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Old 04-01-2010, 02:51 AM
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Oh boy...Dr. Phil is hopping aboard...

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Hi, I work at the Dr. Phil Show and we are working on putting together a show on Bullying, more particularly Phoebe's story - if you or someone you know might be interested in speaking out about her story, or your own story as a bully or dealing w/bullying, send me a message and I'd be happy to give you more information about what we're doing. Thanks
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No one dies from one small cut...but Phoebe endured a death by a thousand "cuts." The difference between one bee sting and a swarm of a thousand stinging bees...it's fatal.

But a "Death by a thousand Cuts" means there were many , many opportunities to STOP what happened. There were many , many opportunities to save Phoebe. School officials are more than negligent here...they are essentially conspirators...because THEY CHOSE not to stop the torture.

Why?

Who are these "children?" Special athletes? Children of friends or prominent local families?

Here's how this could have been ended IMMEDIATELY. Call in Kayla and Sean....Flanney and her Boyfriend....remind them that as athletes they are leaders. As leaders , they are RESPONSIBLE. Tell them, starting TODAY, any action against this girl BY ANYONE...will have you sit out a game. Three actions...you two are off your teams. For those not on a team. Any action means YOU have detention...three actions YOU are suspended. All the wannabees tormented Phoebe to impress these "leaders" and show loyalty.

IMMEDIATELY after the suicide, the correct names were on the Internet. Phoebe's mother no doubt gave them names too. This is FULL OUT dereliction of duty! nothing hard here...except earning YOUR PAY!

This was no "suicide"...it was "Death by a Thousand cuts"over three long months... as these school officials drew a paycheck and did nothing.

I hope there will be civil suits in this case. It is intolerable that anyone should be required BY LAW or financial circumstances to return day after day to a place of torment enabled by neglect.
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Paladine, I want to thank you for your dedication to this thread. I struggled to find info on this case a few weeks ago but now I have much right at my fingertips. Thank you.

After following the the myspace mother case....link here : http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ty.html?cat=17

where the mom posed as an ex boyfriend to Meier and told her that the world would be a better place without her, after which the young girl committed suicide within an hour of the break-up....the mom was found guilty of 3 misdemeanor charges and no felonies, I personally did not feel like that was justice for the young girl or her family. After following that case, then hearing about the charges in this case, I knew there must be some pretty far reaching, deep things involved with this case and the things that were said and done to Phoebe. I was preparing myself for the shock of what these kids said and did to her. I didn't prepare myself enough!
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Reaction from Phoebe's hometown in Ireland...

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...ome&position=4
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Paladine, I want to thank you for your dedication to this thread. I struggled to find info on this case a few weeks ago but now I have much right at my fingertips. Thank you.

After following the the myspace mother case....link here : http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ty.html?cat=17

where the mom posed as an ex boyfriend to Meier and told her that the world would be a better place without her, after which the young girl committed suicide within an hour of the break-up....the mom was found guilty of 3 misdemeanor charges and no felonies, I personally did not feel like that was justice for the young girl or her family. After following that case, then hearing about the charges in this case, I knew there must be some pretty far reaching, deep things involved with this case and the things that were said and done to Phoebe. I was preparing myself for the shock of what these kids said and did to her. I didn't prepare myself enough!
The woman in the Meier case did not herself send the messages. And she was also acquitted of the misdemeanor charges by the judge.

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Perfect! Unrelated but precedent setting, we can hope...

"Federal Jury Orders School District to Pay Student for Ignoring Pattern of Bullying"
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School districts across America may now have to be more vigilant about student bullying and harassment in the wake of a landmark court case in Michigan. Hudson Area Schools has been ordered to pay a former student $800,000 for ignoring Dane Patterson’s repeated complaints about students who taunted and subjected him to humiliating behavior.
http://www.allgov.com/Controversies/...ullying_100401
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HOW can he defend it when a Girl's dead?

"Mass. school head defends response to bullying"

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A Massachusetts school superintendent is defending his administration's handling of bullying that prosecutors say contributed to a 15-year-old girl's suicide.

South Hadley Superintendent Gus Sayer said Wednesday that high school officials disciplined students heard to insult and harass Phoebe Prince. But he says the faculty didn't know the extent of the bullying until a week before Prince hanged herself on Jan. 14.

Sayer's comments contradict the allegations of District Attorney Elizabeth Scheibel, who said school officials knew about the harassment but did little to intervene.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...7J6mQD9EQ7VG02

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Wasn't there a time when schools had respect for the law and D.A.'s? What's up with this? Afraid of being sued, perhaps?

"Schools head defends response to bullying, Rebuts prosecutor on teen’s suicide"

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"That’s the first we learned of it, and we took very strong action,’’ he said. “We don’t have knowledge of any bullying or other incidents before that. No one turned their back on this. I think we did everything we could. If I thought I had done something wrong, I would resign. But I think we did our best.’’
Well then, Mr. Sayer...you did your BEST? THIS was your BEST? Then you need to be fired!
http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...e_to_bullying/
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HOW can he defend it when a Girl's dead?

