet Morris, a principal of The Adoption Place. The attorney for the unknown father filed an ...
http://www.tsc.state.tn.us/opinions/...onplaceOPN.pdf
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So I'm thinking any conversation with Janet may have been how to make this baby dissapear for a while (maybe they did not think this case would get much attention) then claim to the court father is unknown?? I have no doubt they were scheming a way to get Logan out of the picture. The question is did Elizabeth lose it thinking it would not happen and then killed the baby...
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IN THE COURT OF APPEALS OF TENNESSEE AT NASHVILLE
Dec 5, 2007 ... The Petition was supported by the affidavit of Janet Morris, a principal of The Adoption Place. The attorney for the unknown father filed an ...
http://www.tsc.state.tn.us/opinions/...onplaceOPN.pdf
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appeal for termination of parental rights of unknown father
Birth mother had surrendered her rights, refused to tell anything about the father
child was conceived in Jackson, Tennessee in August 2005.
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That's exactly where my thoughts headed, and who knows what's been said about Logan to get people willing to help her with something underground. It just makes me so sick.
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So I'm thinking any conversation with Janet may have been how to make this baby dissapear for a while (maybe they did not think this case would get much attention) then claim to the court father is unknown?? I have no doubt they were scheming a way to get Logan out of the picture. The question is did Elizabeth lose it thinking it would not happen and then killed the baby...
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I hope they stay hot on Janet because I think she placed Gabriel with adoptive parents. I hope LE has everything from her office, computers and phone records.
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01-09-2010, 01:35 AM
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That's exactly where my thoughts headed, and who knows what's been said about Logan to get people willing to help her with something underground. It just makes me so sick.
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You know reading that case makes me really upset - it looks like it IS another case of the father coming forward and wanting custody but they are fighting it??? This makes me sick - why are they doing stuff like that? Playing god or what?
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FBI Agents Search A Nashville House For Baby Gabriel
Tammi Smith told CBS5 she knew what the Nashville search was all about. It was the home of a friend of hers, Janet Morris, who she asked to counsel Elizabeth Johnson about what she could face legally if she tried to disappear with Gabriel.
"I called (Elizabeth) and said 'look, you've got to call this girl Janet,' and so Janet basically, she called her and as far as I know, Janet told her the same thing that we've been telling her and begged her to come back. 'And if you don't come back, you could be facing these charges and these charges,'" said Tammi Smith.
http://www.kpho.com/news/22190418/detail.html
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This Janet Morris is as hinky-folk as the Smiths. I think they both parties had set this adoption in motion and unstable EJ went all rogue on them and didn't want to give ANYONE on the baby. They all went into panic mode, and whatever has happened to this baby is not their fault OR they know that she was going to give the baby to a silent 3rd party who they have no connection with ...they know they didn't have a DIRECT hand in the loss of this baby. They and EJ really don't know what has happened to this baby but I suspect they gave that starting push to the cart now bumbling down a steep hill to eminent disaster.. Gads, Bean E, I am with you and scared for this baby as well....
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So what is Janet's expertise in mother's disappearing with their children? Is she a lawyer?
And once again, if TPS really wanted to get EJ back she could have just told her that LM signed the papers and everything was going to be fine. She could have worked with LM and LE and just gotten her to come back. But she didn't. Wonder why that is?
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OOH
If this is her she works for the Adoption Place that apparently illegally terminated a father's rights to his child after the birth mother gave the child up for adoption.
No way these people advised EJ to give Gabe back to his dad.
http://www.tsc.state.tn.us/opinions/...onplaceOPN.pdf
BTW, the father won the appeal.
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when I adopted my son, they had to run it in the paper with the birth mothers name and birthday and approx time of conception, becouse she either did not know or did not want to say. it ran for i think 6 weeks
then they gave 30 days after the last run to terminate unknown father
I live in tn
I adopted him through foster care
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Oops. Sorry, I was so busy reading the court opinion that I didn't see it was already posted.
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You know reading that case makes me really upset - it looks like it IS another case of the father coming forward and wanting custody but they are fighting it??? This makes me sick - why are they doing stuff like that? Playing god or what?
