FL- missing lottery winner Abraham Shakespeare, last seen April '09. Found 1/28/10 #1

[tigergal71]

[quote=Iminuru;4755972]Attorney Howard Stitzel doesn't work or live in house where he placed his attorney sign. The hanging shingle with a phone number missing the area code and ending in AMP (American Medical Professionals).

Howard goes home at night to his house at 4205 W Keysville Rd, Plant City (he's listed as sole owner/property tax records are sent to this address in his name).

He goes to work at 206 N Collins St in Plant City. Stitzel and Byrd did transfered the property deed of their law practice to the Stitzel Property Group a few months ago. Hillsborough Property Records confirm this.QUOTE]

the 206 N Collins St address is Byrd & Barnhill's office. Stitzel & Byrd parted ways in January 2009.
It was stated (I believe on the news as well as in posts here) that Stitzel was working in the 5732 Hwy 60 property running his law practice out of that office. He was even quoted as saying DeeDee Moore was his landlord. (Business landlord, I'm sure he meant)

I am almost completely positive on the above info. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
sorry bout this....i bolded my response, because something happened with my "Quote" of the prior post!

[Iminuru]

Shar Krasniqi (previously posted)

Miami Herald Archives Dated 6/24/84
Palm Beach Gardens Medical Center
Mr. & Mrs. Jashar Krasniqi (Patricia Spencer), P.O. Box 5601, Lake Worth, a son, Ja Daniel.

The Palm Beach Post Archives Dated 1/10/1999
RUSSELL DANWOOD SPENCER - Patricia's father Born in PA on February 4, 1936, passed away on December 29, 1998. He had lived in Port Saint Joe, FL for the past year moving there from Lantana, FL after retiring from Spencer Title Services, Inc. and the South Florida Water Management District. He resided in South FL for 38 years. He served in the U.S. Air Force, graduated from the University of Miami, was a member of the U of M Alumni, was a member of the Knights of Columbus and a member of the Port Saint Joe
He leaves to cherish his memory a loving, devoted wife, Darlene Spencer of Port Saint Joe, FL; daughter and son-in-law, Debbi and Robert Geiger of Chipley, daughter, Patricia Spencer,daughter and son-in-law, Pamela and Garry

Danielle I Krasniqi (Shar's sister)
Licensed Massage Therapist Issued: 3/11/08
4035 Valencia Court
Panama City, FL 32405 - this is home of Debbie & Robert Geiger - sister of Patricia - Shar's mother

Deborah Ann Spencer-Geiger -Shar's aunt
Registered Nurse
4035 Valencia Court
Panama City, FL 32405

Deborah A Gumbert Spencer - Shar's aunt
Licensed LPN
3040 N W 72nd Way
Hollywood, FL 33024

Patricia Meli - Shar's mother
Dental Radiographer
8550 N Sherman Cir #101
Hollywood, FL 33025

DeeDee E Donegan - Shar's business partner
Certified Nursing Assistant - license obtained 8/12/91; expires 12/31/2010

(Let me know if I have errors here, or need to add anything)





"I didn't know there was such dirty, evil people on this earth, but I really know now," Abraham's mother said. "I'm so hurt.
I've been praying about it. God is the only one who can bring out the truth and give me strength."

[LadyL]

I think there is so much more than even what's been unearthed by our fine WS'ers ... as if the mountainload in these threads isn't enough

I said this early on - I think DD and her 'associates' (family, friends, lawyers et al) are an 'Irish Traveler' group w/o the caravan

their greed & stupidity led them beyond confidence scams and insurance fraud ... and Abraham was an easy target for them

WHEN are the arrests coming??? (and there better be multiple arrests!) I'm getting impatient

[tigergal71]

Originally Posted by Iminuru

Attorney Howard Stitzel doesn't work or live in house where he placed his attorney sign. The hanging shingle with a phone number missing the area code and ending in AMP (American Medical Professionals).

