Shannan Gilbert's 23 Minute 911 Call

[Just K]

Unfortunately you can't just roll someone into the spot where SG was found. She either ran to that spot or was carried there.

I personally knew someone who was hit, on his scooter, by a station wagon at a fairly low speed. He was thrown 60 feet through the air. His shin bone was located some 60 feet from where his body lay.

Pak's SUV was very heavy, SG was on foot and it was very dark out there between 5:00 and 5:15 AM. Chances are he was traveling faster than the driver who was exiting a shopping center and hit the man, going up a teep hill on his scooter.

 

[Hte2w8]

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[giagreen]

I personally knew someone who was hit, on his scooter, by a station wagon at a fairly low speed. He was thrown 60 feet through the air. His shin bone was located some 60 feet from where his body lay.

Pak's SUV was very heavy, SG was on foot and it was very dark out there between 5:00 and 5:15 AM. Chances are he was traveling faster than the driver who was exiting a shopping center and hit the man, going up a teep hill on his scooter.

But then that doesn't really explain why he would take of her clothes and frame the doctor. IDK Maybe the doctor hit her with his car and it was accident and he panicked. Didn't he have a truck? It would be so easy to just toss her in the back and get his butt home.

 

[mcme]

But then that doesn't really explain why he would take of her clothes and frame the doctor. IDK Maybe the doctor hit her with his car and it was accident and he panicked. Didn't he have a truck? It would be so easy to just toss her in the back and get his butt home.

Hmmm, she was hit by a car/truck hard enough to kill her but not break anything that would show up during an autopsy. Or damage the truck for that matter. Also, I've never heard that sg was found naked, only that her pants were found some distance from the remains. Speculation about what happened may be all we have here but it shouldnt fly in the face of the few facts we do know.

 

[giagreen]

Hmmm, she was hit by a car/truck hard enough to kill her but not break anything that would show up during an autopsy. Or damage the truck for that matter. Also, I've never heard that sg was found naked, only that her pants were found some distance from the remains. Speculation about what happened may be all we have here but it shouldnt fly in the face of the few facts we do know.

Well if she was hit just right it could happen. I mean I had a friend a few years back who fell getting out of the shower hit her head just right and passed away. She could of been hit not even hard but hard enough to knock her down...hit her head on a rock. It does happen.
IDk what happen to SG but I don't think I'll ever be happy with the drowning answer SCPD gave us.
I'm not sure if she was found fully naked. But from what I understand she was. Not sure about the bra tho....I can't remember if she had a tang top on with no bra or just a bra on. IDK can anyone clear that up for us?

 

[anny ominus]

if she was hit by a truck how did her purse, phone shoes and pants get into that marsh? they didn't fly there.

 

[PickleChris]

Anyone ever think that for 21 out of the 23 minutes she was on hold? It's happened before.

 

[mcme]

Anyone ever think that for 21 out of the 23 minutes she was on hold? It's happened before.

She wasn't on hold. For the first five or six minutes she was on the phone with a 911 operator and after mentioning Jones beach was transferred to the state police operator for the rest of the time. It's part of why Suffolk police didn't connect her 911 call to the oak beach residents calls.

 

[LINative13]

She wasn't hit by a car and thrown in the marsh. Stop. Scpd would have jumped all over the oppurtunity to blame this on a hit and run.

 

[giagreen]

She wasn't hit by a car and thrown in the marsh. Stop. Scpd would have jumped all over the oppurtunity to blame this on a hit and run.

lol true...true

 

[Justiceforever]

Yes, I signed up specifically to follow this thread. Read the other LISK threads and what I could access as a non member.

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[Hte2w8]

:Welcome1:

Thank you Justice.

 

[hawkshaw]

Can "Mr.Grimm" and "Mr.Carroll" be so kind as to write a script as to how the other ten bodies were found in the area. just the 4 others will do for now.

 

[hawkshaw]

Let us break this down to the basics instead of trying to come up the ridiculous. SG goes missing under some very suspicious circumstances. She was an escort advertising on Craig's List. No one can seem to find her. Her family and others make a big stink about the cops not finding her and the investigation that may have never happened.

A K-9 cop that apparently had nothing better to do ( you have to be called out or else you will have no work) decides to make some use of his and his dog's time and they go out to Oak Beach for an exercise if whatever. He finds one corpse, then another and two others. This brings the SG matter into the spotlight, again.

There are 10 bodies found in all. I focus on the GB 4. They were all prostitutes. They all advertised on Craig'd List. Like SG, they are all DEAD.

The police and DA will tell you the GB4 were all murdered. The Police/DA can't seem to get their heads around that SG was also murdered. It is their best lead in solving ALL the crimes. What do they do? The remove the prime suspects in this investigation off their radar screen. They are the only people worthwhile speaking to at this time.

