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Old 03-11-2010, 04:54 PM
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OOOH Just found this!! The grand jury indictment has just been posted. I'm going to go watch the 5pm news now! Where are all of you?? LOL
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OOOH Just found this!! The grand jury indictment has just been posted. I'm going to go watch the 5pm news now! Where are all of you?? LOL


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Moore indicted in Shakespeare's slaying

By TOM BRENNAN | The Tampa Tribune
Published: March 11, 2010
Updated: 50 min. ago

"TAMPA - A grand jury indicted Dorice Donegan "Dee Dee" today for first-degree murder in the death and disappearance of Florida Lottery winner Abraham Shakespeare.

Grand jurors returned a one-count indictment against Moore for premeditated murder.

It accuses Moore of shooting Shakespeare between April 1 and April 13 of last year."

(SNIP)
More at tigergal71's link above

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I think LE pretty much knows Abraham was alive on the 3rd *IF* everybody who claims they talked to him then is being truthful. But since the charge is "premeditated murder" then my best guess is that LE has determined that it was on April 1, 2009 when Dee Dee set out on her premediated mission to kill Abraham. JMO

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03/11/2010 assistant state attorney mayelin campos for jay pruner
03/11/2010 attention jail do not release deft on murder in the first degree
03/11/2010 motn for adversary prelim hear motion granted as to accessory after the fact
03/11/2010 court reporter l. Hughey
03/11/2010 ror accessory after the fact (no witnesses)
03/11/2010 see free form text this case was handled on the pp court docket today
03/11/2010 with counsel asst pub defender ty trayner appeared earlier
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Moore indicted in Shakespeare's slaying

By TOM BRENNAN | The Tampa Tribune
Published: March 11, 2010
Updated: 50 min. ago

"TAMPA - A grand jury indicted Dorice Donegan "Dee Dee" today for first-degree murder in the death and disappearance of Florida Lottery winner Abraham Shakespeare.

Grand jurors returned a one-count indictment against Moore for premeditated murder.

It accuses Moore of shooting Shakespeare between April 1 and April 13 of last year."

(SNIP)
More at tigergal71's link above

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I think LE pretty much knows Abraham was alive on the 3rd *IF* everybody who claims they talked to him then is being truthful. But since the charge is "premeditated murder" then my best guess is that LE has determined that it was on April 1, 2009 when Dee Dee set out on her premediated mission to kill Abraham. JMO

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Maybe that's when she made the video and/or bought the gun.
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03/11/2010 assistant state attorney mayelin campos for jay pruner
03/11/2010 attention jail do not release deft on murder in the first degree
03/11/2010 motn for adversary prelim hear motion granted as to accessory after the fact
03/11/2010 court reporter l. Hughey
03/11/2010 ror accessory after the fact (no witnesses)
03/11/2010 see free form text this case was handled on the pp court docket today
03/11/2010 with counsel asst pub defender ty trayner appeared earlier
Above BBM
*Snipped from wikipedia link*
Release on recognizance is sometimes called RoR, or, particularly in the United States
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Release on recognizance is sometimes called RoR, or, particularly in the United States
Thank goodness there's a "do not release" on the murder charge

ETA: on a very anti-climatic note, there was an article posted yesterday on "The curse of the lottery" that mentions Abraham.

Link.

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From the CRA:

"On March 2, 2009, Dee Dee Moore purchased a 2009 Hummer for approximately $90,000. On December 5, 2009, Dee Dee Moore took this vehicle to Stingray Chevrolet and told them she needed cash quickly and attempted to sell it to them for $49,000.00. They told her they were not interested due to the economy. William Smith, a friend of the owner of Stingray Chevrolet was present and offered to buy the Hummer himself. Dee Dee Moore agreed to sell it to him and requested that Mr. Smith call his bank so that she could cash the checks immediately. She also requested 3 separate checks from Mr. Smith, one for $5,000.00 in the name of Dee Dee Moore, one for $4,000.00 in the name of Linda Donegan (Dee Dee Moore's mother) and one for $40,000.00 in the name of Dee Dee Moore."

That money is long gone.
Crud, yeah that was me getting the facts backwards.
My theory was wayyyy more interesting before
Guess I gave DDM too much credit
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There were questions about how many children Tori Butler has....

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March 11, 2010
Your search returned 9 documents and 22 parties.


