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Old 03-21-2010, 04:16 PM
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Farrah haired upset older woman

This is one of the few women in these pictures that looks older to me. She also looks very upset in both pictures. (whereas some of the younger girls look happy)

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/02081.jpg

I think she resembles this person, though the Namus picture isn't very clear. Gayla Christine Schaper, disappeared June 1979, when she was 27, from Moscow Idaho:

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2068/0/

There's another picture of her here:

http://missing87975.yuku.com/topic/3...9.html?page=-1

It mentions a "Lewis & Clark Valley" serial killer. Not sure what exactly they are referring to yet, but someone here mentioned the ring on another girl could be Lewis & Clark college or something? If Alcala was going back and forth to Washington, he certainly could've jaunted into Idaho easily enough.

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Old 03-21-2010, 05:09 PM
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This is one of the few women in these pictures that looks older to me. She also looks very upset in both pictures. (whereas some of the younger girls look happy)

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/02081.jpg

I think she resembles this person, though the Namus picture isn't very clear. Gayla Christine Schaper, disappeared June 1979, when she was 27, from Moscow Idaho:

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2068/0/

There's another picture of her here:

http://missing87975.yuku.com/topic/3...9.html?page=-1

It mentions a "Lewis & Clark Valley" serial killer. Not sure what exactly they are referring to yet, but someone here mentioned the ring on another girl could be Lewis & Clark college or something? If Alcala was going back and forth to Washington, he certainly could've jaunted into Idaho easily enough.
First two pics are Shaper, the last two are from Alcalas pics.
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Old 03-21-2010, 05:17 PM
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This is one of the few women in these pictures that looks older to me. She also looks very upset in both pictures. (whereas some of the younger girls look happy)

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/02081.jpg

I think she resembles this person, though the Namus picture isn't very clear. Gayla Christine Schaper, disappeared June 1979, when she was 27, from Moscow Idaho:

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2068/0/

There's another picture of her here:

http://missing87975.yuku.com/topic/3...9.html?page=-1

It mentions a "Lewis & Clark Valley" serial killer. Not sure what exactly they are referring to yet, but someone here mentioned the ring on another girl could be Lewis & Clark college or something? If Alcala was going back and forth to Washington, he certainly could've jaunted into Idaho easily enough.
I think this is a definite possibility.
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Old 03-21-2010, 05:25 PM
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I do too Billylee.
I can't enlarge the pic with the red shirt enough to see her teeth without it blurring too much. Can anybody else see if the teeth are similar? They sure do look a lot alike.
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Old 03-21-2010, 05:45 PM
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This is one of the few women in these pictures that looks older to me. She also looks very upset in both pictures. (whereas some of the younger girls look happy)

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/02081.jpg

I think she resembles this person, though the Namus picture isn't very clear. Gayla Christine Schaper, disappeared June 1979, when she was 27, from Moscow Idaho:

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2068/0/

There's another picture of her here:

http://missing87975.yuku.com/topic/3...9.html?page=-1

It mentions a "Lewis & Clark Valley" serial killer. Not sure what exactly they are referring to yet, but someone here mentioned the ring on another girl could be Lewis & Clark college or something? If Alcala was going back and forth to Washington, he certainly could've jaunted into Idaho easily enough.
She looks like a promising match.

If she's in Alcala photos it's most likely an isolated case, IMO. (By isolated I mean that somebody else killed those other people.) From what I can find in your links and by googling, many of the disappearances or murders that might have to do with a possible serial killer in Lewiston/Clarkston happened in the 1980's and Alcala had an alibi, being incarcerated.

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Old 03-21-2010, 10:35 PM
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She looks like a promising match.

If she's in Alcala photos it's most likely an isolated case, IMO. (By isolated I mean that somebody else killed those other people.) From what I can find in your links and by googling, many of the disappearances or murders that might have to do with a possible serial killer in Lewiston/Clarkston happened in the 1980's and Alcala had an alibi, being incarcerated.
Schaper looks like the woman in the Alcala photo. The only question I have is the eye color. Her "missing" page says blue, but the UID woman appears to have green or hazel eyes. The timeline is OK, but it would require Alcala to leave L.A. and travel to Idaho (Moscow, ID is on the border with Washington state) soon after the Samsoe killing, in fact only nine days later. It's not clear to me where he was on June 29, 1979, but he was certainly back in L.A. soon after. According to reports, he left his Monterey Park home sometime in early July to travel to Seattle where he rented the locker on the 11th, then returned home. He was arrested on July 24th and has been in jail or prison ever since.

It would be great to have an exact timeline of late June/early July, 1979 to pin this down some more. According to reports, the timeline is one of the things detectives are hard at work on.
This guy was all over the place killing women, he was consumed with murder. I wouldn't be shocked if the ultimate toll of victims is a hundred or more.
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Old 03-22-2010, 12:05 AM
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This is one of the few women in these pictures that looks older to me. She also looks very upset in both pictures. (whereas some of the younger girls look happy)

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/02081.jpg

I think she resembles this person, though the Namus picture isn't very clear. Gayla Christine Schaper, disappeared June 1979, when she was 27, from Moscow Idaho:

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2068/0/

There's another picture of her here:

http://missing87975.yuku.com/topic/3...9.html?page=-1

It mentions a "Lewis & Clark Valley" serial killer. Not sure what exactly they are referring to yet, but someone here mentioned the ring on another girl could be Lewis & Clark college or something? If Alcala was going back and forth to Washington, he certainly could've jaunted into Idaho easily enough.

