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Old 08-20-2010, 04:00 PM
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True. Like I mentioned he may have tried the abducting route without a gun. It was just the way he usually got his live victims. Anything is possible with Ed Gein. Just would like to see more proof of his really being in La Crosse that night. I'm not saying he couldn't have done it. He very well could have. Maybe a new search with better technology of his property would be a good idea, but is probably a subdivision or strip mall now, which also could have turned up clues when building. Or it could still be open land.
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:47 PM
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True. Like I mentioned he may have tried the abducting route without a gun. It was just the way he usually got his live victims. Anything is possible with Ed Gein. Just would like to see more proof of his really being in La Crosse that night. I'm not saying he couldn't have done it. He very well could have. Maybe a new search with better technology of his property would be a good idea, but is probably a subdivision or strip mall now, which also could have turned up clues when building. Or it could still be open land.
She also wasnt really his 'type', the women that he killed (and dug up) all had the same things in common - they all were older, larger heavy set women that resembled his mother. It seems like Evelyn was stabbed and not to be gross, but Gein wouldnt have used a knife on her due to the risk of harming whatever part of her body he would have wanted to use.

Ive been searching through old newspapers online and the only thing Ive ever been able to find that suggests that Gein was nearby that night is something that the Judge that was over the case later wrote in his book... The Judge said that Gein was within 2 blocks of the home visiting an 'aunt', yet his parents (George and Augusta Gein) had no living siblings, they also had no ties to the La Crosse area any longer. Although Gein was born there, when he was 8 years old his mother felt that it was 'evil' there and moved them to Plainfield on a 275 acre farm to remove her sons (and husband) from the temptation of evil.

His father died in 1940, his brother was murdered in 1944 (more than likely by him) and then his mother died late 1945. According to later investigation around 18 months after his mothers death was when he started to dig up graves - he would often go to where his mother was buried and would 'talk' with her, and later said that he started to get visions, which is what made him want to make himself into a woman so he started to read the paper and see what women that matched the type of woman he wanted had been freshly buried..

The only reason I bring any of this up is because even before the death of his mother he was very reclusive, which was part of his mothers doing - she was a very domineering woman who only very rarely allowed him to leave the farm, and wouldnt allow him to have any sort of friends. After his mothers death he suffered serious signs of agoraphobia and would very rarely leave the farm, and when he did only for short times.

Putting the alibi he had aside (he was doing handy man things for neighbors the day of) and the fact that he had no way to get to La Crosse and back (this car was later shown for 25 cents and billed as the car that "HAULED THE DEAD FROM THEIR GRAVES" but this wasnt true as it hadnt been driven in years) - going to 'visit' relatives that dont exist.

Im just not sure what to think - it just seems odd that there is only one person that says he was there that night, and it happens to be the Judge that wrote a book about it.
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Old 08-20-2010, 11:08 PM
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Maybe he was wearing some of his brothers clothes, it was only 10 years previous that he died and I get the impression they would have saved them, they didn't seem to be wealthy.
Its odd they would use the fact his shoe size was 1 size smaller than the shoes found as proof that it couldnt have been him - without a doubt the shoes could have been a size bigger and he could have worn them with no problem, and we know that he never threw anything out.
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Old 08-20-2010, 11:15 PM
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I read about the farmer finding the jacket as well, and his explanation was that he was working , saw it, tossed in his truck on the chance it could be related to the Hartley case and alerted police when he got the chance. Most likely he couldn't just stop what he was doing at that moment. Hard to say though.
That was what I originally thought but that was before I saw the date that the police went to visit the farmer because of the rumor going around that he had the jacket.

The shoes were found on Oct 29th, other people in the area reported that there was a jacket on the side of the road several days before the shoes were found. The police followed up the rumor and went to the farmers home on Nov 17th and found that he had the jacket.

It was all over the news for weeks after the shoes were found that all farmers (and people) should make sure to look all over their property for any items that didnt belong there, why would the farmer never come forward?
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Old 08-20-2010, 11:49 PM
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Punklove, I have just read one of your posts on page 10

'The panties and bra were found two miles south of the Rasmussen home. The torn white shirt was found in a cemetery'

I'm starting to come round to it not being Gein but couldn't help thinking about the clothes in the cemetry.
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Old 08-21-2010, 12:39 AM
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There are such varying accounts with this crime that it makes one's head spin. Example, some news articles reported her bra and panties found two miles away, others say 14 miles away on RT 14 near the town of Coon Valley. Some articles say her blouse was found in a cemetery, some say her blouse and pants were never recovered. With just about every important point of the story, there are different statements.