The number of Pages are estimated for documents where the Pages value is marked with *.
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FLORIDA STATE BUTLER SENTORRIA SHERICE;
BUTLER SENTORRIA 10/24/2008 JUDGMENT HILLSBOROUGH 2008373537 18928/1129 2
Description: Case# 08-CF-009075
BUTLER SENTORRIA S NEIL ANTONIO D 08/16/2006 JUDGMENT POLK 2006202775 6924/820 1
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ST FL REV SHAKESPEARE ABRAHAM L 02/10/2010 COURT PAPER POLK 2010022594 8073/2218 1
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V N PROPERTIES BUTLER SENTORRIA 04/30/2007 JUDGMENT POLK 2007090467 7265/1367 1
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ST FL REV NEIL ANTONIO D 05/10/2006 JUDGMENT POLK 2006118116 6771/815 3
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I see Lashekshakespeareneph is on..

Are you a relative of Abraham?
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Moore indicted in Shakespeare's slaying

By TOM BRENNAN | The Tampa Tribune
Published: March 11, 2010
Updated: 50 min. ago

"TAMPA - A grand jury indicted Dorice Donegan "Dee Dee" today for first-degree murder in the death and disappearance of Florida Lottery winner Abraham Shakespeare.

Grand jurors returned a one-count indictment against Moore for premeditated murder.

It accuses Moore of shooting Shakespeare between April 1 and April 13 of last year."

(SNIP)
More at tigergal71's link above

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I think LE pretty much knows Abraham was alive on the 3rd *IF* everybody who claims they talked to him then is being truthful. But since the charge is "premeditated murder" then my best guess is that LE has determined that it was on April 1, 2009 when Dee Dee set out on her premediated mission to kill Abraham. JMO

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Since this is obviously posted to me, imo the statement clearly mean Abraham was shot sometime between April 1- April 13. As NG always says premeditation can happen in a second, so they don't have to give extended dates for the purpose of premeditation. The only things a murdered after April 3 time line is based on is:
1)a newspaper quote
which we have seen be wrong
2)what people at a doc being notarized have to say
that of the docs we have seen that day the verified ID section is not filled in
Though I don't really know why only my theory is being sought after to proove wrong.
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"During a brief Thursday court hearing, Moore was informed she also has a new charge of illegal wiretapping.

A Plant City Police Department report describes Moore's secretly recording an interview between Polk County investigators and two confidential informants.

The report doesn't indicate what was spoken about between the investigators and the informants during the meeting at a park on Dec. 11.

Moore accompanied the informants to the meeting "as she was their friend and they stated they felt comfortable with her there," the report states.

Moore put her purse on the picnic table "and opened it several times, but no one thought she would record the interview for any reason so the purse was not searched," the report said."

more at link: http://www.theledger.com/article/201...Winner-s-Death
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Thanks ChanzesMimi for the link!

This line of the article made me fee that DDM kind of was stalking AS (IMO):

An arrest affidavit says Moore arranged to meet Shakespeare in October 2008 "ostensibly to write a book about his life story" and soon became his primary financial advisor.

In my opinion it seems that there should be a law against her posing as AS using telephone communication too. Afterall, her purpose in utilizing the phones was to commit fraud... JMO.

