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Old 02-20-2010, 10:17 PM
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Old 02-20-2010, 10:29 PM
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There is a Haitian church in Norcross run by Pastor Seneque Saintil.
I think he is also from New Orleans. I guess its a Baptist Church.
Its located at:
5225 Jimmy Carter Boulevard
Norcross, Ga. 30093.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if this isn't somehow connected to Jean Sainvil.
Unrelated. The pastors don't look alike.
The Mitspa Haitian Baptist Church is duly registered with the GA Sec of State.

No trace there however of Sainvil, Gospel Assembly, or Eglise Assemblee (the sign in the window).
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Old 02-20-2010, 10:52 PM
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I found Isaac Adrien, the young man who served as Silsby's scout. Seems that he's the director of the Children of Promise. I thought he was simply a young man who helped Silsby connect with some desperate parents:

http://www.echildrenofpromise.org/Ne...In-Rubble.aspx


"I would like to say that we all can be very proud of Isaac. He has done a great job in the midst of this traumatic event. He and his brother, Steve, begin translating today with the relief efforts being coordinated by Quisqueya Christian School. They felt God wanted them to sign up and volunteer.”

Note: Isaac was sponsored through Children of Promise for many years, was raised at the House of Blessings Orphanage, and is now the director of the Children of Promise program in Haiti. He is a living example of what sponsorship does in the lives of children."

http://www.echildrenofpromise.org/


I wonder if Judge Sainvil has interviewed Isaac.

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Old 02-20-2010, 11:00 PM
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Even though Phil Murphy is mentioned on the Children of Promise website along with Isaac Adrien, Mr. Murphy has distanced himself from the Silsby group:

http://haitihouseofblessings.org/

Phil Murphy Wrongly Linked to Haiti Orphan Drama

"The Lake Wales Ledger recently published an article detailing the unfortunate error made by the New York Times in falsely linking Phil Murphy with the 10 Americans detained in Haiti for attempting to illegally transport 33 children out of the country. Phil has no connection to the 10 Americans who tried to take children."

http://www.theledger.com/article/201...i-Orphan-Drama


I guess if it says it on the internet, we need to believe it.
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Old 02-20-2010, 11:11 PM
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Thinking about the timeline of who was where when. Silsby went to the orphanage where the Pickett kids were and tried to 'get' them. Do we have a date for that? Anyone know?

Answering my own question:

Sunday, Jan. 24: Silsby offers to help

Silsby makes the first of three phone calls to Richard and Malinda Pickett of Kentucky, offering to help get their three adopted children out of Haiti. The family tells her not to interfere.

Monday, Jan. 25: Silsby calls again

Silsby calls the Picketts for the last time offering her help to get the adopted children out of Haiti. The family refuses.

Tuesday, Jan. 26: Quest for orphans

• Orphanage worker Isaac Adrien meets Silsby in Port-au-Prince. He says Silsby tells him she is looking for homeless children.

• Silsby attempts to find the three children awaiting adoption by the Picketts, Richard Pickett says. The children were not given to her.


http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsup...y/1071122.html

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Old 02-20-2010, 11:24 PM
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Has anyone found any mention as to the name of the orphanage where the Pickett kids were? In a huge city, fraught with turmoil, how did Silsby find those particular children?

Were they at one of Phil Murphy's House of Blessings homes or how about Isaac Adrien's Children of Promise?
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Old 02-20-2010, 11:31 PM
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On Phil Murphy's own website for House of Blessings, he links himself to Isaac Adrien:

http://haitihouseofblessings.org/

"Phil Murphy, co-founder of House of Blessings and the Children of Promise Sponsorship Program in Callebasse, Haiti, reports on his recent visit to the community of Callebasse and with the sponsored children there."

I'm not seeing how Mr. Murphy can distance himself from Mr. Adrien. I guess it's possible that Mr. Adrien worked with Silsby and Mr. Murphy didn't know it but they do seem to have a close alliance. It is very clear that Mr. Murphy is listed as co-founder of the Children of Promise Sponsorship program which Mr. Adrien is in charge of.