Howard goes home at night to his house at 4205 W Keysville Rd, Plant City (he's listed as sole owner/property tax records are sent to this address in his name).

He goes to work at 206 N Collins St in Plant City. Stitzel and Byrd did transfered the property deed of their law practice to the Stitzel Property Group a few months ago. Hillsborough Property Records confirm this.

Okay, to further expound on my last post in response to this (my other response was post #376)

I see where it led you to believe Stitzel owned the property where Byrd & Barnhill's office is (206 Collins)....however, if you open the document and actually read its contents, It is a CORRECTION of a prior warranty deed dated 9/16/05. There is a chance I could be interpreting things wrong, but looks to me like Stitzel no longer has any type of holdings on the 206 Collins property.

[Iminuru]

trying to delete error post

[LadyL]

does anyone have one of those geneology tree makers? wondering if something like that would make it easier to visualize all the players in the case

I know there's such a thing as a forensic chart (? not sure what it's called) that police and lawyers use ...

that software would be so helpful (for me anyway)

[Iminuru]

Attorney Howard Stitzel doesn't work or live in house where he placed his attorney sign. The hanging shingle with a phone number missing the area code and ending in AMP (American Medical Professionals).

Howard goes home at night to his house at 4205 W Keysville Rd, Plant City (he's listed as sole owner/property tax records are sent to this address in his name).

He goes to work at 206 N Collins St in Plant City. Stitzel and Byrd did transfered the property deed of their law practice to the Stitzel Property Group a few months ago. Hillsborough Property Records confirm this

the 206 N Collins St address is Byrd & Barnhill's office. Stitzel & Byrd parted ways in January 2009.
It was stated (I believe on the news as well as in posts here) that Stitzel was working in the 5732 Hwy 60 property running his law practice out of that office. He was even quoted as saying DeeDee Moore was his landlord. (Business landlord, I'm sure he meant)

I am almost completely positive on the above info. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
sorry bout this....i bolded my response, because something happened with my "Quote" of the prior post!

Yes, I know about 206 Collins... I'm establishing something here though... Byrd, Barnhill and Stitzel musical chairs... Stitzle was with Byrd... Barnhill with Byrd... Stitzel with...



"I didn't know there was such dirty, evil people on this earth, but I really know now," Abraham's mother said. "I'm so hurt.
I've been praying about it. God is the only one who can bring out the truth and give me strength."

[Iminuru]

oops!

[tigergal71]

[quote=Iminuru;4756051][quote=tigergal71;4755996]

Originally Posted by Iminuru

Attorney Howard Stitzel doesn't work or live in house where he placed his attorney sign. The hanging shingle with a phone number missing the area code and ending in AMP (American Medical Professionals).

Howard goes home at night to his house at 4205 W Keysville Rd, Plant City (he's listed as sole owner/property tax records are sent to this address in his name).

He goes to work at 206 N Collins St in Plant City. Stitzel and Byrd did transfered the property deed of their law practice to the Stitzel Property Group a few months ago. Hillsborough Property Records confirm this.

Yes, I know about 206 Collins... I'm establishing something here though... Byrd, Barnhill and Stitzel musical chairs... Stitzle was with Byrd... Barnhill with Byrd... Stitzel with...

THIS is what I think at this point: I heard somewhere that Stitzel left Byrd in January 2009, I think it was. I think that the dealings between Stitzel, DM & AS got to be such that Byrd began smelling the stink in the air and that was it. He was done. This is only an assumption of mine. I do know that Byrd handled at least one mortgage transaction in this mess. Maybe that's what made him privy to the fact that something weird and not normal was going on in this whole thing.
Who knows....I like to play Private Detective, but it's only for fun....I do not really profess to know what I'm doing LOL

[Susan1]

