NV NV - Washoe County, WhtFem 156UFNV, 25-35, Sheep Flats Hiking Trail, Jul'82 *Graphic*

[Rindicella]

What's wierd Charlie, is that the infant was found in Sierra county....but it's assigned to Washoe county coroner??? Why the interstate cooperation there????

[Charlie99909]

I think it's the close proximity to a bigger city. Some elko crimes are worked by washoe county detectives. Some does out there have someone here in town assigned to them.

[Charlie99909]

K I've made my notes, now whether or not the detective returns my email I will make a phone call tomorrow and start making my official case inquiry with the police.

Later in the week I'll make my way to the church and see what I cane turn up.

[Charlie99909]

What's sad is she isn't even listed on the local paper's map of UIDs


http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...0917034&Ref=AR

[CCJD]

Originally Posted by Charlie99909

What's sad is she isn't even listed on the local paper's map of UIDs


http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...0917034&Ref=AR

She's there, but they've got a male icon instead of a female. North of the Scripps State Wildlife Management Area and west of 395.

[Rindicella]

Well, here's hoping someone at least calls you back. You're contacting Washoe Co. Sheriff's office, right?

I don't think any speculation is that far fetched Charlie. Scenarios as violent and "wierd" like my last one, seem to happen with alarming frequency. Any scenario you can come up to explain a murdered woman, with Eastern European dental work, in Sheep Flats, is worthy of consideration in my opinion. Clearly, WCS can't come up with a better one. And haven't in 28 years.
Such a shame!!!

I really hope you get to talk to someone soon. I can't wait to hear how it goes. Go Team Charlie!

[KLCD620]

Yes, she's on the list. The site incorrectly list her as "male symbol". She can be found by Rt 431 Northeast on the Mt Rose highway between Montreux Golf Club and Rolling Hills. It's near end of Rt 431 highway. All you need is to hit the + key two times & drag the map down to see the male symbol.

Charlie, you can be smiling now.

Originally Posted by Charlie99909

What's sad is she isn't even listed on the local paper's map of UIDs


http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...0917034&Ref=AR

[Charlie99909]

I already checked with the library today and I'm gonna go down there and check up some microfilm today and see if I can shed some light on the case.

[Rindicella]

Okay, here's another scenario (which might even be probable):

Maybe she was a sex worker at one of the ranches. Has an "off-duty" affair with a customer, he doesn't handle her "career" very well and he invites her to go swimming at the Lake (she had a bathing suit on under her clothes) ---- his intent is to get her alone.
When she doesn't return to "work", nobody inquires too deeply because let's face it: nature of that business is: they come and they go. So to speak.
What do you think?

[Charlie99909]

It could be.

I think we should stick to what we know right now. Depending on where the scar is located and how old it is we can go a few ways.


1- apendectomy scar.

2- c section scar- older than one year- any abandoned children under a certain age.

3- fresh c section scar- how fresh?- abandoned infant from 2/24/82?


Also how many 5'5" 1/2 girls at 112 lbs wear a size medium? I know it's 1982 sizes but still, that's a small woman.

[Rindicella]

I agree...very small woman. Her bone structure in the post mortem photos show a "delicate" frame. (Her neck)
Still, if I recall my "fashion" tips from back then - "baggy" was "IN" in 1982.
IN EUROPE.
Here in the States, I'm not sure what was going on....but that might be an indicator of long she had been in the States.

[Charlie99909]

But a baggy swimsuit?

Doesn't sound too fun once it's full of water

[carbuff]

5'4" and 120 lbs is on the small side of average, but not really small. I was about that size in 1982. Wearing a medium top and swimsuit probably indicates she wasn't small-breasted.

[Rindicella]

Originally Posted by Charlie99909

But a baggy swimsuit?

Doesn't sound too fun once it's full of water

Well, a medium isn't that big actually. They are cut small. She might have had a long torso, which would stretch it to fit.

[Rindicella]

Another thing bugging me:

"yellow tennis shoes".

I've always noticed that Americans use the words "sneaker" and "tennis shoe" interchangably to mean any kind of athletic shoe.

But in 1982 a YELLOW shoe would be unusual. Reeboks were the number selling athletic shoe that year, but mainly the white low top with the Union Jack on the side. They came out in 82 andwere the number one athletic shoe in the world. Black and white hi-tops didn't follow until about maybe 84???

a YELLOW athletic shoe of any kind, stands out to me.
Most popular brands in the early 80's were:
Reebok (#1)
Adidas
Nike

I looked and could not find a "yellow" shoe in any of these lines for that time frame.

I do remember seeing brightly colored Puma sneakers in the early 80's and have sent the company an e-mail --- if they say "yes", and this girl was wearing Yellow Puma's, then we know our girl came through western Europe anyway.
Puma was/is the number one athletic shoe in Europe. Now owned by a Swiss company but at the time, it was a German manufacturer.

[CarlK90245]

I've heard Europeans say that they can always spot an American by his or her shoes.

[Rindicella]

Originally Posted by CarlK90245

I've heard Europeans say that they can always spot an American by his or her shoes.

Absolutely true. Goes the other way too. I can always spot a foriegn national by their shoes, and sometimes can even pick it down to the country of origin. Same goes for jewelry ---

[Charlie99909]

Pay dirt!


Just left the library with 3 microfilm copies plus a new sketch.


I'll copy the articles once I'm home and post the sketch.

