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Old 03-04-2010, 12:42 AM
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WA - Mackenzie Cowell, 17, Orondo/Wenatchee, 9 Feb 2010 - #4

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Old 03-04-2010, 12:56 AM
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Angry Article in the WW Today

Tax Payers and citizens wonder where our $ is going....FBI, Wash. State Patrol, Wenatchee PD, others are not charging to be on this case....yet they have damn near 800 hours of JUST OT time. Are the LE folks off even 2 hours a day to sleep?? I mean obviously they are taking NO days off....which I am thankful they are working so hard, don't get me wrong. BUT who is managing this case at this point? Are LE officers waiting outside WC & RC's homes? I mean WOW!

I think it was POOR-POOR taste to put this article in the WW. There are other things you could have said....put a damn thank you to LE working on this or something.



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Old 03-04-2010, 12:59 AM
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Tax Payers and citizens wonder where our $ is going....FBI, Wash. State Patrol, Wenatchee PD, others are not charging to be on this case....yet they have damn near 800 hours of JUST OT time. Are the LE folks off even 2 hours a day to sleep?? I mean obviously they are taking NO days off....which I am thankful they are working so hard, don't get me wrong. BUT who is managing this case at this point? Are LE officers waiting outside WC & RC's homes? I mean WOW!

I think it was POOR-POOR taste to put this article in the WW. There are other things you could have said....put a damn thank you to LE working on this or something.



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I agree!

Also it's ridiculous that our council voted to fund those silly hydro races or whatever with "excess" tax revenues. Good lord... we have a police department working their collective buns off and they want to throw the money at toy boats?
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Old 03-04-2010, 01:02 AM
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Looks like ICE does more than border patrol...
http://www.ice.gov/about/index.htm
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Old 03-04-2010, 01:05 AM
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I am new to this site. I found it referrenced to on WW. I have read every single post, and it took me forever. I have commented a couple times. I live in Wenatchee.

That said, when I first heard this case, I thought it was a random abduction, but in hearing the theories and what little evidence we know, I too agree it is someone that is close to her. I don't know the family, and I didn't know Mackenzie.

I think that possibly someone took her to Crescent Bar, and drove her car up to Pitcher Canyon as a diversion. I hate to say this, but I wonder if she was alive in the CB house during this time. Or, knocked out possibly. I just don't see how its possible in the time frame provided, that she was killed before the car was dumped. I don't think she drove the car up there, because of the lack of comments from LE about whose foot prints they were. I also suspect there was more than one person involved in this. I think someone met whoever up at Pitcher Canyon, and got in the car, and thats why the prints end abruptly.
I am still not ruling out the gang theory. However, I find it very interesting that the crime scenes have involved 2 different vacant homes that would possibly tie this to someone who knew something about Real Estate or construction.
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Old 03-04-2010, 01:22 AM
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I moved these posts over from the last thread to reply to here.

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I don't think we ever really know for sure, and they probably like it that way. If you have a question for a mod, just click on the main Missing/Located Forum Discussion and down at the bottom right hand corner, you'll see the moderators for this forum listed. I think hoppyfrog has been the main person moderating Mackenzie's thread. Just click on hoppy's name and you should be able to either send a PM (If you have private message privileges) or a visitor message from there.


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Does anyone know the BF's wife (most recent ex-wife's) initials?
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Hello, I have been reading these threads on and off for a week or so now, and haven't commented because I didn't feel there was anything I could contribute, until now. And this has to do with the person who posted the close-ups of the CB property crime scene. Before I post, am I allowed to name local company's?
I'm not a mod but I don't see why not. I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be a violation of the TOS.
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Old 03-04-2010, 01:26 AM
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how do you post pictures on here? I have some pictures I wanted to share...
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Del rio- when you sign back on, I would like to know why you think the picture of the swampy area with the one red flag is the most interesting? Am I missing something in the photo? If you don't mind me asking...
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Old 03-04-2010, 01:29 AM
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Veeeedddddddyyyyyy interestink!
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Old 03-04-2010, 01:30 AM
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When you reply look above the text box. See the yellow square that looks like it has a gray mountain in it? That is an insert image button.
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Old 03-04-2010, 01:33 AM
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It looks like you need a URL in order to do this though...do you need to post them on a website first?
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Old 03-04-2010, 01:38 AM
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Not mentioning names, of course, but there's a local photographer who advertises himself as a photography/production company, and quite frequently has "free model shoots" . I know he's currently advertising one on his myspace right now. The problems is, almost every single model in his "photo album" is an underage, high school girl, usually dressed provocatively. He requested my daughter as a friend, and seems to have a lot of other young girls as friends as well (in fact, there's a picture on the front page of his profile that says (Mackenzie Model of the Month, though the picture doesn't really look like her). After looking more into this, I found that he was actually at the memorial, as you can see pictures he took there on his facebook page. I was at the memorial as well, and specifically remember the minister stating she wanted to be a model, dancer, and beautician. Though I feel bad for dragging someone else into this, especially if it's nothing, I thought it was at least worth thinking about.
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Old 03-04-2010, 01:44 AM
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Del rio- when you sign back on, I would like to know why you think the picture of the swampy area with the one red flag is the most interesting? Am I missing something in the photo? If you don't mind me asking...


