AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #3 - Page 23

Marigold · #**551** 01-09-2010, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mnegri1973

Is LM named as the father on the BC? And if so did he sign it? And also another question....from that court file where the mother was a minor and her name was protected, since EJ is over the age of 18 there would be no way of hiding her name? And also if they ran the ad in the paper in lets say Tenn then really LM would most likely never see it, so would his rights then be severed?

This case just keeps getting worse as time passes.

In the minute entries to their court hearing on Dec 17, the judge ruled that Logan is the father of Gabriel, and if the BC didn't show his name then it could be changed to reflect that he is the baby's father.

(I don't know if I can post a link because the minute entries show mailing addresses.)

momtective · #**552** 01-09-2010, 01:49 AM

I just really think Janet set this adoption up. I believe she had a couple meet EJ in San Antonio, spend a couple of days with her and the baby, then drive to Victoria to an associate attorney to sign the adoption papers. The couple then left with their new bundle of joy and EJ returned to San Antonio and hoped a bus.

I'm going to look for any connections between Janet, Adoption Place and Victoria, Texas.

des01 · #**553** 01-09-2010, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by not_my_kids

I googled the address listed at the links for Janet Morris' agency. Nice house in a residential neighborhood. New builds, as far as I can tell.

Odd, for an company that only makes $75000 a year...
And why in a residential area?
Does some one else want to Google map it, to see if they get the same thing? I was going to link, but I think I mis-Googled.

I also got what looks like a residential area..a cul-de-sac..very nice houses

DairyGirl · #**554** 01-09-2010, 01:53 AM

What crazy stuff. They were asked point blank on NG tonight about the Nashville, Tn connection and they babbled on about having family and what a beautiful place it is, neglected to mention that they got EJ in touch with a friend that does adoption. They must really think they are smarter the LE. LE has the phone records and I don't think they counted on the Smiths for theirs, they probably went right to their provider for accurate records. They have EJs records and pings. The Smiths don't know what LE does and they are doing a lousy job of covering them selves. I am just hoping that EJ viewed baby Gabriel as more valuable to her alive then dead. Where is he?

time · #**555** 01-09-2010, 01:54 AM

"The Adoption Place, Inc" might be connected to:

Informed Adoption Advocates - Home
IAA - the web home for Informed Adoption Advocates. ... The message boards are a great place to get ask questions and meet other people who have connections ...
www.informedadoptions.com/

Not sure if they are the same, but I get this

Adoption Place, Inc.
505 Oak Forest Circle Antioch, TN 37013
(615) 365-7020
http://www.i-a-a.org.
Interadopt@comcast.net

That website is defunct or there is a spam page there, haven't checked archives.org

Adding... ok, now I am going nuts cause I alsop get this:

International Adoption Alliance (IAA)
PMB 154
2441 Q Old Fort Parkway
Murfreesboro, TN 37128
E-mail: interadopt@home.com
http://www.i-a-a.org/

Dear Prudence · #**556** 01-09-2010, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Marigold

In the minute entries to their court hearing on Dec 17, the judge ruled that Logan is the father of Gabriel, and if the BC didn't show his name then it could be changed to reflect that he is the baby's father.

(I don't know if I can post a link because the minute entries show mailing addresses.)

I'm not sure either but maybe you can tell us how you found it. Like say it was at the Maricopa County website and you search family court records for Logan's full name.

des01 · #**557** 01-09-2010, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kamille

I wonder if The Adoption Place has any employees named Cheryl?

http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_8rsdfr

says there is 2 employees

A_Closer_Look · #**558** 01-09-2010, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by momtective

I just really think Janet set this adoption up. I believe she had a couple meet EJ in San Antonio, spend a couple of days with her and the baby, then drive to Victoria to an associate attorney to sign the adoption papers. The couple then left with their new bundle of joy and EJ returned to San Antonio and hoped a bus.

I'm going to look for any connections between Janet, Adoption Place and Victoria, Texas.

Mom, you are awesome and all over this thing

I nominate thee, Queen Awesome Figure Outer!

Kamille · #**559** 01-09-2010, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by not_my_kids

I googled the address listed at the links for Janet Morris' agency. Nice house in a residential neighborhood. New builds, as far as I can tell.

Odd, for an company that only makes $75000 a year...
And why in a residential area?
Does some one else want to Google map it, to see if they get the same thing? I was going to link, but I think I mis-Googled.

Nope...you didn't mis-google. That's a home in a residential neighbourhood. Janet Morris' home I presume. Imagine that. Running an adoption agency out of your home. Very professional.

indicat · #**560** 01-09-2010, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DairyGirl

What crazy stuff. They were asked point blank on NG tonight about the Nashville, Tn connection and they babbled on about having family and what a beautiful place it is, neglected to mention that they got EJ in touch with a friend that does adoption. They must really think they are smarter the LE. LE has the phone records and I don't think they counted on the Smiths for theirs, they probably went right to their provider for accurate records. They have EJs records and pings. The Smiths don't know what LE does and they are doing a lousy job of covering them selves. I am just hoping that EJ viewed baby Gabriel as more valuable to her alive then dead. Where is he?