The other day the police let Howard Stitzel into the house on State Road 60 to get some of his work files out of there. That would seem to imply that he was working there. A phone call was made to the phone number on the sign awhile back. The person answered it as Howard Stitzel's law office. Howard Stitzel lists that address as his on the Bar site. Byrd's name is listed as the one who transferred the Quit Claim deed from Shakespeare to Dee Moore's company. But it does appear that at that point or shortly thereafter, Howard took over and they parted ways.
Just went back and looked at the paperwork. House was transferred by Quit Claim Deed which said it was prepared by on 1/9/09 Johnnie B Byrd, Jr., Byrd & Stitzel, PA, 206 North Collins Street, Plant City, FL 33563 813-759-1224. Johnnie Byrd will have to answer to how he transferred a house that the court records say Dee Moore paid over $600,000 for when the Sheriff said they couldn't see where she had that kind of money. Johnnie Byrd did not sign that document so it is possible someone else actually did the deed and that is why the split.
Assignments were prepared by D. Howard Stitzel III, 607 S Alexander Street, Suite 205 S, Plant City, Florida 33563 on 1/16/09. So it would appear that just a week after the deed was executed and just 3 days after it was filed, Howard is operating out of a new address.

[tigergal71]

FINALLY some news, albeit nothing earth shattering. Hillsborough LE is meeting with Polk LE & the State's Attorney's office tomorrow. I think the lid is about to blow off the can here folks. My guess is they are going to compare notes and see what kind of charges they are going to list and on who. Then, we're going to see some action.

I'll try my best to catch the noon news and give you all an update if I can. I'm not sure how much you guys hear out of the viewing area.....and I know here, we only hear BLURBS....usually no more than 10 seconds or so!!!!!

[RR0004]

Originally Posted by Susan1

At the time he had said that, the only lawyer who was in the media was Howard Stitzel who said he spoke to Abraham in October 2009, 3 months ago, and Abraham was fine. Since Abraham was found underneath a cement slab that the media said was laid 6 months ago, I'm assuming he was referring to Stitzel. It would appear that he is not the only lawyer who has taken advantage of Abraham from what was unearthed here, but he was the one saying he was the last one to talk to Abraham.

I was so confused by his statement...so much can be read into it. I thought someone was wondering what happened to all his money...and I interpreted the statement as perhaps the attorney who represented AS in his lawsuit in 2007 got a huge chunk of it. Now I'm even more confused.

[Iminuru]

So we can look at who we are writing about here:

Barnhill



Stitzel

[Iminuru]

Barnhill


Stitzel



I maintain

[Iminuru]

I must be crazy again, because I just came back to the same things I posted weeks back...

Posted:

* Push Stitzel's hair up further from his forehead, smooth it down flat.
* Lessen Barnhill's beard, or add to Stitzel's.
* If Stitzel smiles, nose and cheeks becomes more like Barnhill.
* Take smile off Barnhill and it brings down his nose and cheeks.
* Hairlines/shapes on sides of their heads are alike/very much the same.
* Have yet to find a pic where Stitzel smiles and shows any teeth.
* Unlike other attorney's I saw, these 2 have VERY few pics anywhere! Any the ones they have are repeats of these.
* Compare numbers of cases
* 2 ARE 1

Perhaps I should step away again... Good night!

NOPE, NOT CRAZY AT ALL!

[Susan1]

If you are local, why not just go on over there to Collins Street and introduce yourself. Maybe ask to see some ID.

[Iminuru]

Originally Posted by Susan1

If you are local, why not just go on over there to Collins Street and introduce yourself. Maybe ask to see some ID.

You're idea!!! I'll let you do that!!!

You seem open to many possibilities within all the raw data we toss out here, why so extremely opposed to this one.

And WHY would you even suggest that I go anywhere near any of this mess????????? I would never dream of telling you or anyone such a thing!!!

No thanks, that's not right! Good night!



"I didn't know there was such dirty, evil people on this earth, but I really know now," Abraham's mother said. "I'm so hurt.
I've been praying about it. God is the only one who can bring out the truth and give me strength."