Here’s the rough draft of my theories:

At 3:00 p.m., MC leaves the Hair Academy, turns onto Kittitas, then turns right onto northbound Mission Street, and drives to WC’s office (about 1 minute). MC’s purpose is to tell WC about her new “medical condition.”

MC meets WC at WC’s office on Mission Street, and they walk or drive together to the boat launch to talk. Either which way, MC’s car is left at WC’s office.

Sometime before 5:00 p.m., MC and WC travel to WC’s house in Eagle Rock.

Sometime between 5:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m., WC freaks out on MC and, in a fit of “passion,” slays MC (probably with a kitchen knife?). (FYI: The reason I believe WC is the murderer, as opposed to JF, is simply because no mother would continue to have a relationship with—let alone purchase a new car for—any person who may have possibly murdered her child; I refuse to believe that’s physiologically possible.)

After the deed is done, WC contacts JF and extorts him into helping her dispose of MC’s body. If JF is the cause of MC’s “medical condition,” then WC’s extortion would be fairly easy and obvious.

WC must move MC’s car because it would be way too obvious who the perp is if it remains where it was at that time. Therefore, WC drives MC’s car up to Pitcher Canyon and JF follows. At about 7:00 p.m., they drop off MC’s car at the end of Pitcher Canyon Road, and JF drives WC back to her house/office.

WC and/or JF and/or his brother(s) then transport MC’s body to the Sunnyslope spec house for temporary storage. Said house is, after all, close by WC’s home (less than a 6 minute drive). Although I believe it’s possible (though not probable) that they tried to dismember her body parts, I don’t believe they would have done so at the Sunnyslope house. And I certainly don’t believe they attempted to mutilate MC’s body for sheer entertainment. In any event, something horrible is done to MC’s body.

Sometime between 11:00 p.m. on February 9 and 6:00 a.m. on February 13, WC and/or JF and/or his brother(s) transport MC’s body to CB. They decide on that particular location because they are familiar with it, and they know it buttresses the county line.

They place MC’s body near the stream, with her feet in it. They were intending to place MC’s body just inside Grant County in order to create a jurisdictional headache and friction between 4 LE agencies. But they failed to do so (for whatever reason, e.g., simple miscalculation, too dark, too wet, or maybe they were unable to cross the stream and they did not want to carry her body back up the hill; they therefore placed her body as close to the Grant County as possible). I believe her body was placed in the brush and trees along the stream, approximately 15-feet from the river.

That's all I got so far. So, go ahead and rip up my theories.

DISCLAIMER: Everything except for the first three words is pure speculation. I certainly could not prove any of this beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Old 03-04-2010, 01:45 AM
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Not mentioning names, of course, but there's a local photographer who advertises himself as a photography/production company, and quite frequently has "free model shoots" . I know he's currently advertising one on his myspace right now. The problems is, almost every single model in his "photo album" is an underage, high school girl, usually dressed provocatively. He requested my daughter as a friend, and seems to have a lot of other young girls as friends as well (in fact, there's a picture on the front page of his profile that says (Mackenzie Model of the Month, though the picture doesn't really look like her). After looking more into this, I found that he was actually at the memorial, as you can see pictures he took there on his facebook page. I was at the memorial as well, and specifically remember the minister stating she wanted to be a model, dancer, and beautician. Though I feel bad for dragging someone else into this, especially if it's nothing, I thought it was at least worth thinking about.
From that very interesting myspace: "working with hannah on fundraiser for mackenzie, a dance at volcanoclub, date to be set soon, live DJ & dancing, any1 interested will b put on contactlist Mood: sleepy
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Old 03-04-2010, 01:49 AM
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Why the photo of the "campground beach" at CB?

Pretty photo, though.
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Veeeedddddddyyyyyy interestink!
I don't get it...It says they are the largest investigation force specializing in Customs and Immigration.
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Why the photo of the "campground beach" at CB?

Pretty photo, though.
We were just taking pictures of the snow on the cliffs. I have tried posting others but for some reason they aren't working.
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Del rio- when you sign back on, I would like to know why you think the picture of the swampy area with the one red flag is the most interesting? Am I missing something in the photo? If you don't mind me asking...