"Mass. school head defends response to bullying"


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...7J6mQD9EQ7VG02

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http://run4chocolate.wordpress.com/2...n-disciplined/
How can you blame Superintendent Gus Sayer for failing to address this problem? I mean, they did the whole discipline thing to the students causing the insults/harassment to Phoebe Prince. *And*, they obviously only knew a week before the extent of this "issue" before Phoebe hanged herself. Which means, technically, they only had 5 days to deal with it. You know, the school week. Can you imagine the pressure? I can understand why they never contacted anyone, including Phoebe and her family, to make more of plan of support for her and provide the intolerance responsibility stated in the schools handbook.

Made me ill just typing this sarcastic crap I do not believe, but may have been actually rationalized by "them".

Fire the s.o.b. Then, hold accountable the staff that were very much aware/witnesses to this. I'd sue the ***tards.
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Wasn't there a time when schools had respect for the law and D.A.'s? What's up with this? Afraid of being sued, perhaps?

"Schools head defends response to bullying, Rebuts prosecutor on teen’s suicide"



Well then, Mr. Sayer...you did your BEST? THIS was your BEST? Then you need to be fired!
http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...e_to_bullying/
All this rhetoric is nothing short of "protecting ones a$$". He and this schools administration will be made an example of. Let's help with that kind of pressure. Phoebe went through much worse than they are...
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How can you blame Superintendent Gus Sayer for failing to address this problem? I mean, they did the whole discipline thing to the students causing the insults/harassment to Phoebe Prince. *And*, they obviously only knew a week before the extent of this "issue" before Phoebe hanged herself. Which means, technically, they only had 5 days to deal with it. You know, the school week. Can you imagine the pressure? I can understand why they never contacted anyone, including Phoebe and her family, to make more of plan of support for her and provide the intolerance responsibility stated in the schools handbook.

Made me ill just typing this sarcastic crap I do not believe, but may have been actually rationalized by "them".

Fire the s.o.b. Then, hold accountable the staff that were very much aware/witnesses to this. I'd sue the ***tards.

I've read unsubstantiated reports bullying was reported in Nov/09, please...don't ask me where, right now. They may be rationalizing, separating the 2 bullying episodes. I've read, unconfirmed, that Phoebe dated 2 boys, at different times, which invoked the ire of other girls who had claimed ownership of them. Sayer may say, we dealt with the one last year, this was a new one, kinda deal. Thank goodness there will be a trial and the complaints made and who saw what WILL be exposed. I hope there's a civil suit, as well. Some light needs to shine into that town...for the kids sake.
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All this rhetoric is nothing short of "protecting ones a$$". He and this schools administration will be made an example of. Let's help with that kind of pressure. Phoebe went through much worse than they are...
I'd be glad to help ...we need to keep interest in this case alive, in any little way we can. I posted the link to this thread to that local bloggers page, run4chocolate...might get us some new info to work with. If someone from there, comes here, too...and, btw...

:Welcome-12-june: to any locals. (AND non-locals )Please feel free to join and post, you are most welcome...help us out here Especially regarding the tie to the bullies and the admin. Why did they protect them so much? Why were they not punished? Was it the families? Was it sports, to preserve the teams? That's what I want to know, right now...
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My daughter is living in Ireland and says this is a HUGE story over there- I've been sending her all your links - thanks so much for keeping this case front and center in Websleuths Paladine!
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Along with being a sports star, it seems Miss Narey was quite the academic, as well. She can't claim stupidity. School newsletter from November announcing Narey had advanced scores in English and Math.

And Sean Mulveyhill won the Adams Scholarship, FREE tuition for 4 years at any MASS. college or university! Wonder how an expulsion or reprimand would have affected THAT! The announcement was signed "Mr. Dan Smith"...

It's a PDF...

http://www.shschools.com/shhs/docume...s/November.pdf
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My daughter is living in Ireland and says this is a HUGE story over there- I've been sending her all your links - thanks so much for keeping this case front and center in Websleuths Paladine!
You are welcome. My late Husband was Irish. An O'Kane. This touches my heart for him, too. He used to call me cushla ma cree (darling of my heart kinda thing)...pardon my gaelic. Now...my heart aches for Phoebe...
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Speculation> From what I've read, Sean Mulveyhill also bullied Phoebe. I find this particularily disturbing because she was intimate with him, young girls trust. I wonder how much he, and the other boy, used Phoebe as the excuse for why they messed with her. For example, something like, "It's HER fault, SHE'S a whore...WE couldn't help ourselves, she's just too easy." Once the star football captain turned on her, I'm sure even more would feel free to jump on board.
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omg...here's a cached facebook page, the original's deleted. Sean Mulveyhill was voted Class Flirt 09/10! How'd THAT work out for him...

http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache...&ct=clnk&gl=ca
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An observation. While searching for info, I'm finding ALOT of malicious sites. MANY more than any other case I've searched for. A simple seach of names doesn't seem to work. Unique words need to be used to avoid the bad sites. IMO, likely set up to try and detour us/the public from searching...HA! They don't know us.
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An observation. While searching for info, I'm finding ALOT of malicious sites. MANY more than any other case I've searched for. A simple seach of names doesn't seem to work. Unique words need to be used to avoid the bad sites. IMO, likely set up to try and detour us/the public from searching...HA! They don't know us.
Thanks Paladine, for all your research.

