Identified! FL - Crescent Beach, WhtFem UP3036, 30-50, burr holes in skull, Apr'85 - Mary Alice Pultz

[malaika]

Bumping for this UID.

 

[Wanting2Help]

When I read the description of the UID's historical injuries I instantly thought of Billie Jean Hall, and I see Sleuthster was on the same page. I tried to estimate the distance between Hall's last known location and where this body was recovered, and it is only about 40 miles [I couldn't find "Crescent Beach, FL" so I selected "Crescent City, FL", I hope they are close]

Although the postmortem estimate is years, and Hall was only missing for 3 months, I think there are general consistencies strong enough to submit this one as a possible match for our UID? Could someone do that for us?

Did anyone ever submit this possible match?

 

[malaika]

bumping.

 

[summer_breeze]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/topst...e-seek-help-identifying-remains-found-in-1985

4:04 PM, Nov 28, 2012

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Payne said examination of the remains at the University of Florida determined they possibly belong to a white female. She would have been approximately 5'7" tall and had light brown or blonde hair.

Detectives believe the woman was between 20-40 years of age at the time of her death. Police also believe that woman was killed one to five years before her remains were found.

 

[CarlK90245]

Patricia Ann McGill has quite similar looking teeth

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/mcgill_patricia.html

And her height is right.

But at 41, she's slightly older than the 20-40 age range. Her hair appears darker than the Blonde/Brown specification. She is missing from the opposite end of florida (over 300 miles away). And there's no mention of brain surgery.

 

[carbuff]

There's no mention of skull surgery, but Shelley Luty had a previous skull fracture and a similar look:

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1463dfpa.html

 

[carbuff]

What about Joy Diane Cannon, missing 1982 from Chattanooga, Tennessee?

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1716dftn.html

She's 5'6" with brown hair, age 26, all within range, and has multiple healed fractures. No mention of a skull injury, though.

I think they look kind of similar.

 

[Wanting2Help]

Sniped from above article...

Detectives believe the woman was between 20-40 years of age at the time of her death. Police also believe that woman was killed one to five years before her remains were found.

NamUs lists the age as 30 to 50
They previously said 15 to 35

I wonder what is accurate?

 

[carbuff]

Sniped from above article...



NamUs lists the age as 30 to 50
They previously said 15 to 35

I wonder what is accurate?

I suspect they can't determine more than "adult woman."

The early estimate often gets refined when they get detailed forensic results back. I would say the later estimate is more likely to be accurate. But that's just my opinion.

 

[LovinTK]

Has anyone mentioned Agnes Young? It's not really clear when she went missing.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/y/young_agnes.html

 

[Spyglass]

http://staugustine.com/police-report/2012-11-28/sheriffs-office-seeks-identity-victim

Includes "crime scene" footage/photos.

 

[kdsmith21]

I also had found Billie Jean Hall and submitted her this week to Namus.. Pamela Reed ( with Namus) responded today and thinks it is worth a comparison and has sent the Dentals and information to St Johns County for comparison. Billie Jean Hall had brain tap/ likely one burr hole if not more, and several other fractures.. the time frame fits her going to Florida as well...

 

[Nameless Helper]

What about Leah Jean Van Schoick?

She disappeared in 1982 and was also biker and a bit younger. As her lips cover her teeth in both photos - perhaps she was self conscious. Blonde Hair 65 inches


http://www.charleyproject.org/images/v/vanschoick_leah.jpg

 

[Nameless Helper]

Has anyone mentioned Agnes Young? It's not really clear when she went missing.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/y/young_agnes.html

It looks like she was in a car accident although it certainly sounds like her husband may have had some role in her disappearance.

 

[Nameless Helper]

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/darnell_beverli.html

Beverli Elaine Darnell - missing from Miami 1983, overbite, transient lifestyle

Photo looks similar but I cannot seem to add it here -- is there a trick?

 

[Nameless Helper]

Thats a good find but I dont think she would have been missing long enough. The newspaper article says 1980-1984 and name us has the doe there for "years".

I agree that that time seems too short - maybe two weeks - Although a body could skeletonize quickly in the heat. However the description from Name US Below -- also seems like a highly likely match.

Large vertical surgical scar on abdomen, deep wide horizontal scar on buttocks, faded scars on chin and hands. Scar on skull from surgical tap.
Billie had frctured fingers previously. Billie had a tap through her skull following her traffic accident

 

[Nameless Helper]

What makes you think that it is not that old?

As a point of reference I have observed a deer carcass in the northeast (near Catskills) become skelatal over 2 months in a mild winter. So this could be faster in Florida. Only the hair, bone and minimal tissue remained.

 

[Nameless Helper]

Any word yet?

 

[Really?]

Has anyone mentioned Agnes Young? It's not really clear when she went missing.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/y/young_agnes.html

I can solve this one. Edward killed Agnes, cashed her checks for 10 yrs. He then used 911 as a sick excuse for her disappearance . Whe he knew the jig was up he offed himself .
He should have been looked at earlier

 

[Nameless Helper]

Any word yet?

I am anxious to know if this is a match but this is my first foray in the forum. How does this process work? Is it weeks or months?