It's so very different than what it was in the fall. Sorry, I'm purposefully being vague on this one.
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Not mentioning names, of course, but there's a local photographer who advertises himself as a photography/production company, and quite frequently has "free model shoots" . I know he's currently advertising one on his myspace right now. The problems is, almost every single model in his "photo album" is an underage, high school girl, usually dressed provocatively. He requested my daughter as a friend, and seems to have a lot of other young girls as friends as well (in fact, there's a picture on the front page of his profile that says (Mackenzie Model of the Month, though the picture doesn't really look like her). After looking more into this, I found that he was actually at the memorial, as you can see pictures he took there on his facebook page. I was at the memorial as well, and specifically remember the minister stating she wanted to be a model, dancer, and beautician. Though I feel bad for dragging someone else into this, especially if it's nothing, I thought it was at least worth thinking about.
Some of us have explored this independent of this thread.

We didn't dig up much except the obvious. Interestingly, this person removed himself from Mac's FB friends list after her body was discovered (maybe the second week into the investigation?). Previous to removing himself he had been very active in the fund raising effort.

This guy has also been posted about on Wenatchee Craigslist Rants and Raves in the past, and the posts were not at all flattering. He was described as creepy and a little too interested in young girls. I know nothing about him myself. Unfortunately the posts have since been flagged or expired. Not sure if CL caches posts.
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We were just taking pictures of the snow on the cliffs. I have tried posting others but for some reason they aren't working.


I had the same problem last night. It could be the photos require too much memory. Try to crop your photos and then attach them.
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From that very interesting myspace: "working with hannah on fundraiser for mackenzie, a dance at volcanoclub, date to be set soon, live DJ & dancing, any1 interested will b put on contactlist Mood: sleepy
Posted 6 minutes ago
Looking at the Myspace page and finding the FB page for this guy, nothing seems odd. Seems legit, even has a few friends in common with him.
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Here’s the rough draft of my theories:

At 3:00 p.m., MC leaves the Hair Academy, turns onto Kittitas, then turns right onto northbound Mission Street, and drives to WC’s office (about 1 minute). MC’s purpose is to tell WC about her new “medical condition.”

MC meets WC at WC’s office on Mission Street, and they walk or drive together to the boat launch to talk. Either which way, MC’s car is left at WC’s office.

Sometime before 5:00 p.m., MC and WC travel to WC’s house in Eagle Rock.

Sometime between 5:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m., WC freaks out on MC and, in a fit of “passion,” slays MC (probably with a kitchen knife?). (FYI: The reason I believe WC is the murderer, as opposed to JF, is simply because no mother would continue to have a relationship with—let alone purchase a new car for—any person who may have possibly murdered her child; I refuse to believe that’s physiologically possible.)

After the deed is done, WC contacts JF and extorts him into helping her dispose of MC’s body. If JF is the cause of MC’s “medical condition,” then WC’s extortion would be fairly easy and obvious.

WC must move MC’s car because it would be way too obvious who the perp is if it remains where it was at that time. Therefore, WC drives MC’s car up to Pitcher Canyon and JF follows. At about 7:00 p.m., they drop off MC’s car at the end of Pitcher Canyon Road, and JF drives WC back to her house/office.

WC and/or JF and/or his brother(s) then transport MC’s body to the Sunnyslope spec house for temporary storage. Said house is, after all, close by WC’s home (less than a 6 minute drive). Although I believe it’s possible (though not probable) that they tried to dismember her body parts, I don’t believe they would have done so at the Sunnyslope house. And I certainly don’t believe they attempted to mutilate MC’s body for sheer entertainment. In any event, something horrible is done to MC’s body.

Sometime between 11:00 p.m. on February 9 and 6:00 a.m. on February 13, WC and/or JF and/or his brother(s) transport MC’s body to CB. They decide on that particular location because they are familiar with it, and they know it buttresses the county line.

They place MC’s body near the stream, with her feet in it. They were intending to place MC’s body just inside Grant County in order to create a jurisdictional headache and friction between 4 LE agencies. But they failed to do so (for whatever reason, e.g., simple miscalculation, too dark, too wet, or maybe they were unable to cross the stream and they did not want to carry her body back up the hill; they therefore placed her body as close to the Grant County as possible). I believe her body was placed in the brush and trees along the stream, approximately 15-feet from the river.

That's all I got so far. So, go ahead and rip up my theories.

DISCLAIMER: Everything except for the first three words is pure speculation. I certainly could not prove any of this beyond a reasonable doubt.
WOW! If MC had driven to her Mom's office, wouldn't there be somebody else there that would have surely seen her or her car? There was still a couple of hours of daylight left. That's a pretty visible part of town, too!
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The only way I can help is by directing you to the forum that's at
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I just bumped up a couple of pertinent threads on posting pics for you.


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