[Rindicella]

Originally Posted by Charlie99909

Pay dirt!


Just left the library with 3 microfilm copies plus a new sketch.


I'll copy the articles once I'm home and post the sketch.

FANTASTIC NEWS!!!!

So glad!

Will let you know as soon I hear back from Puma - I sent a note to their offices in Germany and also in New York.

[Charlie99909]

It was a total movie moment. I scrolled across and then bam! Her face was staring back at mine.


She was autopsied on Sunday the 18th.

In one of the first articles they mention a search for more victims. There are some descrepencies about her shoes and bathing suit.

[Rindicella]

Originally Posted by Charlie99909

It was a total movie moment. I scrolled across and then bam! Her face was staring back at mine.


She was autopsied on Sunday the 18th.

In one of the first articles they mention a search for more victims. There are some descrepencies about her shoes and bathing suit.

Terrific!

And those discrepancies are?????

[Charlie99909]

White tennis shoes not yellow

[Rindicella]

Originally Posted by Charlie99909

White tennis shoes not yellow

Whew! That's narrows it down.

[Charlie99909]

Sunday Morning
7/18/1982



Hikers find woman's body on Mount Rose

Hikers on Mount Rose found an unidentified dead woman Saturday afternoon who apparently died of a wound to the back of the head, officials said.

The Washoe County Sheriff's Office said investigators were still attempting to identify the victim Saturday night.

Detectives are probing the dead as a possible homicide, according to sheriff's Capt. R.W. Kellerer. The body was in the Sheep Flat area on the Lake Tahoe side of the summit.

Kellerer said the deputies will continue to search the area for possible additional victims and evidence.

Detective Capt. Bill Matthews said an autopsy will be conducted this morning to determine the cause of death.

Officials also said they not yet estimated how low the woman has been dead.

The victim was described as a white woman from 25-35, approximately 112 pounds, and 5 and 5 1/2 feet tall, with brown eyes, "long reddish brown hair worn in a bun." She wore blue jeans, a powder blue t-shirt, tennis shoes and blue bikini panties that may have been a bathing suit bottom.

Kellerer asked that anyone who knows about her death or who the may be should call the Incline station of the sheriff's office or Reno sheriff's detectives at ___-_____





Morning of Monday 7/19/1982

Identity of body found Saturday unknown

Investigators were unable Sunday to identify the body of a woman found dead on Mount Rose Saturday with a wound to the back of her head.

Mills Lane, Washoe sheriff's chief criminal deputy, said an autopsy Sunday morning indicated the wound was caused by a gunshot.

"We just have no idea who she is," Lane said. "We're asking that anybody who has any information contact us immediately."

Lane said she he would not "comment on any of the evidence" that may have been found at the scene.


Yes, Mills Lane. The one and only.


Afternoon of 7/19/1982

Homicide investigators ask for help in identifying woman

By Phil Barber

Investigators today asked for the public's help in identifying a young woman who was found fatally shot in the back of the head on Mount Rose Saturday.

"We have no idea who she is," said Bill Mathews, commander of the Washoe Sheriff's Department's detective division.

He said some hikers found the body several hundred yards off the Mount Rose highway in the area of Sheep Flat near the highway's summit. An autopsy disclosed the cause of death. Mathews said it's estimated she was killed Friday night or early Saturday morning.

He asked Northern Nevada casinos and police in the western United States if anyone of her description is missing-although Mathews said there is no reason to believe she worked in a casino.

He described her as in her mid 20s to mid 30s, 5 feet 5 inches tall, weighing 112 pounds with brown or hazel eyes and brown hair worn in a bun. He said she had an abdominal scar, had given birth at least once and had a vaccination scar on her upper left arm.

She was wearing a powder blue sleeveless t-shirt, blue jeans, white tennis shoes and a one-piece, laced swim suit.

Anyone with information that might lead to her identification or killer should call the Sheriff's Department at ___-____, Mathews said.



This photo was with the article.

[Rindicella]

Wow. You weren't kidding when you said "inconsistencies".

The first article simply said "wound" so I was thinking, Huh??? Trauma?? I thought it was a gunshot???

Then, there was no mention of the color of the shoes and it said "bikini bathing suit BOTTOMS"....by the time we get to the third article, we have:
laced swimsuit under clothing
WHITE tennis shoes
gunshot wound
Probably Not a casino worker
Oh and don't forget the line about "the one and only Mills Lane"....(stupid reporter, he/she just couldn't miss an opp to kiss some local power butt. Or is that your humor Charlie ?? If so, I agree ---he was really cool...but if that was part of the original article, I would think that's bad taste.)

Also: time of death was estimated "Friday night or early Saturday morning"....
WTH was she doing out there at that time???? Not where I would want to be on a Friday night????
How did she find her way out there in the dark????

You know I jsut remembered: I went camping out in that treeline/forest/meadow edge one summer about 10 years ago with my former husband and my small daughter....the area there is DARK...I MEAN VERY DARK....even with the highway not too far away it is incredibly DARK at night...I think we went in July....same time of year. CHILLY out there at night too...even in July! You would want at least a light jacket/sweatshirt out there even in summer, at night.

Charlie, if you can't get the WCS on the phone, are you going to see if you can find out if any of these detectives are retired and still around???


So sad, Charlie! ....lots for you to think about and mull over here....I really hope you can solve this case, give her her name back and help her rest in peace, as well as find her POS killer.
Makes me really sad.
And mad.