I posted earlier links to Google to see street views of the neighborhood. I could still try to upload my photos, but these pretty much show the same thing. I took all mine from the car. The book has some great pictures, many from newspapers, but I don't think I can show those with out the author's permission.
A random thought....One time, about six years ago when we were in La Crosse visiting family, we had just driven thought "the" neighborhood and Evelyn was heavily on my mind. We stopped at a Walmart nearby and when I was walking in this older lady, maybe in her late 60's early 70's smiled and said hello to me. I think because she noticed me looking at her, because I swear she looked like Evelyn only older. It was eerie. I still can see her face clearly in my mind because she really reminded me of her. I don't think it was her of course but it was still startling.
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Old 08-21-2010, 01:17 AM
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Found this just now while doing a Google search

In 1995 near the location of the old Gein home place parts of up to eleven human skeletons all female but one were discovered in a old well. Local police said that while they can not say 100 percent for certain it is in all likely hood that these 11 remains were the work of Ed Gein as they dated back to the time when he was on his killing spree in the area. One the only male was a mailman that vanished the year before Ed Gein was caught. Yes at the time of his disappearance he had been Ed Geins mail delivery person.


Never heard this before.
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Old 08-23-2010, 09:45 PM
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The jacket had blood stains (spots and smears) that were either type A or O, the most of the blood being on the back and front of the jacket, but there was a small amount of blood on the sleeves and neckline. The jacket was odd because it had been cut off (it was cut off around 2 inches below the tops of the bottom pockets) and rehemmed by a machine, the new hem was made with white thread (that didnt match the jacket).
So if this was the perp's jacket then it sounds like he carried her on his back. What's strange is that there isn't much on the sleeves, leading me to believe this was a two-man job. He was the carrier, the other guy was the retriever.

I wonder if the shortened hem served some type of purpose, like keeping out of the way of some type of machine used or work belt, or was a safety thing (ie it was a work shirt but if he was shorter the shirt could have hung low enough to get stuck in some gears or whatnot).
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Old 08-23-2010, 09:54 PM
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Detectives took on the grisily task of looking at the heads and face masks etc of corpses but none matched Evelyn.
EW. Oh my god he wore their FACES?!
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Old 08-23-2010, 10:00 PM
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Although Gein was born in La Crosse he lived in Plainfield which was about 112 miles away, the police apparently (according to the paper) went to the home of the farmer (not in Plainfield) and retrieved the jacket from there.

Not that it proves anything but Gein also passed a lie detector test about not being involved with the Hartley case.
I don't know if he lacked confidence or was afraid of the outside world but I can't imagine someone that rarely leaves home drive 112 miles. Totally could be wrong though.
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Old 08-24-2010, 02:12 AM
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EW. Oh my god he wore their FACES?!
Even more disgusting is that a simple google search and you can see the face 'masks' that he made (along with a lot of other gross photos of his home and the things they found within it - not for the weak hearted), oddly enough Gein had neighbor 'friend' named Gus that helped Gein dig the graves up (as well as open the casket) when Gein started.. Gein told him that it was for ‘medical experiments’ and his friend seemed to have no issue helping him with it.

During the span of 10 years Gein would check the newspaper, looking for 'fresh' dead female bodies, wait for a full moon and then go to the grave yard to 'collect' the entire corpse or just the parts he wanted before taking the items he kept home.

The reason the Judge felt that Gein had something to do with Evelyn's case was due to the fact that when Geins home was searched they found a box of salted vulva's, two of which that belonged to young women when there were no young women in the nearby area that that had died (or been buried). Geins mothers vulva was found within the box and was painted silver.

He wanted to become a woman - per wiki "The closest he would get to changing his sex was dressing up in his full woman bodysuit. This bodysuit was made entirely of human skin. It completely covered his body and included a mask and breasts."

I accidently saw some of the photos before and seriously they were just gross.
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Old 08-24-2010, 02:43 AM
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I don't know if he lacked confidence or was afraid of the outside world but I can't imagine someone that rarely leaves home drive 112 miles. Totally could be wrong though.
Yeah, I agree completely.

