 |
|
02-04-2010, 01:19 PM
|
 |
WS Administrator
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 22,967
|
|
Thank you Eliza. I'll see what I can find. We know mom was booked into Riker's Island last week, so there should be some kind of record?
If anyone has experience with NY's arrest records - I could use some guidance.
TIA,
Salem
|
02-04-2010, 01:25 PM
|
 |
FBI Agent in the next life
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 1,952
|
|
NY arrest records stink, from my experience. Here's the NY inmate website: http://nysdocslookup.docs.state.ny.us/kinqw00
__________________
...the truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers ~ Judge Stan Strickland It is true that you may fool all of the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. ~Abraham Lincoln IMO, the minivan and the blanket are key to Haleigh Cummings' disappearance...
|
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to ElizaAvalon For This Useful Post:
|
|
02-04-2010, 01:35 PM
|
|
WS Administrator
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 22,967
|
|
I checked the inmate site last night and came up empty. I'm assuming that is because she was released on Tuesday. The site doesn't appear to show anyone that has been released?
Salem
Here's a link to the court calander: http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/webc...HTML&txtEmail=
Judge's name is McElrath. It just keeps spinning and won't load so I'll try again in a bit.
Last edited by Salem; 02-04-2010 at 01:36 PM.
Reason: add info
|
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Salem For This Useful Post:
|
|
02-04-2010, 01:47 PM
|
|
FBI Agent in the next life
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 1,952
|
|
I found a case for a Jennifer R. here: http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/webc...ttorneyWelcome but there's no info really. Just that her offense was in June.
__________________
...the truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers ~ Judge Stan Strickland It is true that you may fool all of the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. ~Abraham Lincoln IMO, the minivan and the blanket are key to Haleigh Cummings' disappearance...
Last edited by ElizaAvalon; 02-04-2010 at 01:54 PM.
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to ElizaAvalon For This Useful Post:
|
|
02-04-2010, 01:47 PM
|
|
WS Administrator
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 22,967
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElizaAvalon
|
This link worked!!!!! 
Deleted - I don't think this is her. Incarceration was too long ago and the DOB makes her 29 - but she is only 23. But at least this link shows those released.
Salem
Last edited by Salem; 02-04-2010 at 01:50 PM.
|
02-04-2010, 01:47 PM
|
|
FBI Agent in the next life
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 1,952
|
|
|
Okay, found the charge: PL 140.05 00 Violation Description Trespass
__________________
...the truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers ~ Judge Stan Strickland It is true that you may fool all of the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. ~Abraham Lincoln IMO, the minivan and the blanket are key to Haleigh Cummings' disappearance...
|
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to ElizaAvalon For This Useful Post:
|
|
02-04-2010, 01:50 PM
|
|
FBI Agent in the next life
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 1,952
|
|
|
I don't think that's her, Salem. I think she's supposed to be 23-years-old, which would make her birth year either 1986 or 1987.
__________________
...the truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers ~ Judge Stan Strickland It is true that you may fool all of the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. ~Abraham Lincoln IMO, the minivan and the blanket are key to Haleigh Cummings' disappearance...
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to ElizaAvalon For This Useful Post:
|
|
02-04-2010, 01:51 PM
|
|
suspicion solves crimes, not taking a positive attitude
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 33,224
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElizaAvalon
Okay, found the charge: PL 140.05 00 Violation Description Trespass
|
Is this moms charge that lead to her losing her children? If so, good lord. I guess I'm damned lucky my 14 year old son wasn't taken away from me for trespassing on RR tracks.
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to SuziQ For This Useful Post:
|
|
02-04-2010, 01:51 PM
|
|
WS Administrator
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 22,967
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElizaAvalon
I don't think that's her, Salem. I think she's supposed to be 23-years-old, which would make her birth year either 1986 or 1987.
|
You are absolutely right and I edited my post. Do you think she goes by another name? I wonder if Jennifer is her middle name and she has another, legal first name that was used?
Salem
|
02-04-2010, 01:54 PM
|
|
FBI Agent in the next life
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 1,952
|
|
|
Don't know, Salem. I changed my post, too, because I don't know if that's THE Jennifer R.'s case.
