AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #17 - Page 24

sleuth2001 · #**576** 01-26-2010, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pghbrandi

I am glad they are turning on each other but it scares me at the same time. If TS does know where Gabriel is, I don't doubt for a second she'd do something out of spite or to save her own butt and make it look like it was EJ.
As for the car, well, I have NO clue why they would ask but I am sure some of our fabulous experienced sleuthers will!

I would hope TS wouldn't "do" anything to him. We would all know if he was found not alive an approx time of death and EJ has been in jail almost a month and if it is the case and TS made a threat then she would have even more evidence against her.

Baznme · #**577** 01-26-2010, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kissdegirl

LM seems to voice what some of us have been saying, that it's good the women are turning on each other. The reporter too thought about TS's statement to EJ as being a threat.

What about washing the car? You people in the know, what does this suggest to you? Have they found something distinct on it? Intrigued.

About washing the car, the wax, etc. says to me that by examining the car for the type of soap, wax, etc. the last time it was cleaned by grandfather Johnson and what may be on it now could be two different things. If the trace chemicals differ from what grandfather Johnson put on it in September to what is on it now could mean that it's possible there was something on the car that EJ wanted OFF besides road dirt. They may have asked EJ if she had washed the car and maybe it seemed a little too clean for a 1,000 mile trip to LE. Depending on what she told them may be why they are taking a close look at the condition of grandfather's car.

Also, if she did get the car washed, there may be video there that may provide an answer as to where she was and if Gabriel was in the car at the time.

vjlaw · #**578** 01-26-2010, 08:37 PM

Do we know if the grandfather called LM to tell him Elizabeth borrowed his car? She was able to stay in SA for several days,even talked to LM and of course TS, rode the bus from SA to Fort Lauderdale, made it to a hostel in Miami Beach. It was then she got on her FB, but wasn't there also a tip where she was. Once she left SA it seems they had her on radar. It just seems odd to me she was able to be picked up so quickly in FL. I am not sure what is not making sense to me here but something seems off. Maybe the tipster was someone who knew she had been in SA. jmo

pghbrandi · #**579** 01-26-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sleuth2001

I would hope TS wouldn't "do" anything to him. We would all know if he was found not alive an approx time of death and EJ has been in jail almost a month and if it is the case and TS made a threat then she would have even more evidence against her.

I also hope she wouldn't "do" anything either! I was just typing out things, that's all. Didn't mean to offend you or anyone else. Sorry.

sleuth2001 · #**580** 01-26-2010, 08:39 PM

could be they are trying to trace where the car has been by some chemical found on it. I know I live near a town where there is a factory and it emits not only a stench in the air but what they call fall out which can cover a car. Also they can check dirt samples as well since different geographic areas soil is made up differently. Just a thought

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captdj · #**581** 01-26-2010, 08:40 PM

Car washing?? Forensic of grass seeds and dirts can pinpoint to their geographic origin...maybe they are tracing whether the car has been south of San Antonio or certain areas within the city even....

Prof · #**582** 01-26-2010, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CathyinTexas

I am a little behind. Do you think the police had Elizabeth call her so they could hear Tammi admit to it? Why would Elizabeth not answer Tammi when she asked her to tell her how Tammi set this up?

If you listen to the video interview TS says she asked EJ two questions -- do you know the name of the people who have Gabriel and do you know their address? What kind of crazy questions are those-- if TS set the thing up, EJ would not have that information because that is why she would go along with TS setting it up--she did not want to have a chance to change her mind (EJ has asserted this before) IMO EJ could not have answered TS' ridiculous questions, because they made no sense at all!

Keep in mind that TS is controlling the telling of this story-- EJ's story, and she has all along IMO

sleuth2001 · #**583** 01-26-2010, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pghbrandi

I also hope she wouldn't "do" anything either! I was just typing out things, that's all. Didn't mean to offend you or anyone else. Sorry.

oh no offense. I had the same thought as you on this one and the maybe threat that was made there. I have actually been thinking the same way for a while and thinking that maybe that is why EJ don't talk and for the code talk in the interviews between her and TS. She may have been warned prior to any of this and TS is reminding her if this. No offense at all...we all need to throw the ideas out there.

