MO MO - St Louis, BlkFem 8-11, 54UFMO, in abandoned bldg, Feb'83

[windstorm]

I don't remember where I read this but the police did extensive work in the schools in many states to spot any girl who would have stop going to school or changed school suddenly, that kind of thing. They worked every suspect case until they found the maching kid. It gaves nothing at all, no kid that was unaccounted for. That is what is very weird in this case: a kid that age leaves traces at school, the doctor, the dentist, her friends, whatever but nothing at all surfaced. Maybe she was kept apart from the begining, like some other kidnaped children.

I remember reading that, but IIRC they searched schools within a certain radius of St. Louis (like 100 miles or something). She could have been from anywhere. California, Washington, Maine, Florida...even Alaska or Hawaii.

 

[Roselvr]

Her full report is available via Google cache Save it as HTML file. Her profile has already been updated in Google cache; so anyone needing the info; save the full report before google crawls again.

Attached as PDF

 

[Medea2]

I remember reading that, but IIRC they searched schools within a certain radius of St. Louis (like 100 miles or something). She could have been from anywhere. California, Washington, Maine, Florida...even Alaska or Hawaii.

I think they did more extensive searches in the "black community" throught papers, magasines, schools bulletin, etc.

I am not sure but I think there was something suggesting she was from the St-Louis area, some later analisys of pollen or that kind of stuff. (sorry if I am not precise I have read a lot of things and it was a while.)

And of course, the fact the head was missing greatly complicates things. Maybe if there was a photo or portrait, someone would have recognised her. I have always wondered if the head was taken to prevent identification or if it was some kind of trophy. Maybe if someday there is a match for a skull, it will help to identifie her.

 

[Roselvr]

I hope that a sibling comes forward for this little girl too!

Identified! NY - Bronx, "Baby Hope" HispFem 50UFNY, 3-5, In Beverage Cooler, July'91

Police Identify Mother of "Baby Hope," Toddler Found in Cooler 22 Years Ago: Official

I thought I would post this, as I had not seen this picture before.

From Namus: https://identifyus.org/en/cases/3199

I am not sure if the link will go right where I want it to, so if it doesn't, flip to the pictures section....The middle picture shows the investigators at the time holding up the sweater that was later lost. It gives a much better idea of the size of the sweater, as opposed to the picture of it just laying on a table. It looks large, not a child's size, really.

There are also no rule-outs listed on Namus. Would I call the medical examiner or the detective about getting them listed?

Shame they touched the sweater without gloves. Would be nice if it pops up in a storage shed or attic.

Both articles are attached

 

[Spurser]

I feel very sad for this little girl. I believe that if a little white girl had been found dead with her head missing, it would have been all over the news. The only reason I've heard of this case is because I frequent WS and the Doe Network.

I can remember as a kid hearing about Adam Walsh and Jacob Wetterling, etc. Never had I heard of this case until I discovered WS.

 

[windstorm]

I feel very sad for this little girl. I believe that if a little white girl had been found dead with her head missing, it would have been all over the news. The only reason I've heard of this case is because I frequent WS and the Doe Network.

I can remember as a kid hearing about Adam Walsh and Jacob Wetterling, etc. Never had I heard of this case until I discovered WS.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I don't agree with you though. I've heard about this case since it happened and I don't live near St. Louis and I'm white. I have read countless articles and reports on the detectives in this case and they are heart wrenching. The detectives were white, too. The lead detective who continued to work on this case well after his retirement is said to have told his daughter on his deathbed that finally, he will meet little Jane Doe and know what happened to her.

 

[Terrib11]

I feel very sad for this little girl. I believe that if a little white girl had been found dead with her head missing, it would have been all over the news. The only reason I've heard of this case is because I frequent WS and the Doe Network.

I can remember as a kid hearing about Adam Walsh and Jacob Wetterling, etc. Never had I heard of this case until I discovered WS.

I'm from St. Louis and this case hit everyone hard. It has been worked very dilligently without regard to race and put in the local news at every given chance.

I remember when it happend and felt absolutely horrible. I never thought it would go this long without being solved.

