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Old 03-25-2010, 06:48 PM
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Communion girl

This little girl looks to be like she's in her First Holy Communion dress. I find it odd that someone is holding her yet they are cropped out of the photograph. Is there anyone that can blow this up and perhaps we can find out a little bit about her? Anything?

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Old 03-25-2010, 09:20 PM
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My first post. The little girls haircut remined me of Janice Pocket.
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:36 PM
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My first post. The little girls haircut remined me of Janice Pocket.
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I'm wondering if this isn't Confirmation? I don't remember what age kids two front teeth are already in and the incisors are coming in? That's older than 8, right?
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I'm wondering if this isn't Confirmation? I don't remember what age kids two front teeth are already in and the incisors are coming in? That's older than 8, right?
She looks about 8 or 9. Could be Confirmation or even flower girl.
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My first post. The little girls haircut remined me of Janice Pocket.
Could you please link Janice? ( I know it's a pain in the butt, but when these threads get long, it really helps to have the links! Thanks!)
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Old 03-26-2010, 12:00 AM
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This little girl looks to be like she's in her First Holy Communion dress. I find it odd that someone is holding her yet they are cropped out of the photograph. Is there anyone that can blow this up and perhaps we can find out a little bit about her? Anything?

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I have to wonder who the person holding her is? Why would the police edit the photo to take out the person beside her?

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Old 03-26-2010, 12:08 AM
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My first post. The little girls haircut remined me of Janice Pocket.
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Could you please link Janice? ( I know it's a pain in the butt, but when these threads get long, it really helps to have the links! Thanks!)



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http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...tt_janice.html

She doesnt look like her at all to me, but I could just be tired. She was also missing since 7/26/1973 and I dont think it adds up.

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Old 03-26-2010, 12:14 AM
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I have to wonder who the person holding her is? Why would the police edit the photo to take out the person beside her?
Okay, so who said LE edited it. Perhaps it was found that way? I remember reading these were found as negatives, now I'm beginning to wonder.......?
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Old 03-26-2010, 12:25 AM
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Okay, so who said LE edited it. Perhaps it was found that way? I remember reading these were found as negatives, now I'm beginning to wonder.......?
If you click on the original photo (in the first post) and save it, it looks like this:



From what I understood the police did edit photos, though only ones that required having things cut out of the photo (such as the person being naked) so I was unsure as to why this photo seems to have had someone cut out? It certainly could have not been them that changed it, it could have been found that way.
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Old 03-26-2010, 02:47 AM
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If you click on the original photo (in the first post) and save it, it looks like this:



From what I understood the police did edit photos, though only ones that required having things cut out of the photo (such as the person being naked) so I was unsure as to why this photo seems to have had someone cut out? It certainly could have not been them that changed it, it could have been found that way.
Punk, I asked that back in the original thread about why would it be cropped like this? I also mentioned I thought a child this old may be too big to hold and the person holding the child is sitting down. Just a guess.

Horror of horrors would be it's Alcala holding the child. I looked online all night trying to find her, and the boy with the bike. I'm praying they are alive and well.

Not to add more to it, but while searching I noticed there was a woman went missing from a Church in Los Angeles, and a child missing before or after church somewhere in California. Thank goodness neither were this little girl.

I'm leaning on it being a Communion. The veil reminds me of how everyone had to wear the same veil back in the 70's. We did anyway. I don't see a flower girl wearing this kind of veil. I just wonder why in the heck he kept this photograph? Did he lure women by paying attention to their children?
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Old 03-26-2010, 04:09 AM
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Horror of horrors would be it's Alcala holding the child. I looked online all night trying to find her, and the boy with the bike. I'm praying they are alive and well.
Its odd you say that because for some reason her photo reminded me of the one with him in it, with a different girl.



Im not sure why he would be cut out of the photo though? Unless he did it?
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Its odd you say that because for some reason her photo reminded me of the one with him in it, with a different girl.



Im not sure why he would be cut out of the photo though? Unless he did it?
Me too. It reminded me of that one as well. Weird.

I bet he cut himself out somehow. Cropped it that way perhaps. As far as I can see he's only in that one photograph out of all of them. It'd be easier to identify who the locker actually belonged to where they were found. This could maybe be a relative of his?
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Old 03-27-2010, 06:23 AM
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Again, I'm dating myself. Back in the 70's, it was very common to have a miniature bride and groom at your wedding instead of a flower girl. The miniature bride at my wedding had a dress that matched mine. I think this little girl could be a member of a wedding party.
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Old 03-27-2010, 08:39 AM
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The locker was actually his and he'd rented it fraudulently in a friend's name:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...killer26m.html

"In July 1979, Alcala rented a unit at a storage center in the 17800 block of Midvale Avenue North in Shoreline. His only apparent connection to Seattle was through a female acquaintance whose name and address he used without her knowledge to rent the storage unit."
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On her arm appears to be a First Communion Rosary bracelet. It's designed specifically for someone's First Communion. The cross is likely hidden under her arm. She is almost certainly at her First Communion.
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We need to remember that in his daytime life, Alcala was a real although not terribly successful photographer, and many of these photos may have just been copies of legitimate shoots. Considering what a hurry he was in at the end, he may have scooped them all in together with no consideration to throwing out irrelevant ones. Or maybe even including irrelevant ones to hide the trophies.
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Its odd you say that because for some reason her photo reminded me of the one with him in it, with a different girl.



Im not sure why he would be cut out of the photo though? Unless he did it?
Are you sure those are different girls? One's clearly older, but could be the same girl several years later?
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Old 03-27-2010, 10:55 AM
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Are you sure those are different girls? One's clearly older, but could be the same girl several years later?
Or maybe a mother and daughter?
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Old 03-28-2010, 02:28 AM
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Are you sure those are different girls? One's clearly older, but could be the same girl several years later?
Whoa, you're right. Same chin and all. Or like Bargle said mother/daughter.

Hmmmmmmmmm. Considering this is the only photograph he had of himself out of all those pictures I'd say it's family or something. I bet he cropped himself out of that communion girl photo.
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Old 03-28-2010, 12:15 PM
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Are you sure those are different girls? One's clearly older, but could be the same girl several years later?
Not sure because I can't blow the photos up but the eyes of the older one look lighter than the child's to me.
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I think that this girl might be the same girl with the picture of her tongue sticking out. She's a few years older in the communion picture, but I really think its the same girl.

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I think that this girl might be the same girl with the picture of her tongue sticking out. She's a few years older in the communion picture, but I really think its the same girl.

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00164.jpg
EX, this crossed my mind as well, but not with these two girls. The little doll seems to have a slightly darker complexion. However, there's a photograph of a beautiful woman holding a baby all dressed up in the series of pictures. I don't have time to go through them right now, but I'll find it.

The woman has her head covered. It's either a hat or small veil like we used to have to wear in Church. You couldn't go into a Catholic Church if you were a woman with your head uncovered. From that I thought perhaps the photo was also taken at the Communion and somehow these are all his relatives??????????????? So, the woman with the head covering (you can see the mesh come across her head) and her beautiful baby may be related to communion girl.

Just a thought.
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Old 04-21-2010, 10:19 AM
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Ok, so now we know, this is Alcala with the girl. Don't know why it was edited.

So, is this his relative?

With the hair curly, does this tell us anything about when the photo was taken?
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