Deflection, that's what they did, the purpose of deflection is to mislead.

time · #**561** 01-09-2010, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by des01

I also got what looks like a residential area..a cul-de-sac..very nice houses

Try this address?

505 Oak Forest Circle Antioch, TN 37013

Marigold · #**562** 01-09-2010, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dear Prudence

I'm not sure either but maybe you can tell us how you found it. Like say it was at the Maricopa County website and you search family court records for Logan's full name.

Thanks, here's what I did:

I did a google search for maricopa county superior court minute entries . I clicked on the first result and put in Logan's first and last name.

not_my_kids · #**563** 01-09-2010, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Kamille

Nope...you didn't mis-google. That's a home in a residential neighbourhood. Janet Morris' home I presume. Imagine that. Running an adoption agency out of your home. Very professional.

I have a second address as her home address in nashville. I could be wrong or it could be outdated. I can't post it though, because it's her home. But I think I can get away with the one we've been googling, it's business info, public record.

not_my_kids · #**564** 01-09-2010, 02:03 AM

http://dnb.powerprofiles.com/profile...OUNT+JULIET-TN
Little more on the agency. According to yellowpages.com, which won't let me copy right now, she has been operating since 2000.

momtective · #**565** 01-09-2010, 02:04 AM

I've got an INC. and a ??? plain old Adoption Place here http://www.yellowpages.com/Antioch-TN/Adoption-Services

redfish · #**566** 01-09-2010, 02:06 AM

Okay, this may be Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayy OT, but. While I was on that Mantra link about our esteemed attorney there was a link to South TX Children's Home Ministries in Beeville TX. Very interesting. I then looked to see what Victoria has to offer along these lines.... Brownson Home, Victoria, TX.... maybe this attorney has some connections at one of these places....????

momtective · #**567** 01-09-2010, 02:06 AM

Carry on fellow sleuths...this ol gal is calling it a day.

indicat · #**568** 01-09-2010, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by momtective

Carry on fellow sleuths...this ol gal is calling it a day.

You dug up some great information, Thank You!!!

des01 · #**569** 01-09-2010, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by indicat

You dug up some great information, Thank You!!!

I agree!! Thank You momtective!!!

mnegri1973 · #**570** 01-09-2010, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by redfish

Okay, this may be Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayy OT, but. While I was on that Mantra link about our esteemed attorney there was a link to South TX Children's Home Ministries in Beeville TX. Very interesting. I then looked to see what Victoria has to offer along these lines.... Brownson Home, Victoria, TX.... maybe this attorney has some connections at one of these places....????

I wonder how far Beeville is from Victoria? Also if EJ was in Beeville, would a cell tower from Victoria ping her cell?

not_my_kids · #**571** 01-09-2010, 02:12 AM

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sour...2&ie=UTF8&z=10

If I spelled everything right, 55 miles between Beeville and Victoria, TX.

redfish · #**572** 01-09-2010, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mnegri1973

I wonder how far Beeville is from Victoria? Also if EJ was in Beeville, would a cell tower from Victoria ping her cell?

It is not too far from Victoria.... but someone may have met her there in Victoria.

time · #**573** 01-09-2010, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by indicat

It certainly is stomping all over the father's right to parent. I thought the laws were set up to make sure they have this right but I'm so not suprised that an overbearing adoption agency or whatever would do anything they can think of to keep the father's out of it. Yes, I think they decide what's in the best interest of the child and manipulate the he!! out of the system.

It's scary, huh? I think they have this all worked out - from scoping out the mothers who are vulnerable clear through the legalities of taking away the father's rights.

JustJax · #**574** 01-09-2010, 02:16 AM

This is my first visit to this thread and I have only had limited time to follow this case on the tele so I appolgize for being lazy.
Can someone tell me how they broke up...was it Gabriel's Dad that broke up with Mom?

Kamille · #**575** 01-09-2010, 02:17 AM

I think it's getting late because I'm starting to believe that TPS doesn't have as much involvement here as we think.

She obviously knew that EJ was on the run from LM. Probably helped her plan it. She would have applauded that because of her own experience with her ex. She did not really try to get her to return. She probably told her to get in contact with this Janet person to find out her options after she had taken one last shot at getting LM to give up his parental rights to Gabriel.

Whatever happened after that was probably set up by Janet Morris. Maybe that's the "underground" help. She's the one who needs the lie detector test IMO.

So maybe TPS doesn't really know the details of what transpired. She'll probably pass the important stuff on the lie detector. JS is probably completely in the dark so he'll pass with flying colours.

MOO

But why would EJ keep quiet?

I'm getting nervious along with you BeanE. The only thing that keeps me going is that trip to the park...that's not really a park but an event place. It makes no sense other than a good secluded place to meet with someone.