 

[Spurser]

I didn't mean that the people involved in the investigation were not 100% committed. It was obvious from all that I have read on these sites how much they cared. I'm just saying that this case never made national news to the extent of Adam Walsh, etc. At least not in my area. Not that it matters, but since I brought up the race issue, I should mention that I'm white.

 

[Medea2]

I have been thinking about this case for a long time and there are a lot of questions that I found very troubling. I mean, many details in that crime seem very peculiar. I just thought I could share them here to see if anyone have other ideas/infos.

-where was the crime scene (since where she was found was just the dumping ground)? I am not a specialist, but I would think a beheading means a lot of blood and mess.
-why dump the body where it would be easily found but keep the head? why not hide the whole body? Was it meant as a kind of message to a few people who would recognise her anyway?
-where is the head? what could have happened of it? was it destroyed, kept as a trophy, dumped somewhere else? If the goal was to conceal her identity, getting rid of the head could have been a big risk.
-where was the rest of her clothing? it was winter, she possibly had a lot of cloaths on. How was it disposed of? why leave only the yellow shirt? was it put back after her murder? why go to the trouble of cutting the label?
-where is the knife used to cut the head?
-how was the body moved to that house? Could the killer really live nearby and take such a risk? He could have been recognised. Could he have find that place by chance? Maybe he knew the place and drive there from far of.

 

[STANDREID]

I apologize if this is somewhere in this thread but when was the last time the building was checked and the victim was not there? If I recall, the men were in the derelict structure looking for scrap metal so I wonder if someone else might have been in there earlier for the same reason or if some children might have played in there on an earlier date when on body wasn't there.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

May I please ask do they have DNA on her now? Were they able to get it?

Also did it look like some one had been living in the abandoned house before and when she was found? Like a homeless person or transient person or persons or gang hideout?

 

[windstorm]

May I please ask do they have DNA on her now? Were they able to get it?

Also did it look like some one had been living in the abandoned house before and when she was found? Like a homeless person or transient person or persons or gang hideout?

Yes, they were able to get DNA after the body was exhumed and it has been submitted according to NAMUS.

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/3199

 

[Roselvr]

Has anyone been in contact with her ME?
Would be nice if they also make a push to ID her like NY did with baby "Hope"...

Also; Racine Jane Doe was exhumed for new DNA testing. Would be nice to know if similar testing was done for this little girl.

My link in the post below doesn't work; here is the new URL -
Body of Jane Doe exhumed, due for new analysis

Body of Jane Doe exhumed, due for new analysis - October 16, 2013

RACINE CO. (WITI) — The body of an unidentified homicide victim discovered on the edge of a cornfield along 92nd St. in Racine County back in July 1999 was exhumed on Wednesday, October 16th. She was transported to the Milwaukee County Medical Examiner’s Office for analysis.

The Sheriff’s Office has been consulting with the FBI’s Behavioral Analysis Unit, NCMEC & NamUs about exhuming her body. Scientific testing technology has advanced a lot since they found her. They feel they could get answers about her life in the weeks, months & years before she was murdered due to the new technology as well as helping to figure out who murdered her.

 

[Medea2]

Also did it look like some one had been living in the abandoned house before and when she was found? Like a homeless person or transient person or persons or gang hideout?

From the crime scene photos it really look like a dump, full of rubbish.

I wonder who the house belonged to, I don't remember having ever read about that.

 

[Roselvr]

NamUs profile updated The following fields have been changed:
DNA : ORI changed from "MOSPD0059" to ""

DNA : Location changed from "Other" to "University of North Texas"

DNA : Reference Number changed from "303033Q3" to ""

DNA : Location Other changed from "St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department" to ""

DNA : Comments changed from "Full profile on file St. Louis Metro Police Dept. 1200 Clark St. Louis, MO 63103 314-444-5537 " to ""

DNA : mtDNA changed from "Unchecked" to "Checked"

Physical / Medical : Other Distinctive Physical Characteristics changed from "Unchecked" to "Checked"

Physical / Medical : Other Distinctive Physical Characteristics Details changed from "" to "Wearing two two coats of red fingernail polish. "