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Since this is obviously posted to me, imo the statement clearly mean Abraham was shot sometime between April 1- April 13. As NG always says premeditation can happen in a second, so they don't have to give extended dates for the purpose of premeditation. The only things a murdered after April 3 time line is based on is:
1)a newspaper quote
which we have seen be wrong
2)what people at a doc being notarized have to say
that of the docs we have seen that day the verified ID section is not filled in
Though I don't really know why only my theory is being sought after to proove wrong.
I don't think it was "directed" at you. If you check back, I have been asking the question since the 1st page of the criminal affidavit for murder says the offense was committed on April 1st and if they know he was alive on April 3rd due to signing power of attorney, phone calls, witnesses, then why don't they put down a date after they know he was still alive, such as 4/3 or as Sheriff Gee says, 4/6 - 4/7/09. It was really baffling to me why they would do that. But the explanation that ACR was offering seems like a very plausable answer to my question. It isn't just murder, it is premeditated murder, and it could be they used the date 4/1/09 because that is the first date that they can actually prove she set out to murder Abraham. Premeditated can be in a second, but in this case, they may actually be able to prove the premeditation starting on that date, such as that was the date she recorded the video of him watching the tapes in March, or that was the date she bought the gun, or that was the date she purchased the backhoe (although I believe she purchased it on 4/3).
It has been a question that really bothered me because I knew they believed she killed him between 4/6-4/7/09, yet they had put 4/1/09 knowing he was still alive that date.
I also don't think anyone is trying to prove anyone elses theories wrong per say. I think that people have different theories and they are expressing their own views. Many of my "theories" have crashed and burned because someone else has pointed out a better theory or showed me a public record that proves I was mistaken but I would have been sitting here misinformed had I not expressed my theory and then had someone else show me something I had missed or told me another way to look at it. I thought both the property and the money had gone through the LLC because of the criminal affidavit, but ACR corrected me and pointed to the actual deeds and assignments showing that was not necessarily true, the criminal affidavit could be wrong. Got me back on the same page with the rest of you who already knew that and helped me to understand why DebM has no control over the property Dorice took from Abraham, she put it in the other company.
So, I have found that if I am wrong, someone else here will tell me and show me why then I have learned something. Alternatively, if I have a theory about something but it is inference from the facts available, someone else here can come to a totally different theory about it. Doesn't make me right or them right, just 2 different ways at looking at the same information. I may not agree with what they say, but at least I have seen another possibility. I've learned a lot from the different opinions here and the facts the posters have found and posted.
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"During a brief Thursday court hearing, Moore was informed she also has a new charge of illegal wiretapping.

A Plant City Police Department report describes Moore's secretly recording an interview between Polk County investigators and two confidential informants.

The report doesn't indicate what was spoken about between the investigators and the informants during the meeting at a park on Dec. 11.

Moore accompanied the informants to the meeting "as she was their friend and they stated they felt comfortable with her there," the report states.

Moore put her purse on the picnic table "and opened it several times, but no one thought she would record the interview for any reason so the purse was not searched," the report said."

more at link: http://www.theledger.com/article/201...Winner-s-Death
Unfortunately, I don't see how the new charge will stick. The meeting was in a public park, where there is no expectation of privacy.

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Fl is one of only 11 states that are "two party states". The law requires both parties must know about the recording of conversations. I am guessing the law in FL, must apply to all conversations not just phone calls.
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Fl is one of only 11 states that are "two party states". The law requires both parties must know about the recording of conversations. I am guessing the law in FL, must apply to all conversations not just phone calls.
According to cholzsch's link, a conversation in a public place where you do not have an expectation of privacy, such as a park, is an exception to the two-party rule and you can tape without consent in that case. That is how I am reading it.
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I don't think it was "directed" at you. If you check back, I have been asking the question since the 1st page of the criminal affidavit for murder says the offense was committed on April 1st and if they know he was alive on April 3rd due to signing power of attorney, phone calls, witnesses, then why don't they put down a date after they know he was still alive, such as 4/3 or as Sheriff Gee says, 4/6 - 4/7/09. It was really baffling to me why they would do that. But the explanation that ACR was offering seems like a very plausable answer to my question. It isn't just murder, it is premeditated murder, and it could be they used the date 4/1/09 because that is the first date that they can actually prove she set out to murder Abraham. Premeditated can be in a second, but in this case, they may actually be able to prove the premeditation starting on that date, such as that was the date she recorded the video of him watching the tapes in March, or that was the date she bought the gun, or that was the date she purchased the backhoe (although I believe she purchased it on 4/3).
It has been a question that really bothered me because I knew they believed she killed him between 4/6-4/7/09, yet they had put 4/1/09 knowing he was still alive that date.
I also don't think anyone is trying to prove anyone elses theories wrong per say. I think that people have different theories and they are expressing their own views. Many of my "theories" have crashed and burned because someone else has pointed out a better theory or showed me a public record that proves I was mistaken but I would have been sitting here misinformed had I not expressed my theory and then had someone else show me something I had missed or told me another way to look at it. I thought both the property and the money had gone through the LLC because of the criminal affidavit, but ACR corrected me and pointed to the actual deeds and assignments showing that was not necessarily true, the criminal affidavit could be wrong. Got me back on the same page with the rest of you who already knew that and helped me to understand why DebM has no control over the property Dorice took from Abraham, she put it in the other company.
So, I have found that if I am wrong, someone else here will tell me and show me why then I have learned something. Alternatively, if I have a theory about something but it is inference from the facts available, someone else here can come to a totally different theory about it. Doesn't make me right or them right, just 2 different ways at looking at the same information. I may not agree with what they say, but at least I have seen another possibility. I've learned a lot from the different opinions here and the facts the posters have found and posted.
1)it says what they ment, it says "Shooting"
2)why do u say they know he was alive