Dormer tells us there is 'no serial killer' with a blood dripping knife going around killing people. How does he know this?

He also suggested that SG died by some sort of accident, Her clothes were removed by being tangled in the bush. He said SG died from an accidental drowning. The ME has issued no such report. The best the ME can do is to say the cause of death is undetermined.

A soon to be retiring detectives writes and unsolicited letter to Newsday stating that he heard the 23 minute 911 call from SG and he said he could find no evidence of SG believing her life was in danger. LOL. Whether you want to believe she was hysterical and mind altering drugs, you cannot reasonably come to the conclusion she didn't believe her life was in danger. Why would he say this if there wasn't an attempt to distract from the truth?

By coincidence it was this same detective that was charged with the murder investigation of a Peter G on 9/24/03, outside of what should have been known as a drug distribution center. There were three very viable suspects in that case and it has not been solved. One of those suspects was Chief Burke's neighbor ( 1998 -2002) But I guess Burke didn't know that his neighbor was a serial criminal living in his neighborhood ? OK, he was courting a known prostitute with a record of 27 felony arrests. She is a convicted drug addict, a thief, and a well know prostitute. But Burke didn't know that. On the other hand the PD had not yet instituted Burke's Brain-Child of Intelligence Led Policing. If he had he might have known that. The least he may have done was to have sex in his police car with non-felons.

 

[hawkshaw]

OK, maybe the Imaginers can come up with an explanation as to why SG suddenly died. But what about the other 10 bodies, more importantly the GB4. This not some third world country where scores are people are killed all the time.

 

[Hte2w8]

I don't have enough facts to form an opinion, yet, on whether SG was killed or died accidentally... I am on the fence on that. What I am reasonably sure of, is that the police have more information than they are sharing...and some of the information they developed has led them to believe that the murders are the work of the same killer...contrary to what they claimed earlier. I'd give anything to see the murder books on this.

 

[hawkshaw]

My understanding of how the 911 system works is when you make a call it bounces to the jurisdiction that you are in. The call went to SCPD. IF SG said she was at Jones Beach it should have gotten someone curious.

One poster said she might have been put on HOLD. This was at 430 in the morning?

Does anyone know if 911 calls have location markers to approximate where the call is coming from? I have to believe most police departments have the ability to do that.

Why not just release the tape? Will that 'interfere' with their 'investigation?"

"INVESTIGATION" !!!! YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME !!! After they mess up with the Lucero murder many of them get transferred out of Homicide. James Burke makes Chief of Department and he brings them all back to HOMICIDE. Now this Burke fellow has been identified as a cop that was charged with engaging in sex with a prostitute while working in his police car. It was all there in Newsday a couple of months ago. LOL, the IAB report did mention that Burke was valued as a cop that knew the territory of those criminals in the area. I should say he did ! With all his knowledge about prostitution this guy should have CLOSED this case while he was smoking cigars at the Oheka Castle. I am sure a couple of hookers show up at the place - for entertainment purposes, only.

 

[ps149]

My understanding of how the 911 system works is when you make a call it bounces to the jurisdiction that you are in. The call went to SCPD.

That is only your assumption. Truth is, you have no proof which 911 center received her call. Keep in mind, she made the call from her cell phone (not a land line). Also keep in mind that she was on a barrier island (not the mainland). Her call could have been routed to Suffolk county dispatch only if the nearest cell tower for the cell phone carrier she subscribed to was located in Suffolk. It is entirely possible that the nearest tower for her cell carrier was actually located in Massapequa. If that is the case, then her call was initially answered by Nassau County.

It is details like this that are not being released to the public. It's okay to make assumptions. But pointing fingers at specific authorities based upon those assumptions does nothing to help solve this case. It's all white noise and the very reason why I cannot stand to read these discussions any more\ for more than a few minutes a month.

:banghead:

 

[hawkshaw]

all they need to do is to release the tape. you can't have it both ways when you get a detective to write a letter to Newsday and say he heard the tape and there was nothing to it. Just release it and redact names, if necessary.

I am assuming nothing. All I am doing is to question where the call came into. How it got there is a legitimate question.

 

[giagreen]

Nothing to really do with anything about where the calls went into or if they should or shouldn't release the tape. But, I've been thinking about this lately. If I was SG or SG's family I don't think I would want the public to hear the tape.
Maybe out of respect for the ones who have passed we should let it rest. Yes, it would be interesting for us to hear but would it really be useful if it's not even useful to LE? Maybe it was drugs, maybe there was really someone trying to hurt her either way to me that is a very privet moment of fear, desperation and anxiety. I just don't think I would want my friends, family, or the public to hear me in that state of mind regardless of what put me in that state of mind. LE is as far as I would want it to go. But that's just me.