Come on......
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Old 02-20-2010, 11:36 PM
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http://www.allthingsandersoncooper.c...1_archive.html

"Anderson spoke by phone with David Louis in Port-au-Prince. David works at an orphanage run by his father and was hired by Ms. Silsby as an interpreter. Richard Pickett in Nashville talked about his experiences with Silsby. Pickett was in Port-au-Prince to bring home 3 Haitian children he and his wife adopted (with the proper paperwork), when his wife was contacted three times by Silsby saying she was in Haiti and could get their kids out.

Pickett's wife told Silsby no - Richard was already on the ground and they didn't need her help, but Silsby went to the orphanage anyway. Pickett thinks Silsby was trying to use the kids for fundraising purposes."



So, possibly Silsby learned of the Pickett children through David Louis, who works at his father's orphanage in Port au Prince?
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Old 02-20-2010, 11:37 PM
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Murphy had nothing to do with anything, imo.
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Old 02-20-2010, 11:41 PM
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Tuesday, Jan. 26: Quest for orphans
Orphanage worker Isaac Adrien meets Silsby in Port-au-Prince. He says Silsby tells him she is looking for homeless children.
That proves what I said earlier: why would Silsby be at the DR side of the northern border crossing on Jan 27, as Sainvil claims? On Jan 27 she was already in PaP.
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Old 02-20-2010, 11:42 PM
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Murphy had nothing to do with anything, imo.
I agree.
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Old 02-20-2010, 11:43 PM
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"The Picketts said they were immediately suspicious of Silsby. The Kentucky couple didn't need her help — the government had already given them permission to go pick up the children. But Silsby persisted, they said.

She showed up at the Compassion for All orphanage in Haiti, asking to collect the Picketts' three adopted children and claiming to be Malinda Pickett's friend, according to Richard Pickett.

That orphanage and others turned her down."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religio...sby11_ST_N.htm
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Old 02-20-2010, 11:48 PM
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I vaguely remember a report that said that one night Silsby cried because nobody wanted to give her any orphans. Did any of you see that too?
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Old 02-20-2010, 11:50 PM
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A transcript of AC's interview with Pickett about the three kids and Silsby's attept to take the children from Compassion for All Orphanage run by Arthur Louis and his son, David:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...04/acd.01.html

".....But the person that gave Laura our [ETA the Picketts] contact information told her explicitly that you cannot just take any child across the border. You have to have the correct permissions to do that from the government. And Laura wanted to make the calls anyway to see if there are ways that she could get children....."

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"She came up with this idea a couple of years ago. And she actually hired her 24-year-old nanny to actually set up this orphanage. They started a foundation. And it was really in its infancy. They thought that -- you know, they put together this manifesto. They thought they would eventually get down to the Dominican Republic sometime down the road.

Then the earthquake happens and all of a sudden they wanted to get down there right away. So, she came here to the church. She met with the pastor. And they solicited donations. And word came out to the church members, does anybody want to go to Haiti and go set up this orphanage in the Dominican Republic?

And you had a few people raise their hands and say, I want to go. So, some of the people who actually went down with her only, you know, raised their hand 48 hours before they actually got on an airplane..."
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Old 02-21-2010, 12:08 AM
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Yes, Laura cried, boo hoo.
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Old 02-21-2010, 12:09 AM
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/religio...Top+Stories%29

"She asked for kids at each of the orphanages, and at the end of the day when no one would give her any, she cried," Richard Pickett said. "Why would you cry after you see these kids are being taken care of?"

A few days later, Silsby and nine other Americans were charged in Haiti with kidnapping for trying to take 33 children out of the country without proper documentation."

I'm starting to think that Laura is not only well-intentioned yet driven. I'm starting to think that she's a very sick woman. I'm becoming increasingly worried about her state of mind.
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Old 02-21-2010, 12:38 AM
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I just read the entire Puello interview. He's blaming all his past legal problems on misunderstandings. But the interviewer forgot quite a few.
E.g. he says he never represented himself as a lawyer,only a "consultant"
I see I can now upload attachments. Let's try one.
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Old 02-21-2010, 12:46 AM
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I wanted to go back and look at that video I posted a week or so ago:

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/vide...nnel=NOTW:News

I wanted to see if we might know that name. It took some looking but I found it. It's at this link:

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news...-in-Haiti.html

The charity boss's name is Yis Jean Guerson. He is responsible for providing medical aid to victims of the January 12 disaster with respected local aid group AST (Association de la Santé Pour Tous - "health for all").

