Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #15

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otto said:
And here I thought that they argued law.
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I think probably at some point they'll put it all together in a creative package and present it as an argument at the trial. I doubt they "argue" as much as we do! lol
 
news.talk said:
Since apparently I am getting a sex change, I might as well be Ron Burgundy! [emoji67]
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Nooooo, I only totally completed misjudged and assumed 'male' because of the name and pic for some strange reason! And for some reason when I see and think of 'news.talk' I seriously think Bill Kurtis. Sorry for jumping the gun there :) Can I say foot in mouth? :footinmouth: Might be wrong expression though...
 
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I don't see an article referencing oil executives in Calgary having connections to drugs. Obviously when discussing oil/gas in Calgary, it is the oil executives that are discussed, not rig workers, because there are no oil rigs in Calgary, just head offices.
 
stan laurel said:
it's true,, google it, phone le in cowtown, call a homeless shelter, call an addictions rehab center. and fort mcmurray is the oil on the larger scheme of it, Calgary is the executive center, Edmonchuk is the bulk of the blue collar workers (and cowtown too). natural gas is mostly southern alberta into sakatchewan but the bulk of the oil, fracking or tarsands processing is in the greater fort mac area,, fort mac is the pudding. it think there is a misconception that the industry is town specific, whereas it's really a team of towns that make the industry.
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The point was whether oil/gas employees in Calgary are involved in the drug business, not whether oil/gas employees in other parts of the province/country are involved in drugs. Although people in other places use drugs, that does not lead to the conclusion that oil/gas executives in Calgary are making drug deals in back alleys. To say so is, in my opinion, absurd.
 
Lalalacasbah said:
I don't want to get burned at the stake or torched by other sleuthers for saying this - but if DG is playing/manipulating the system (I'm sure he learned a thing or two in prison in the 90s from the other inmates) by getting himself on a suicide watch, that is actually quite convenient for him not to face his family in a visitation.

And while on SW, it keeps him segregated from the crowds and other loud inmates.

I (finally) found this very detailed info on suicide watch:
http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/acts-and-regulations/843-cd-eng.shtml#s2a
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IIRC, DG is at the Calgary Remand Centre, so I don't think that is covered by CSC policies governing federal inmate admissions. There might be different policy/procedure under Alberta provincial corrections (I haven't had any luck in finding anything but am short on time .. should be found somewhere under Alberta Solicitor General ).
 
otto said:
It is interesting that there are drug problems in Fort McMurray.
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It's quite sad, and unfortunately, typical. When you pack thousands of mostly men from all walks of life into remote camps to work big hours in challenging conditions...

I have always thought of camp jobs as voluntary prison. Yes, there's money to be made, but for some, it's not worth the trade offs.
 
otto said:
The point was whether oil/gas employees in Calgary are involved in the drug business, not whether oil/gas employees in other parts of the province/country are involved in drugs. Although people in other places use drugs, that does not lead to the conclusion that oil/gas executives in Calgary are making drug deals in back alleys. To say so is, in my opinion, absurd.
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http://www.provedplusprobable.com/drugs/ this is pretty absurd IMO
 
My son has his own welding business & is on contract with a large oil company up between Ft. Mac & Ft. Mckay...
He's 'in camp 2 weeks'...out for 1 week....*luckily he can drive home within a few hours* ...Most tho who come from further away in the country are out there for 6 weeks or more...home for 3...
10-12+ hour days...14 days straight *or more if the 6 week stint*....I have heard all of the 'inside' stories about the goings on up there...
The turnover is ridiculous...he says the hardest thing is the monotony & having to be away from home...which is why he doesn't plan on doing it for longer than he can stand it....

He's no choir boy believe me...but he's up there for one reason...making money....BIG money...fast...*really proud of him if I must say*.....& there are so many up there making the same kind of money...and its GONE before you know it....you can guess where in some cases....he just shakes his head about it...doesn't understand the point if you are there to MAKE money....but there ya go....
 
Ok. Here is my attempt. It is not meant to be offensive or hurtful...
Is DG the biological son of AG and DG?

I am not adopted so I can not speak of the emotional trauma and the life long process of understanding why and how, grieving, accepting, wanting, doubting, etc. I think adoption is a beautiful thing and my only close encounter with it is when I found out my father and his high school girlfriend had given their son up for adoption when they were sixteen years old. I had the pleasure of meeting him when I was a teenager. He was an adult when I met him and he loved his adopted parents and they were extremely good to him and he has a wonderful life because of it and that would have only happened if he was with the people who loved and cared for him and were able to provide for him. He is grateful and at peace with it and so am I. But, I am sure growing up he had a lot of questions and doubt and feeling of abandonment and on and on. He was fortunate to work through it and I am sure it is a life-long process.

Some children who are adopted suffer deeply, they never heal, they feel unloved, rejected. I have read profiles of murderers that have been adopted and the link to adoption is a critical identifier to the past and present problems the child or adult encounters. I can research and link this if it is necessary. I am no expert but it could play into part of his motive or built up emotions and pain and suffering. I personally would not see this as an excuse to justify his behaviour or his acts of murder (if he is guilty, of course). It is simply an observation and a question I have raised.

I have not seen photo's of DG's siblings that may show a striking similarity or not in their resemblance of one another. By that I mean, do they look related? Is it obvious or not? The dynamics of the family could be very hard for him to comprehend. If he is the oldest maybe his siblings are the biological, maybe they aren't. Maybe his ADHD eats away at him because his birth parents are responsible for that. It could have a lot to do with his psychological capacity. It could be his desire to be someone else (Matthew Hartley).

What does it have to do with anything? I don't know. I am making an observation/question based on human behaviour and maybe my intuition (for lack of a better way to understand myself why I question this). I wonder if his parents and siblings will ever be able to convince him to do the right thing. If he is adopted and not in a good relationship with his family it could be a great possibility that they will have no impact on him in a positive way. It would be very unfortunate and difficult for his family. I understand that.
 
otto said:
The point was whether oil/gas employees in Calgary are involved in the drug business, not whether oil/gas employees in other parts of the province/country are involved in drugs. Although people in other places use drugs, that does not lead to the conclusion that oil/gas executives in Calgary are making drug deals in back alleys. To say so is, in my opinion, absurd.
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Once again the industry is Alberta,, Calgary, Edmonton, Ded Reer, Kearl, Fort Mac, Lake Chipewan, Athabasca, Hinton, Rainbow Lake (oil spills make pretty rainbow colours) the white powder is as prevalent here as it is there and there and over there. Of course there are oil execs and accountants and technologists and ceos dabbling or going full steam ahead. It's absurd to think otherwise.
 
sillybilly said:
Back in the day, I was an administrator for an Ontario Legal Aid district office. IIRC, X amount was allotted for fees and X amount for disbursements. The total amount authorized was dependent on the nature of the charge (i.e. murder defences had a lot more more $$ thrown at them). Although disbursements would be itemized for submission, it was up to the lawyer to decide what was required in defence of the client.
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This has ab-so-lute-ly nothing whatsoever to do with Sam Elliot.
 
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