I am so outraged by this case and the thoughts of the cruelty Phoebe faced for months while the school officials enabled it!

Thank you for all you are doing!
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ITA-kids are so much meaner today and I am not sure what the explanation is for this. It has to be partly the parenting, the idea that kids must never be criticized as it might harm their self-esteem (!) which came about in the 90's or so...teachers have been stripped of all power in classrooms as far as any kind of punishment that might humiliate a student, no matter what he/she is doing that might warrant a punishment, parents get outraged and sue school systems if Junior is admonished or gets a lower grade than the parent feels the little treasure should have, etc...all of these things add up to kids obtaining a sense that they can get away with anything and mommy and daddy will jump to their defense...
Most parents want/need to believe that their kids are special...but the parents of many of the people in prisons in this country surely once believed that too...spoiled, unkind kids grow up to be spoiled, unkind adults whose thoughts are only for themselves. This country has become incredibly self-absorbed and the internet only enables this self-love.
Meanwhile, the unfortunate kids who don't have the right look, the right clothes, the right whatever it is that makes other kids single them out are left to fend for themselves as school adminstrators are heistant to take action in so many cases, possibly fearing retribution from the offenders' parents more than fearing for the child being abused. Or they just are ignoring situations rather than be the one to take charge and take action.
Somehow, someway, we have to find a way to re-instill a sense of right and wrong in kids and teens. I don't know what the answer is but I do know that we did not have this kind of bullying back when I was in HS in the late 70's or anything even close to it. Kids were routinely suspended for smoking on school grounds, etc...fighting could mean expulsion. Sure, the jocks always thought they were cooler than everyone else but were so busy trying to impress the cheerleaders, it left little time to worry about the "nerds" and outsiders.
I just have no patience with mean teens...and whatever is the harshest punishment possible in these cases, IMO, needs to be dished out. And if anything can be done to the parents, I'm all for it.
My mother taught high school for many many years and part of her job was to monitor the behavior of kids and dish out punishments, something that seems to have gone by the wayside in the PC era. Where is it getting us as a country to raise kids as though they must never be told they are wrong?
Sorry for the rant...the topic of teens/internet/bullying/violence is really one that sets me off.
Um, yeah it did exist back then, just maybe not at your school. I was bullied and called horrible names back in 1969-1972. My 4th, 5th, and 6th grade years were h*ll. None of my friends would hang around with me for fear they would be picked on, and I was pushed into a fight and they made a ring around me so I couldn't escape and they were hoping this one mean girl would pummel me!!! It happened during the recess and lunch breaks when there were no adults supervising.
All because I was one of the smallest girls and in 4th grade, a popular boy didn't want to have to sit next to me when the teacher made up the seating chart, and my mother used to dress me dorkily.
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Thanks Paladine, for all your research.

I am so outraged by this case and the thoughts of the cruelty Phoebe faced for months while the school officials enabled it!

Thank you for all you are doing!
Thanks. Others here have contributed, too, I must say. And thank goodness! It's lonely on a quiet thread...I like friends

I didn't think I could handle this case, it's too painful...the thought of someone suffering for a day before they die is bad enough, as is the case in some of these cases. But when the pain goes on for months? That hurts. Alot. I'm very empathetic it can be a real drag. But...so far, so good.

I've been posting this link to this forum everywhere I can, as are others, where locals might be...hopefully someone posts...
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The woman in the Meier case did not herself send the messages. And she was also acquitted of the misdemeanor charges by the judge.
Interesting, not the way I remember it at all. Guess I should read up because the link on my computer says the opposite. I must check for an acquittal date on those misdemeanor charges.

Ticks me off even more to know that she got away with bullying the poor girl. JMO

Makes me believe( even more so) that the prosecutor in this case must have a truckload of evidence to decide to bring the charges that they have, I hope they are found guilty and punished to the fullest extent possible according to the law.
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Boston Herald gives it to officials in South Hadley...

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South Hadley doesn’t need new bullying laws or legislative edicts. It doesn’t need to criminalize schoolyard taunts or Internet insults.

What South Hadley needs is a tea party.

Did you read yesterday’s Herald story about the reaction of the school stooges to the arrests in the Phoebe Prince case? Forget President Barack Obama being arrogant and out of touch. South Hadley School Committee Chairman Edward Boisselle makes him look like a Sarah Palin populist.

When the district attorney’s report found that “Phoebe’s harassment was common knowledge,” Boisselle’s reaction was (I’m paraphrasing slightly) “Oh yeah? Sez you!”

“Did they go interview all 700 kids at the school and found out that more than 300 knew about it? Isn’t that the only way you could tell that they factually knew about it?”

Boisselle is also standing by his invisible superintendent, Gus Sayer, who as of this writing was still unavailable for comment after the indictment of nine of his students.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opi...nHerald.com%29
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That was awesome! Good for him. That's exactly the public response we need to wake people up and shake these bums out.

Now for a similar slap-down of these bully parents...
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