But, unknown to dedicated colleagues, Guerson secretly heads a child trafficking ring and exploits his position of trust scouring camps for a stock of orphaned, lost and homeless youngsters.

Shockingly Guerson, 31, is also a TEACHER at a local school responsible for guiding and protecting children from the age of three."

I wonder if Silsby crossed his path? Oh what horrors would have ensued if they did team up. I wonder if Guerson has any alliance with Isaac Adrien, Phil Murphy, or Jean Sainvil. Watching this video makes me physically sick. The children seem to trust the man and they have no sense as to how his actions are going to impact their lives. They actually look very well cared for. Does he keep them in this condition to sell them?

Lies, lies, lies. We need to start looking for the motive behind the lies. Is it high priced international adoption, child sponsorship (a cash cow IMO), slavery, child sex trafficking....or all of it.

I think we're beating a dead horse. Everything Silsby said has been proven to be a lie or a distortion of the truth or "misunderstood". Almost everyone who worked with her has been less than forthcoming and has sown the seeds of distrust. What is the great secret we are missing?
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Old 02-21-2010, 12:53 AM
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Sorry, I draw the line, I don't do News of the World except in rare cases. And, I don't buy into all your conspiracy stuff. So, I am off to watch the Olympics.
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Old 02-21-2010, 01:49 AM
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How could Phill Murphy not be somewhat connected with Silsby if he, himself, links his work to Isaac Adrien? It's sounds from these websites that they men work in tandem. And Adrien was the scout who arranged for the soccer field meeting? I don't get it!!

http://haitihouseofblessings.org/

http://www.echildrenofpromise.org/Ne...In-Rubble.aspx

http://www.echildrenofpromise.org/

Run a search on each of these pages for both men's names. They are connected. I feel that Adrien, at least, is complicit in arranging illegal and unethical custodial changes for children.

I don't necessarily think there's a conspiracy at all. I do think, though, that we're getting closer and closer to learning that Silsby MUST have had some contact with Puello prior to her arrest. I'm not going to "make you believe it", i.b.nora LOL. I'll let you come to your own conclusion.

Another snip from a comment on the DR Forum:

http://www.dr1.com/forums/haiti-eart...ragedy-32.html

"We thought it strange, did we not, that after the US Consul in Haiti presented suggestions to the detained Baptists as to whom they might employ as lawyers, they rejected these in favour of Torres Puello, whom Silsby subsequently said she had not had any contact with until after her arrest. Common sense says that when a national of your own country whose job it is to offer assistance within certain guidelines (viz. the US Consul) makes suggestions, and you are feeling frightened & vulnerable because you have been jailed in a foreign land, wouldn't you grasp at those suggestions rather than choose a 'lawyer' from a third country whom you had never heard of? Unless, of course there were compelling reasons (like you already knew the 'lawyer' from the third country). This could also explain why a man wanted in a number of locations by different authorities viz Puello, would put his fugitive status at risk of being discovered. H'mm. Maybe not looking quite such a 'rush in & help' scenario? At least, for some of the participants."


I honestly don't know where this is going but I'm not going to surprised in the least at where we end up.
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Old 02-21-2010, 05:01 AM
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Unrelated. The pastors don't look alike.
The Mitspa Haitian Baptist Church is duly registered with the GA Sec of State.

No trace there however of Sainvil, Gospel Assembly, or Eglise Assemblee (the sign in the window).
I am curious where you found that the Mitspa Haitian Baptist Church is duly registered with the Ga Sec of State. The only listing I could find for them with the Ga Sec of State states that they were registered on 12/28/2000 but on 7/09/2005 under went an Automated Adminstrative dissolution/revocation. I could not find a current registration for them.
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After reading the excerpt below it seems to me that the lawyer Fleurant does not want the Judge to visit the so called orphanage and I don't think time has anything to do with it since I read that the Judge flew to the DR on Saturday. Also since when did Silsby's orphanage become associated with Hildago's church? What is his church's name and affiliation?