and thanks for sharing your opinion but i have my own. i just dont get why you guys are trying to interpret something that imo clearly states something. if it was the time of premeditation it would say that. it does not, it says believes he was SHOT April1-13. i just dont see any alternative meaning to that.
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Sheriff Gee placed his death as sometime between 4/6 and 4/7/09. At .54 on the first video, Sheriff Gee states he is reading from the affidavit that:
"Between April 6, 2009 and April 7, 2009, at an unknown hour, Abraham Lee Shakespeare was murdered within the residence located at 5732 Highway 60 east in Plant City, Florida".
So, that was my question. If they knew he was murdered between 4/6 and 4/7/09, then why didn't they put 4/6 or 4/7/09 on page one of the criminal affidavit where it said date of offense. It made no sense to me at all why they charge her with murder and then don't put the date they later say he was murdered on. So, ACR provided me with a very plausible explanation. The charge is premeditated murder and that may be the first date they can prove she did something to plan for this murder, such as bought a gun or made the video of Abraham. It is the only thing that has made sense to me as to why they would put a different date on the cover of the criminal affidavit. If that is the case, which it sounds right, then why didn't they follow it up within the criminal affidavit and say something like, "On 4/1/09, Dorice did (whatever the premeditated act was)"? Maybe they did and I just missed it, but I couldn't find it. The criminal affidavit has already been shown to be in error on the property transfers. But the explanation ACR gave is a pretty good one.
I don't know why they decided date of death was 4/6 - 4/7/09. I'm pretty sure that after that much time, they couldn't pinpoint it by the condition of the body to a specific date. I thought it was possible that they could have found something in his clothing or in his wallet with a date on it, like another lotto ticket with a 4/6/09 date on it. There were several people who said they saw him alive on 4/3/09 when he supposedly signed the power of attorney, including the person who notarized it or witnessed it, whichever it was. There may be a cell phone call he made to someone that they found in the cell phone records who remembers the call and can say it was definitely him. I think some of the answers we will have to wait until the trial to get, if ever.

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Since this is obviously posted to me, imo the statement clearly mean Abraham was shot sometime between April 1- April 13. As NG always says premeditation can happen in a second, so they don't have to give extended dates for the purpose of premeditation. The only things a murdered after April 3 time line is based on is:
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which we have seen be wrong
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that of the docs we have seen that day the verified ID section is not filled in
Though I don't really know why only my theory is being sought after to proove wrong.
NO, this WAS NOT obviously meant as a post to you. I was not thinking of you or anybody on this forum or their theories when I made the post. I was simply posting back to tigergal71 on the news link she/he provided then adding my own thoughts and opinion as to why *I thought* LE might have included the April 1st date.

Perhaps you're being a little sensitive. I personally am on no mission to prove your theory, or anybodies theories for that matter, to be right or wrong. If I do find a quote from the media or from official affidavit's then I do post it here but it's just information.

Theories and brainstorming is good, and I more than welcome others correcting something I may have posted in error. That's what keeps us sharp and on our toes. I'm sorry if you feel I personally targeted you but that's so far from the truth.

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Guys, guys....

Seriously, hope I didn't bring a negative vibe here. That stuff gets contagious and I'll kick myself if I did that.

You know what I love about this thread? The teamwork, dedication and intelligence wrapped up in here just blows my mind.

This thread is really what this site is all about. It's useful for LE in a big way and I for one have learned a lot from you guys. Abraham will get justice.

I have more questions I'm waiting to ask when I get my laptop back. Hope you all are here to help me sort through them.
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Susan"There were several people who said they saw him alive on 4/3/09 when he supposedly signed the power of attorney, including the person who notarized it or witnessed it, whichever it was."

I apreciate the link attached with this post but can you please provide the info regarding this statement. or are you saying you "believe" he was killed those dates? Because like I keep saying this aboved snipped by be concerns a notary of what we have seen from that day DOES NOT fill in the section of how Abraham was identified. The other people who would have been there are DEEDEE and Haggins which I dont base much upon what they say.
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