His mother moved them to that farmhouse with the huge amount of land in order to keep him away from other people, she didnt allow them to ever leave the farm other than going to school, and would punish him harshly anytime he dared to go away from the farm. He was very uneasy just leaving to babysit or to go to the store, it seems unlikely he would go so far.

He passed a lie detector test and also had alibis for the day she went missing - he was also a handyman for some neighbors.
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Old 08-24-2010, 07:26 PM
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Yeah, I agree completely.

His mother moved them to that farmhouse with the huge amount of land in order to keep him away from other people, she didnt allow them to ever leave the farm other than going to school, and would punish him harshly anytime he dared to go away from the farm. He was very uneasy just leaving to babysit or to go to the store, it seems unlikely he would go so far.

He passed a lie detector test and also had alibis for the day she went missing - he was also a handyman for some neighbors.
I think I'm off the fence on this one now, seems really unlikely it was him or that he was even there.

Also, I think I'll pass on the photos heh....and that's messed up the neighbor helped him dig. Probably wasn't the greatest guy and just thought it was a quick way to make cash - probably wouldn't have had anything to do with it if he knew what was actually happening. Painting things silver...that's a big w.t.f. right there.
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Old 08-25-2010, 12:08 AM
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I just have a gut feeling it wasn't Gein. From what
I've read over the years, what we have discussed here, and just a feeling.

I also feel if he had did it, he would have admitted it. He admitted to other murders, including his own brother. Once Gein was caught, he wasn't shy about talking about his crimes.
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Old 08-25-2010, 02:47 AM
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Just as I satisfy myself that it wasn't Gein I find myself reading something that makes me wonder again.
I do find it odd that Gus helped him dig and it seems two people were with Evelyn. It would be interesting to see if any obituaries included burials near where Evelyn was babysitting. Also I wonder what car Gus had.
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Old 08-25-2010, 02:54 AM
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So if this was the perp's jacket then it sounds like he carried her on his back. What's strange is that there isn't much on the sleeves, leading me to believe this was a two-man job. He was the carrier, the other guy was the retriever.

I wonder if the shortened hem served some type of purpose, like keeping out of the way of some type of machine used or work belt, or was a safety thing (ie it was a work shirt but if he was shorter the shirt could have hung low enough to get stuck in some gears or whatnot).
Or the shirt had got caught and was ripped and then was mended by removing the torn piece and shortened.
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Old 08-25-2010, 02:34 PM
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Just as I satisfy myself that it wasn't Gein I find myself reading something that makes me wonder again.
I do find it odd that Gus helped him dig and it seems two people were with Evelyn. It would be interesting to see if any obituaries included burials near where Evelyn was babysitting. Also I wonder what car Gus had.
Gus wasnt able to drive, he was a neighbor of Gein's that was considered very 'slow' which is why they think that he was so easy for Gein to convince to help in the start. Gus ended up in an asylum a few years before Evelyn went missing so he couldnt have been involved, Its so strange though, Gus had no problem at all helping Gein not only dig UP the graves, but open the coffin and help Gein 'harvest' what he wanted from the dead body. He never told on Gein or acted as if what he helped Gein do was abnormal in any way - he also was never brought into Gein's trial.

I go back and forth with the Gein thing, he was very much scared of being outside the comfort zone so I doubt he would go so far away BUT there were bodies found on the farm that werent dead bodies taken from the local area - which they felt were murdered, not taken after they are dead.
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Old 08-25-2010, 03:06 PM
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Just another piece of info, during the huge search for Evelyn, all or at least most new graves in the La Crosse area were re-opened in case her body was hidden in one. They seemed to search all over in addition to new graves, including the sewer(her brother helped search the sewer) in the rivers , the surrounding bluffs (hills) farms, woods and so on.
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Old 08-25-2010, 03:35 PM
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Just another piece of info, during the huge search for Evelyn, all or at least most new graves in the La Crosse area were re-opened in case her body was hidden in one. They seemed to search all over in addition to new graves, including the sewer(her brother helped search the sewer) in the rivers , the surrounding bluffs (hills) farms, woods and so on.
Thats part of what I dont get - it seems so odd to me that the search started so quickly and was so in depth but nothing of her body was ever found, though some of her clothing was.

Hope you dont mind me asking questions haha, but you seem to be from the area.. Does the area seem like one that you could get rid of a body easily that quickly?