__________________
...the truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers ~ Judge Stan Strickland It is true that you may fool all of the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. ~Abraham Lincoln IMO, the minivan and the blanket are key to Haleigh Cummings' disappearance...
|
02-04-2010, 01:59 PM
|
|
WS Administrator
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 22,967
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElizaAvalon
Don't know, Salem. I changed my post, too, because I don't know if that's THE Jennifer R.'s case.
|
Her charge was for petit larceny - this could fall under a "trespass" category.
The NY system is very confusing - my head is exploding. There has to be some record of her, but I am coming up empty everywhere I try.
Do we know if she has a myspace? I'm going to see if I can get more info on her and then I'll try searching the records again. 
Salem
|
02-04-2010, 02:02 PM
|
|
WS Administrator
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 22,967
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuziQ
Is this moms charge that lead to her losing her children? If so, good lord. I guess I'm damned lucky my 14 year old son wasn't taken away from me for trespassing on RR tracks.
|
Hi SuziQ - nice to see you in Patrick's thread.
The media reports the charges against her were from petit larceny. I suppose this could come under a "trespass" definition. I'd have to read up on it. I'm really thinking this mom's kids were taken because she butted heads with CPS or whatever they call it.
Just not sure what is going on in this case, except that little Patrick is missing. 
Salem
Last edited by Salem; 02-04-2010 at 02:14 PM.
Reason: typo
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Salem For This Useful Post:
|
|
02-04-2010, 02:07 PM
|
|
FBI Agent in the next life
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 1,952
|
|
This article http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/b...RxrwULgrQByl8L leads me to believe that Mom lived on Staten Island. That would be Richmond County. Her offense at the mall was on Staten Island.
__________________
...the truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers ~ Judge Stan Strickland It is true that you may fool all of the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. ~Abraham Lincoln IMO, the minivan and the blanket are key to Haleigh Cummings' disappearance...
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to ElizaAvalon For This Useful Post:
|
|
02-04-2010, 02:12 PM
|
|
Registered User
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Northeast USA
Posts: 3,317
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Salem
I checked the inmate site last night and came up empty. I'm assuming that is because she was released on Tuesday. The site doesn't appear to show anyone that has been released?
Salem
Here's a link to the court calander: http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/webc...HTML&txtEmail=
Judge's name is McElrath. It just keeps spinning and won't load so I'll try again in a bit. |
She was probably never in the Riker's database as she was being held for civil contempt. I know from actual experience (I was not locked up) that with the frequency in which Corrections moves people around, it takes a while for inmate data to be put in a system and is frequently antiquated if you actually want to plan a visit.
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to webrocket For This Useful Post:
|
|
02-04-2010, 02:13 PM
|
|
FBI Agent in the next life
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 1,952
|
|
This could be her:
ChargeDetailDisposition/SentencePL 155.25 00
**TOP CHARGE** A Misdemeanor, 1 count, Arrest charge, Arraignment charge Description Petit Larceny
PL 165.40 00 A Misdemeanor, 1 count, Arrest charge, Arraignment charge Description Crim Pssesn Stln Prop 5th
http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/webc...DocketSentence
__________________
...the truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers ~ Judge Stan Strickland It is true that you may fool all of the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. ~Abraham Lincoln IMO, the minivan and the blanket are key to Haleigh Cummings' disappearance...
|
|
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to ElizaAvalon For This Useful Post:
|
|
02-04-2010, 02:16 PM
|
|
WS Administrator
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 22,967
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElizaAvalon
This could be her:
ChargeDetailDisposition/SentencePL 155.25 00
**TOP CHARGE** A Misdemeanor, 1 count, Arrest charge, Arraignment charge Description Petit Larceny
PL 165.40 00 A Misdemeanor, 1 count, Arrest charge, Arraignment charge Description Crim Pssesn Stln Prop 5th
http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/webc...DocketSentence |
This looks right because her next court date is this coming Tuesday which would be Feb 9th? Not the 8th? Maybe typo? Or maybe the 8th is for the larceny and the 9th for family court?
Salem
|
02-04-2010, 02:19 PM
|
|
WS Administrator
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 22,967
|
|
Says her birth year is 1987 - but does not give month or day. For her to be 23, her bday has to be sometime between Jan. 1 and Feb. 4th, right?
No middle initial either
Salem
Last edited by Salem; 02-04-2010 at 02:23 PM.