Prof · #**584** 01-26-2010, 08:43 PM

You did not offend me PGH - I love your posts on Gabriel's case!

Baznme · #**585** 01-26-2010, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by pghbrandi

Maybe she does (TS) have good friends in the underground and if EJ makes her mad enough, she will hand Gabriel off to them and they will not turn TS in as the one who did it. They will say it was EJ. (that's a bit better than my last theory I think.)

IF......and I say it's a big IF.......this truly is an underground maneuver initiated by TS, it's my guess that they have a very precise mode of operation. In other words, it's possible that it's protocol NOT to know the actual names of the people you're handing the child off to OR where they may be from. It's also possible that it's suggested that the person doing the handing over........wash the car, no prints, no dirt, no tell tale signs. I think this was the ultimate plan. Hide the baby until a few years from now, his looks would have changed so much, no one would recognize him. The only monkey wrench in the whole operation is TS forged the most important document and got caught at it. Now, she's floundering trying to cover her tracks with a big broom and implicating EJ as the mastermind. It's not going to work. EJ is the most important person in this world and she's not going down for this without taking TS with her. Seems to me, this process has already begun.

Prof · #**586** 01-26-2010, 08:45 PM

Yes, we are all throwing ideas out there to cover all possibilities for little Gabriel and his daddy, and I for one think it is an important part of any sleuthing -- and it's the way we get things done -- we have such great thinkers here, and I think we work together pretty well!

pghbrandi · #**587** 01-26-2010, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Prof

You did not offend me PGH - I love your posts on Gabriel's case!

Thanks Prof! I love your posts here also!

Baznme · #**588** 01-26-2010, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sleuth2001

could be they are trying to trace where the car has been by some chemical found on it. I know I live near a town where there is a factory and it emits not only a stench in the air but what they call fall out which can cover a car. Also they can check dirt samples as well since different geographic areas soil is made up differently. Just a thought

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Regarding fallout.....this is soooo true of Texas. I lived there in Pasadena, not far from Houston for only 6 months because I could not take the pollution from the oil refineries. You could not open a window for even half a day without black soot on your windowsill.

Prof · #**589** 01-26-2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Baznme

IF......and I say it's a big IF.......this truly is an underground maneuver initiated by TS, it's my guess that they have a very precise mode of operation. In other words, it's possible that it's protocol NOT to know the actual names of the people you're handing the child off to OR where they may be from. It's also possible that it's suggested that the person doing the handing over........wash the car, no prints, no dirt, no tell tale signs. I think this was the ultimate plan. Hide the baby until a few years from now, his looks would have changed so much, no one would recognize him. The only monkey wrench in the whole operation is TS forged the most important document and got caught at it. Now, she's floundering trying to cover her tracks with a big broom and implicating EJ as the mastermind. It's not going to work. EJ is the most important person in this world and she's not going down for this without taking TS with her. Seems to me, this process has already begun.

EXACTLY and don't forget the little detail of leaving the car seat and some of his things behind -

sleuth2001 · #**590** 01-26-2010, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pghbrandi

Thanks Prof! I love your posts here also!

pgh i used do in quotes cause I didn't want to say killed...I dread the thought

pghbrandi · #**591** 01-26-2010, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sleuth2001

pgh i used do in quotes cause I didn't want to say killed...I dread the thought

I completely understand. I dread that thought too. I'm pretty sure we all do.

sleuth2001 · #**592** 01-26-2010, 08:58 PM

logan is on the bring gabriel home page wanting the timeline emailed to him. I can't find it as quick as some of u sleuthers.

momtective · #**593** 01-26-2010, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Concernedmomarizona

Channel 12 Phx-Focus is that she could end up facing murder charges in San Antonio if evidence is found. The on site reporter in front of the landfill said they searched for him yesterday??!! with no luck which is good news for those thinking of him in Phoenix??!
The assistant da in San Antonio was on: he said they are working closely with Phoenix authorities on possible charges. If evidence becomes available they could charge EJ there. (Duh).
Then guess who was on??? TS saying that she thinks the LE is not investigating everyone that could be involved adequately. There are a few people that she believes she be investigated as carefully as she and JS have been.