Such a trip could take days to plan and longer to be carried out, Fleurant said, adding that "We have proof - here! - documents from the Dominican government authorizing the acceptance of the children into this orphanage. And the pastor - Pastor Jose Orlando Hidalgo - of the church that administrates the orphanage has offered to come here and meet with the judge and tell him!"

Fleurant dismissed questions about the nature of his primary client Silsby's relationship with Jorge Puello, a Domincan resident and child sex-trafficking suspect, who portrayed himself to be an attorney representing Silsby's group.

"There is no connection," Fleurant bristled. "The truth is Laura Silsby did not even meet Jorge Puello until after she was arrested."

But rather than deny reports that Hidalgo's Domincan orphanage might just be an empty building housing no children and is located in a neighborhood well-known for child sex-trafficking, Fleurant simply suggested such a neighborhood should have an orphanage.

"If you can put an orphanage in such an area, that is not a bad thing. There is where they need it most, no," he asked, refusing to dispute the orphanage's location.

The last two paragraphs really bother me especially the part about it being located in an area that is well known for child sex-trafficking. I would think if Silsby/Hildago's intentions were above board that their goal would be to totally remove children from that area and environment because just being there would pose an additional unnecessary risk to the children being housed in the temporary "orphanage" which is really just a converted hotel. Just how secure could a place like that be to begin with? IMO
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Old 02-21-2010, 11:27 AM
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Experts: Laura Silsby and nine other Americans may have caused more fallout than they realize

http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsup...y/1089150.html


'Like a stone dropped into a still pool, the actions of a group of American volunteers continue to ripple across Haiti and the United States.

Group members - eight of them home and two still in jail - insist they went to Haiti with a noble goal: to rescue desperate orphans threatened by the aftermath of the Jan. 12 earthquake.

But despite these intentions, experts say, their decisions and subsequent arrests created waves that have affected thousands.

Some sick and injured Haitian children are going without medical care they need because the controversy made it hard for doctors to get them to the proper treatment facilities.

Others will not see permanent homes anytime soon because wary officials have slowed adoptions. Media attention - and the financial support it can drive - has been diverted from continued humanitarian efforts and needs in the quake-afflicted country.

The fallout offers a cautionary tale and a lesson for people who simply want to help."


More at link.
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I have no luck with translating so I'm just going to post a snip of a post on the DR forum. Hopefully, someone will help us out. This is from the poster, Lambada, and posted early this morning:

http://www.dr1.com/forums/haiti-eart...ragedy-32.html

"If reports in Clave Digital & El Nuevo Diario are true, this might be the connection the Haitian judge was looking for between Torres Puello & Silsby before the arrest of the Americans: 'Torres Puello además realizaba trabajos de “realtor” en Sosua, Puerto Plata donde conoció a Laura Silbsy'
Autoridades de El Salvador y de RD cruzan información sobre Torres Orellana

'Torres Puello además realizaba trabajos de “realtor” en Sosua, Puerto Plata donde conoció a Laura Silbsy, una de las misioneras del grupo bautista'.
Autoridades policiales de El Salvador envían a RD huellas dactilares prófugo Interpol"


http://www.clavedigital.com/App_Page...Articulo=27718

http://elnuevodiario.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=187452 (this site has a photo of Jorge's home in El Salvador)
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Old 02-21-2010, 12:52 PM
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I am curious where you found that the Mitspa Haitian Baptist Church is duly registered with the Ga Sec of State. The only listing I could find for them with the Ga Sec of State states that they were registered on 12/28/2000 but on 7/09/2005 under went an Automated Adminstrative dissolution/revocation. I could not find a current registration for them.
Melly - The main point of my post was to show that Seneque Saintil of Mitspa and Sainvil are not the same. Sleuthing is good, but I like to avoid hypothetical associations based merely on similarly sounding names.

My other point was that Sainvil seems to be operating a church (non-profit) under the radar.
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