Reason: add comment
|
02-04-2010, 02:25 PM
|
|
WS Administrator
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 22,967
|
|
Eliza - I have to go for bit and I will be back. Thank you so much for your help this morning. I was really lost out there in NY - biggest city I have ever visited on my electronic travels 
Salem
|
02-04-2010, 02:53 PM
|
|
FBI Agent in the next life
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 1,952
|
|
|
Yeah, you'd think the Big Apple would have better technology and have all of these records (a la Florida) online. However, there's probably more lawyers in NY per square mile, so...
A few things I dug up is that the mom lived or lives in the West Brighton section of Staten Island which is considered the North Shore area. I think I found the home of her aunt in West Brighton (doesn't help finding Patrick, though...).
Oh and Mom's arrest was by the 122nd precinct in Staten Island.
__________________
...the truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers ~ Judge Stan Strickland It is true that you may fool all of the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. ~Abraham Lincoln IMO, the minivan and the blanket are key to Haleigh Cummings' disappearance...
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to ElizaAvalon For This Useful Post:
|
|
02-04-2010, 04:28 PM
|
 |
WS Moderator
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Puget Sound area, WA
Posts: 17,592
|
|
|
Thank you all for looking so hard for info! I tried a little last night, but I'm so inexperienced with looking up court records, and the NY stuff was just making it worse!
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to SheWhoMustNotBeNamed For This Useful Post:
|
|
02-04-2010, 09:34 PM
|
|
WS Moderator
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Puget Sound area, WA
Posts: 17,592
|
|
|
No news about Patrick today. I wonder if there will be until mom is supposed to "produce" him on Tuesday. Hoping for a break in the case before then.
|
|
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to SheWhoMustNotBeNamed For This Useful Post:
|
|
02-04-2010, 10:33 PM
|
 |
Registered User
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,207
|
|
|
Ok I searched family court records by judge, it's strange that this is the only case he has (in family court anyway) from now til March 4th.
Richmond County Family Court
02/15/2010 9:00 AM 14329 B-02409-09/10A Return of Process
Then I searched by case # 14329 & found what I believe are the court dates/dockets for Patrick's mom. It doesn't give names, but again, this is the only case that judge has on the docket this month.
File# Docket# Judge Part Appearance
Date/Time Purpose(s) Attorney(s) Type / For Court
Location Email
Notification
14329 B-02409-09 Honorable Karen B. Wolff 1 06/01/2010 2:15 PM Fact Finding
14329 B-02409-09/10A Honorable Terrence J. McElrath 1 02/15/2010 9:00 AM Return of Process
14329 NN-02768-07 Marcelle Z. Brandes, Court Attorney Referee 41 05/14/2010 3:00 PM Permanency Planning Hearing
Do you see the significance of these dates ?
She didn't even have a chance to get them back until May 14Th.
Patrick likely knew that he wasn't going to be with his mommy for a very long time.
3 months is an eternity for a 7 year old and I'd imagine for any mother to be be apart.
Since there's no other info, I'm betting the 4 year old is still with the foster mom who lost Patrick.
|
|
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to CHICANA For This Useful Post:
|
|
02-05-2010, 01:11 AM
|
|
Registered User
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 38
|
|
|
long time lurker, 1st time poster
Hi everyone, I live down the block from the foster mom's building. Alot of this story just doesn't make sense. If I can answer anyone's questions about the neighborhood I would be more than happy to. I'm praying for Patrick to be found.
|
|
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to chrissybk For This Useful Post:
|
|
02-05-2010, 01:20 AM
|
|
WS Moderator
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Puget Sound area, WA
Posts: 17,592
|
|
|
Hi chrissybk! WELCOME! Thanks for deciding to finally post! Glad to have you here.
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to SheWhoMustNotBeNamed For This Useful Post:
|
|
02-05-2010, 01:32 AM
|
|
Registered User
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,207
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrissybk
Hi everyone, I live down the block from the foster mom's building. Alot of this story just doesn't make sense. If I can answer anyone's questions about the neighborhood I would be more than happy to. I'm praying for Patrick to be found.
|
Theories ??
Do you know anything about the foster family ?
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to CHICANA For This Useful Post:
|
|
|
|
|
Tags
|
7 year old, 7 year old runaway, acs, brighton, bronx, brooklyn, dcfs, dumpster, endangered missing, endangered runaway, foster child, foster family, jennifer rodriguez, missing, missing child, missing foster child, new york, patrick alford, rikers, search dogs, sex offenders, starrett city, staten island  |
| Thread Tools |
|
|
| Display Modes |
 Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
| © Copyright Websleuths 1999-2012 |
New To Site? |
Need Help? |
|
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:01 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