There is something strange about it to me - why would someone throw out her (and his) clothing without attempting to hide it whatsoever but nothing ever has been found in regards to her body (or the other clothing that she was wearing)

We know that she went to the home wearing jeans & shirt, socks & shoes, panties and bra and a jacket.. I cant remember what was missing from the crime scene, other than the shoes was all of her clothing gone?

It just seems that the person obviously removed her clothing as her panties and bra were thrown out found, why keep her jeans/shirt but toss the panties and bra? They didnt attempt to hide the panties and bra at all, why? The whole lack of a pad thing confuses me too. Something was done to her body and remaining clothing that we have never found so much as a hint of her, why take that much care to hide those things but just toss her underthings?

Another thing I dont get - Im so shocked that nobody came forward with any info in regards to the shoes and jacket.. Mostly the jacket as it had been hemmed in such an unusual manner that was sure to attract attention - the jacket was also very worn so its not like the person didnt wear it all the time.
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And another issue I have in regards to the investigation -

The shoes had a odd wear pattern on the bottom of them that showed owner frequently operated a Whizzer motorbike. According to the Whizzer website there werent really ever that many made (1000 in 1939, 1400 in 1940), why not look further into that? You find the bike and you could find a link to the person that did this - the bottom of the shoe would be a perfect match to the top of the pedal of the bike.

Whizzer was redesigned numerous times so it doesnt seem all that diffcult to be able to match the wear pattern to the model of bike it matched and go from there attempting to find the amount of people that purchased that model? If that was too difficult, why not offer some sort of reward for people to come forward and give any sort of info on anyone they knew used that sort of bike?

On that note - why not offer a reward for someone that could indentify any of the found things as to belonging to someone they know?
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I'm thinking, if she was stabbed, it happened without having her coat on. Maybe the jacket/jeans were passed to a girlfriend or wife who wasn't in the 'know' and the shirt (found in the cemetry I think) bra and panties were disgarded because they would be harder to pass off, too personal to give away. As for the pad methinks kept as a trophy or disgarded in a hedge bottom.

edited to add Punklove beat me to the 'clothes' theory.
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Old 08-25-2010, 04:31 PM
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Found what she was wearing that day - A size 34 plain white Ship n' Shore blouse, size 16 red denim White Stag jeans and white bobby socks.

Id thnk that anything she was wearing would be very blood stained due to the amount of blood at the scene. I think you could be right about the pad thing.
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Sizes were labeled different then, so to some those sizes sound big, but Evelyn was a tall slim girl.

Punklove, I am not from the area but my dad grew up there and I have relatives in the area, so we go almost every year for a visit, so I know my way around pretty much. My dad went to the same high school as her, a year younger, but did not know her. He and many relatives remember how it all was when it happened.

There are a lot of areas a body could be hidden. I think she has not been found because she was taken out of the LaCrosse area. I think there is more to the LaFarge story, and that is a very remote, hilly area and I'm not sure the police looked real hard out that way.I read somewhere police did come out to that area in the 1960s , like they had a hunch or were told something, but left after looking around a bit. . All of the LaFarge stories mention police seem to know the house she was taken to(if those two men did it) and where she was buried. They have said though, if she was buried where they think she was, her body may no longer be there due to many floods in the area.

On one of the You Tube videos I posted a few months ago earlier in this thread, on video #5 I believe there are men from the area who came forward saying they suspected it was this man they worked with, and they swore he had the same jacket that was found. I'm not sure if this man is one of the same men in the La Farge stories. They did say that after Evelyn vanished, they never saw this man wear his jacket again. Before, he wore it all the time...
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Just looked at the Whizzer bikes, maybe the jacket was shortened to look like a bikers jacket, cheap version. The police today would check every owner of the bikes in the Wisconsin state, what a clue. I guess records were not kept as they are today.
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Just looked at the Whizzer bikes, maybe the jacket was shortened to look like a bikers jacket, cheap version. The police today would check every owner of the bikes in the Wisconsin state, what a clue. I guess records were not kept as they are today.
The jacket was hemmed in an odd manner, how do 'biker' jackets look? The jacket also had faded marks that said it looked as those the person worn a harness, wonder what that could mean.

Thats something I didnt understand, if you took into the amount of the bikes sold there werent that many to begin with. Focus on Wi and the states around WI to begin with and go from there. Doesnt seem so difficult but there must have been some reason they didnt?

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