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It certainly is stomping all over the father's right to parent. I thought the laws were set up to make sure they have this right but I'm so not suprised that an overbearing adoption agency or whatever would do anything they can think of to keep the father's out of it. Yes, I think they decide what's in the best interest of the child and manipulate the he!! out of the system.
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FBI Agents Search A Nashville House For Baby Gabriel
Tammi Smith told CBS5 she knew what the Nashville search was all about. It was the home of a friend of hers, Janet Morris, who she asked to counsel Elizabeth Johnson about what she could face legally if she tried to disappear with Gabriel.
"I called (Elizabeth) and said 'look, you've got to call this girl Janet,' and so Janet basically, she called her and as far as I know, Janet told her the same thing that we've been telling her and begged her to come back. 'And if you don't come back, you could be facing these charges and these charges,'" said Tammi Smith.
http://www.kpho.com/news/22190418/detail.html
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Bold is mine
The Smiths are not honest at all. They have changed their story about everything so many times. Just tonight on the Nancy Grace show Jack stated he had no idea why tips would be coming out of Nashville. And now here is Tammi saying oh yeah, I know why they are interested in Nashville. Here's a snip of the NG transcript:
CASAREZ: Do you talk to a lot of people in Nashville?
J. SMITH: My family. My brother`s there. My two sons are there. Yes, after 35 years you do have friends there. Certainly.
CASAREZ: So what do you think about all these tips coming from a place that you used to live in?
J. SMITH: I have no earthly idea. No earthly idea. Nashville`s a beautiful town.
This makes me laugh: "Nashville's a beautiful town."
Like that has anything to do with the question.
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I googled the address listed at the links for Janet Morris' agency. Nice house in a residential neighborhood. New builds, as far as I can tell.
Odd, for an company that only makes $75000 a year...
And why in a residential area?
Does some one else want to Google map it, to see if they get the same thing? I was going to link, but I think I mis-Googled.
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So I'm thinking any conversation with Janet may have been how to make this baby dissapear for a while (maybe they did not think this case would get much attention) then claim to the court father is unknown?? I have no doubt they were scheming a way to get Logan out of the picture. The question is did Elizabeth lose it thinking it would not happen and then killed the baby...
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I know... I think you are right and that is the key question. I hope he is ok. I hope also that these people doing this are stopped and charged. It's like something you figure goes on, but seeing it up close and seeing the way they operate really brings it home - seems they are stealing babies from father, good god.
I think Tammi figured this out (maybe because this is how it's done) that getting a baby in one state, getting the mom gone, and then having the court ruling to remove the dads rights in another state is the key to success (their definition). They did it with the guy who says he was Jack's son-in-law, they were querying about surrogates in California, and there is this case on record in TN (John Doe, so wonder who's dad he is and if it was settled - sad). I wonder how many other cases?
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Is LM named as the father on the BC? And if so did he sign it? And also another question....from that court file where the mother was a minor and her name was protected, since EJ is over the age of 18 there would be no way of hiding her name? And also if they ran the ad in the paper in lets say Tenn then really LM would most likely never see it, so would his rights then be severed?
This case just keeps getting worse as time passes.
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IN THE COURT OF APPEALS OF TENNESSEE AT NASHVILLE
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Dec 5, 2007 ... THE ADOPTION PLACE, INC. v. JOHN DOE ... Connie Reguli, Brentwood, Tennessee, for the appellee, The Adoption Place, Inc. OPINION ...
http://www.tsc.state.tn.us/opinions/...onplaceOPN.pdf
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Feb 4, 2008 ... The Adoption Place, Inc. v. John Doe. M2007-01214-SC-R11-PT. Rutherford County Juvenile. Judge Donna Aline Scott. No. TC-884. Bennett, J. ...
http://www.tsc.state.tn.us/OPINIONS/...list020408.pdf
Appeal Denied - Application of The Adoption Place, Inc.
Lisa A. Hanson, Esq.
The appeals court also held that Appellee/The Adoption Place, Inc. did not make a “diligent inquiry” of the birth mother to ascertain the identity of ...
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Adoption Week - Article for January 15, 2008
Jan 15, 2008 ... TENNESSEE: The Adoption Place, Inc. v. John Doe The Court of Appeals of Tennessee, at Nashville, reversed and remanded the trial court's ...
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I wonder if The Adoption Place has any employees named Cheryl? 
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