I went ahead and sent an email to Gayla's Namus contact. If they're in touch with Gayla's relatives, I'm sure they'll know whether or not it's her.
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Here's a pic I think is this same woman, taken at a different time.

Link to large version.
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/02151.jpg

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What kind of trees are they that are used to hold up the backdrop?Would they be particular to the area of Lewis/Clarkston? At first I didn't think they were real. Why wouldn't a photographer use the natural light? Then again look who we are talking about. I've never seen trees like this.
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Old 03-24-2010, 09:32 AM
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What kind of trees are they that are used to hold up the backdrop?Would they be particular to the area of Lewis/Clarkston? At first I didn't think they were real. Why wouldn't a photographer use the natural light? Then again look who we are talking about. I've never seen trees like this.
They could be some species of yucca or euphorbia?
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:07 AM
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What kind of trees are they that are used to hold up the backdrop?Would they be particular to the area of Lewis/Clarkston? At first I didn't think they were real. Why wouldn't a photographer use the natural light? Then again look who we are talking about. I've never seen trees like this.
I don't think it's a backdrop. It looks like the window of a motel room or lobby.

Those aren't trees that live in most of the country. I think I've seen them in Florida. I don't know what they're called, though.

I'm not sure it's the same woman. Could be, but if it is, the other hair is definitely a wig.
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Have we compared Stacie Elisabeth Madison?

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/103dftx.html
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The trees are some sort of palm. I can tell by the 'node' looking protrusions on the trunk that are left when the fronds fall off.

Part of a frond can also be seen on the tree on the right.
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Have we compared Stacie Elisabeth Madison?

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/103dftx.html
Unless I'm misreading something, she didn't go missing until 1988, did she?
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I don't think it's a backdrop. It looks like the window of a motel room or lobby.

Those aren't trees that live in most of the country. I think I've seen them in Florida. I don't know what they're called, though.

I'm not sure it's the same woman. Could be, but if it is, the other hair is definitely a wig.
I don't think it is a wig at all, that is the way a lot of us wore our hair back then.
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I don't think it is a wig at all, that is the way a lot of us wore our hair back then.
Yes, they did. I am leaning more towards these both being the same woman, though taken at a long separation in time. Long enough for her hair to have grown out and been done in the Farrah style. Looking at the large versions of the pictures on the Nancy Grace site, both women seem to have upper teeth where the 2 fronts are close together, then a slight gap between them and the next teeth on each side.
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Unless I'm misreading something, she didn't go missing until 1988, did she?
Nope. You are right! I have once again gotten this timeline confused. TY TY
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I don't think it is a wig at all, that is the way a lot of us wore our hair back then.
I should have said, wig or dye job, and all I meant was that it doesn't match her natural hair very well. Sorry, I've got a bad cold and not phrasing things very clearly. (I used to wear that haircut myself...)
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Yes, they did. I am leaning more towards these both being the same woman, though taken at a long separation in time. Long enough for her hair to have grown out and been done in the Farrah style. Looking at the large versions of the pictures on the Nancy Grace site, both women seem to have upper teeth where the 2 fronts are close together, then a slight gap between them and the next teeth on each side.
I don't think they are the same. The older woman's lips are fuller and I think the two front teeth are different. I'm guessing the younger girl's picture was taken between 1971 and 1974 based on the clothing and Alcala's timeline. It's not a picture taken on the east coast. Even if the older woman's picture was taken in 1979, I just don't feel the younger girl would have aged that much. Also, he would have had to have someone keep her captive when he was in prison although that is a possibility. I just think the older woman's skin looks considerably older, especially in the chest area.
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I don't think they are the same. The older woman's lips are fuller and I think the two front teeth are different. I'm guessing the younger girl's picture was taken between 1971 and 1974 based on the clothing and Alcala's timeline. It's not a picture taken on the east coast. Even if the older woman's picture was taken in 1979, I just don't feel the younger girl would have aged that much. Also, he would have had to have someone keep her captive when he was in prison although that is a possibility. I just think the older woman's skin looks considerably older, especially in the chest area.
I'm by no means certain they're the same, I just think it's possible.
We're handicapped in comparing by the woman with the Farrah hairstyle having much more makeup applied making it difficult to compare the facial features.

Hopefully, time will tell.
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They look very close but are their nosetips the same?

Farrah haired woman has quite a lot of pigmentation on her chest.
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They look very close but are their nosetips the same?

Farrah haired woman has quite a lot of pigmentation on her chest.
Difficult to say. In the flares picture, a shadow is falling across her face and chest, obscuring details and I think the picture is also of poorer quality. Makes it impossible for me to be certain one way or the other.
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It looks to me like the upset lady's nosetip points more upwards, we can see more of her nostrils.

But I guess we could have that effect if the patch jacket lady leans slightly towards the photographer, and if the upset lady tilts her head back slightly, repulsed by the photographer and trying to get her distance.
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I don't know if this will help but I put the "Farrah Hair" on the woman by the trees. It's a pretty rough edit but thought I'd try anyway!
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I don't think they are the same. The older woman's lips are fuller and I think the two front teeth are different. I'm guessing the younger girl's picture was taken between 1971 and 1974 based on the clothing and Alcala's timeline. It's not a picture taken on the east coast. Even if the older woman's picture was taken in 1979, I just don't feel the younger girl would have aged that much. Also, he would have had to have someone keep her captive when he was in prison although that is a possibility. I just think the older woman's skin looks considerably older, especially in the chest area.
Another possibility is that he took the patchwork shirt photo early on, more casually, and then later on after he got out of jail, he located her and asked her to pose again, at which time he took advantage of her. We don't seem to have any record of him doing anything like that, but it would be a possibility.
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