[Susan1]

This is not raw data. Raw data is where you throw out a fact, a public record, a news story, that may or may not be related to the case. When you start jumping to conclusions without fact, that is not raw data. It wouldn't hold up in court.
But I'll be happy to go over to his office and ask to speak to Mr. Barnhill. No problem with that whatsoever. I'm local. It will have to be on Friday as I work 10 hour days in Tampa.
I'm more than happy to admit they look a lot alike. They may even be related, who knows? But I do not believe they are the same person.
What is Barnhill's first name? I forgot it.
Channel 9 News is showing that video we have been watching forever. They are showing it now.

[smart blonde]

Just poking my head in the door, to say that I am blown away by all the information you all have uncovered, along with your hard work and dedication.

I wish Abraham would have been as fortunate in life to have people such as yourselves looking out for him, as he has now that he has passed. If he is somewhere looking down on all this, I have no doubt his spirit is warmed by the compassion of my fellow Websleuths, striving to bring him justice.

You all are doing an extraordinary job, and I'm sure Abraham would be so grateful.

Sorry for the interruption. Carry on....

[Iminuru]

Originally Posted by Susan1

This is not raw data. Raw data is where you throw out a fact, a public record, a news story, that may or may not be related to the case. When you start jumping to conclusions without fact, that is not raw data. It wouldn't hold up in court.
But I'll be happy to go over to his office and ask to speak to Mr. Barnhill. No problem with that whatsoever. I'm local. It will have to be on Friday as I work 10 hour days in Tampa.
I'm more than happy to admit they look a lot alike. They may even be related, who knows? But I do not believe they are the same person.

NO, someone would have to see them face to face AT THE SAME TIME... there is no such event, as of this time!

[Iminuru]

And yes, I believe we collect some raw date here. We are not using this in court. We look, we speculate, we rsearch, we toss ideas around... we are not lawyers taking this stuff to court.

Again, why so harshly against this possibility?????????

[Iminuru]

" RAW DATA"... or "unanalyzed data; data not yet subjected to analysis"... Raw data (sometimes called source data or atomic data) is data that has not been processed for use... Although raw data has the potential to become "information," it requires selective extraction, organization, and sometimes analysis and formatting for presentation... As a result of processing, raw data sometimes ends up in a database, which enables the data to become accessible for further processing and analysis in a number of different ways.

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[Susan1]

Okay, now would you like some more proof, i.e. facts - public documents - that David Barnhill is who he says he is?
Howard Stitzel's parents were both killed in an accident here in Florida a few years back. I believe they were buried up in a northern state.
David H. Barnhill's parents would appear to be Davis A. Barnhill and Susan H. Barnhill, who state that their son is David H Barnhill of 602 E Alexander Street, Plant City, Florida 33566 and his sister is Elizabeth Warner of San Francisco, CA.
Polk County Records
http://ori2.polk-county.net/wb_or1/d...5&doc_status=V
Are you satisfied now?
Put in Barnhill David H. Look at the last one that says POA (power of attorney).
Raw data is exactly that - data. Not jumping to conclusions. And your suggestion that Howard Stitzel is David Barnhill will never hold water because it just is not true.

[Iminuru]

Originally Posted by Susan1

Okay, now would you like some more proof, i.e. facts - public documents - that David Barnhill is who he says he is?
Howard Stitzel's parents were both killed in an accident here in Florida a few years back. I believe they were buried up in a northern state.
David H. Barnhill's parents would appear to be Davis A. Barnhill and Susan H. Barnhill, who state that their son is David H Barnhill of 602 E Alexander Street, Plant City, Florida 33566 and his sister is Elizabeth Warner of San Francisco, CA.
Polk County Records
http://ori2.polk-county.net/wb_or1/d...5&doc_status=V
Are you satisfied now?

NOPE, none of that shows the 2 of them in one place at the same time! It's like heresay! As we've shown, in other ways, people have established "other" identities.

[Susan1]

Well, then, I guess you must be me because there has never been a picture of us together at the same time. And when they finally had a picture of the three of them, you said it was photoshopped.