Physical / Medical : Other Distinctive Physical Characteristics Details changed from "Wearing two two coats of red fingernail polish. " to "Wearing two two coats of red fingernail polish. Approximate 61 - 70 lbs and 4 ft 10 inches tall. "

Physical / Medical : Other Distinctive Physical Characteristics Details changed from "Wearing two two coats of red fingernail polish. Approximate 61 - 70 lbs and 4 ft 10 inches tall. " to "Wearing two two coats of red fingernail polish. Approximate 61 - 70 lbs and 4 ft 10 inches tall. There were no scars, irregularities, deformities or other specific features that would give clues to her identity. "

 

[Roselvr]

Do we have anyone that's spoken to LE? Read this update..

NamUs Case # 3199 has had changes made.
The following fields have been changed:
Circumstances : Circumstances changed from "The decapitated body of a young girl was found in the basement of a vacant apartment building at 5635 Clemons, St. Louis, MO. Estimated age is between 8 and 11 years old. Approximate 61 - 70 lbs and 4 ft 10 inches tall. Wearing two two coats of red fingernail polish. There were no scars, irregularities, deformities or other specific features that would give clues to her identity. " to "Young female found in basement of a vacant building. Estimated age is between 8 and 11 years old. Full Anthropology exam completed - NCMEC / Smithsonian Full Isotope analysis completed - NCMEC / Smithsonian"

DNA : ORI changed from "" to "TX220035Y "

DNA : nucDNA changed from "Checked" to "Unchecked"

DNA : Reference Number changed from "" to "13-1813"

DNA : Comments changed from "" to "No STR Results"

 

[Ambercat]

Do we have anyone that's spoken to LE? Read this update..

NamUs Case # 3199 has had changes made.
The following fields have been changed:
Circumstances : Circumstances changed from "The decapitated body of a young girl was found in the basement of a vacant apartment building at 5635 Clemons, St. Louis, MO. Estimated age is between 8 and 11 years old. Approximate 61 - 70 lbs and 4 ft 10 inches tall. Wearing two two coats of red fingernail polish. There were no scars, irregularities, deformities or other specific features that would give clues to her identity. " to "Young female found in basement of a vacant building. Estimated age is between 8 and 11 years old. Full Anthropology exam completed - NCMEC / Smithsonian Full Isotope analysis completed - NCMEC / Smithsonian"

DNA : ORI changed from "" to "TX220035Y "

DNA : nucDNA changed from "Checked" to "Unchecked"

DNA : Reference Number changed from "" to "13-1813"

DNA : Comments changed from "" to "No STR Results"

Hopefully, this means that they have more information about were she came from that will lead to who she is.

 

[Azriell]

New article out this morning from STL.com

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/research-unlocks-some-secrets-about-decapitated-girl-for-st-louis/article_36de5a5c-b615-5292-b5aa-abb99a888a6c.html

"DNA testing confirmed the profile St. Louis experts already had, but the mineral tests, or stable isotope analysis, revealed the child probably spent most of, if not all of, her life in one of 10 southeastern states: Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Texas, Tennessee and the Carolinas."

 

[carbuff]

I see she's scheduled to be reburied next month.

And now that Fox and other researchers believe everything that can be done with the remains from a scientific standpoint is completed, the medical examiner has referred the case to the Garden of Innocents so the child can be buried in a plot maintained by the nonprofit organization that inters indigents at Calvary Cemetery. The child, referred to as "Little Jane Doe" or "Hope," is scheduled to be buried there at 10 a.m. Feb. 8.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_36de5a5c-b615-5292-b5aa-abb99a888a6c.html

 

[Ambercat]

It sounds like she is from outside Missouri yet not outside the country from the article. I checked various missing persons websites and wasn't able to find any black female children who went missing from the southern part of the US during that time period.

It is probably just a coincidence, but another UID listing on NamUs got my attention this evening. In Dixon, MO, a skull from a young person between the age of 8 to 13 was found on private property approx 30' off of the highway in a wooded area.

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/11725

The location in Dixon, MO is about 137 miles from 5635 Clemens Ave in St. Louis. Yahoo Maps estimates it takes 2 hours 12 minutes to drive.