This was the newscast at 6pm.

I walked away from this more positive than the previous report. I feel like maybe LE is talking a little more to apply some pressure???

Who does she know that should be investigated? Who does she even know within Elizabeth or Logan's family or friends? Who does she even know that might have even had contact with Gabriel? NO ONE!

By her own admission she had only really had contact with EJ for a couple of weeks, yes, she met er in an airport but she never had contact with her until about 2 weeks prior to EJ leaving with Gabriel. I think it was on the Today show that she said this and Jack backed her up, even stating "We only had him for 8 days, we had only known her for about 8 days." Same interview where they said they had been duped.
Tammi only knows two things in my opinion...she knows exactly how Gabriel got to wherever he is right now and she knows she's going to jail, and I honestly think EJ could get off scott free if it is proven that she suffers from PPD and was manipulated and taken advantage of in her diminished capacity by Tammi. Tammi really needs to just lock herself in her glorious estate and keep her mouth shut but then again I don't really want her to do that because I very much want to see her do the perp walk. I've said all along, when Tammi is arrested and charged we will find Gabriel. JMO but I will pull this post back up when it happens...

NewMommy09 · #**594** 01-26-2010, 09:01 PM

Has anyone been on Gabriel's FB group lately. In the Discussions part there is a lady who posted she wanted to help and that she is an international forensic handwriting expert and specializing in criminal minds. She's offering pro-bono help and gave info for them to check her credentials. Hope this pans out for them.

http://www.facebook.com/?filter=app_...96&topic=14670

Ives · #**595** 01-26-2010, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Baznme

Regarding fallout.....this is soooo true of Texas. I lived there in Pasadena, not far from Houston for only 6 months because I could not take the pollution from the oil refineries. You could not open a window for even half a day without black soot on your windowsill.

Good Old Stinkadena!! LOL, my Grandmother and aunt lived there forever!! Just recently moved. I could always tell when we were close!!

Baznme · #**596** 01-26-2010, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by momtective

Who does she know that should be investigated? Who does she even know within Elizabeth or Logan's family or friends? Who does she even know that might have even had contact with Gabriel? NO ONE!

By her own admission she had only really had contact with EJ for a couple of weeks, yes, she met er in an airport but she never had contact with her until about 2 weeks prior to EJ leaving with Gabriel. I think it was on the Today show that she said this and Jack backed her up, even stating "We only had him for 8 days, we had only known her for about 8 days." Same interview where they said they had been duped.
Tammi only knows two things in my opinion...she knows exactly how Gabriel got to wherever he is right now and she knows she's going to jail, and I honestly think EJ could get off scott free if it is proven that she suffers from PPD and was manipulated and taken advantage of in her diminished capacity by Tammi. Tammi really needs to just lock herself in her glorious estate and keep her mouth shut but then again I don't really want her to do that because I very much want to see her do the perp walk. I've said all along, when Tammi is arrested and charged we will find Gabriel. JMO but I will pull this post back up when it happens...

I agree with everything you said. I don't want TS to shut up.....I don't think she's capable though anyway. She's floundering right about now.

Just curious but what are the laws in AZ regarding recording phone calls from prisoners?

DaneBramage · #**597** 01-26-2010, 09:10 PM

Perhaps LE is trying to pin down a Car Wash in SA for possible evidence? Perhaps they are thinking she washed the car to cover up evidence?

NewMommy09 · #**598** 01-26-2010, 09:10 PM

Sleuthers,
Please see my new thread about tips and suggestions for Logan's trip. He posted this on FB and he needs some help.

Baznme · #**599** 01-26-2010, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sleuth2001

logan is on the bring gabriel home page wanting the timeline emailed to him. I can't find it as quick as some of u sleuthers.

I'll give it a stab. BRB

momtective · #**600** 01-26-2010, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Baznme

I agree with everything you said. I don't want TS to shut up.....I don't think she's capable though anyway. She's floundering right about now.

Just curious but what are the laws in AZ regarding recording phone calls from prisoners?

All phone calls from all correctional facilities are recorded as far as I know.