I was aware of Patsy's meeting with Arndt just before her death. But I was not aware that any hint of insider information was discussed. Arndt was likely familiar with families where sexual abuse has been ongoing and perhaps she had her suspicions here. Mothers in such high-stress situations often "look the other way" or are in denial. They simply cannot face confronting the abuser or if that abuser is another child, may not want to be the cause of that child being publicly identified, punished, etc. They also sometimes hope it will just
"go away" or the kids will outgrow it.
I DO know that one of Patsy's friends, PW, confronted Patsy, saying she wanted to talk to her about "what was really going on".
Patsy rebuffed her completely by saying to her something like "I am the mother- how could you possibly know something that I don't"
Odd reaction, ya'think? If a friend of mine had said that to me and I truly did not know what she was talking about I think I would WANT her to tell me what she thought.
But of course, Patsy knew or suspected.
Thanks, DeeDee249!
I agree with you, that if any of my friends had said that to me, too, and I was genuinely clueless, I would insist that they fully explained to me! But, then, every single reaction of both Ramsey's was odd, from start to finish!
I'm considering whether there was more than one family member molesting/abusing JB, and if there was a private "culture" of it within that family- part of how they lived their lives? And Patsy definately knew about it, in my opinion. This leads me back to the Original Post of this thread, about the 911 call...
I've tried thinking about DocG's JDI acting entirely alone theory... I can really imagine John possibly being the killer, for example, but the problem is, I just can't accept that Patsy was unsuspecting or innocent, or somehow duped or manipulated whilst being innocent, by John. I see her, at the very least, having full knowledge, even if she didn't actually kill JB herself.
I believe in Statement Analysis, just from a purely logical, instinctive, point of view, and I just feel convinced that the 911 call was deliberately deceptive. I know some people disagree, but it's just my instinct. Linked to what you've said about Patsy's strange reactions, I feel her choices of wording are very telling. I think her statement: "We have a kidnapping", was an opener, meant to "get this show on the road"' and set the agenda, as has already been said.
Never calling JB by her name, only "that child", indicates to me that she had emotionally distanced herself already from her daughter. And the "She's blonde" statement could mean a subconscious give away that JB was more of a doll-like object to her, rather than a real little person to be genuinely grieved over. This kind of cold reaction does make me feel that what happened wasn't a spur of the moment "accident"' as I don't know any "normal" mother who would already be so detached from a truly unexpected situation? Unless, possibly, she was in shock? Somehow, I don't get that impression, but could be wrong, of course!
For the same reasons, personally, I can't see either parents covering for a BDI situation, either- not in that particular way, and with such lack of emotion for the victim. Surely, if one of your children had killed the other, even if you were in a state of extreme shock, you would show more immediate distress/grief/concern, and at the very least, you wouldn't be distancing yourself so quickly from the poor victim, your supposedly much-loved other child? To me, personally, for that reason alone, it just doesn't add up.
Also, do any of us honestly know any parent who could imagine, even in a state of panic and distress, making such a quick mental leap to decide to stage their daughter's brutal murder, even to protect their other child, by dreaming up a garrotte etc?! I can't think of any "ordinary" parents I know, where that would even enter their heads! I think, purely personally, that if parents did decide to cover for and protect their remaining child, they wouldn't choose that particular way to do it. I mean, you must surely have a much darker side to you in the first place, to be thinking of any such things? My own instincts tell me that there's a more complex explanation for it all, involving one or both parents.
I know many disagree on these points, and may hear the 911 call as being genuine, and also have strong reasons to believe in BDI, and I really respect that. I'm open-minded! Just purely wanted to share my own thoughts, that's all.