VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #15 *ARREST*

[thinksalot]

Could be Tempo was waiting for LE's OK to release that info.

It is easy to proofread the body copy and miss a huge typo in the headline. I'm not excusing it, but it happens. Or it could be Tempo's owner wrote the statement and someone else formatted it and wrote the headline.

 

[zapped]

Would like your opinion as a bartender - do you feel this letter is an attempt to cover for themselves (re: underage alcohol sales)? Do you think the doorman was the source of the info. that they left together? thanks!

Its a definite possibility. Profits from liquor, wine and beer sales, especially in a college town, can be HUGE.

When you factor in food costs, labor cost, equipment cost and all other sundries, a restaurant is lucky if they make a 10 percent profit off of their menu items.

The profit for alcohol is MUCH higher, a 30 dollar bottle of liquor holds roughly 25 ounces of alcohol. 1.5 ounces in a typical mixed drink is equivalent to 16 drinks. At five dollars a drink thats 80 bucks ...so a 50 dollar gross profit per bottle sold ?

That beats 10 percent any day of the week even after you factor in the cost of glassware, the bartenders wage and other bar costs.

It should be noted that Tempo was closed for business this past Monday...perhaps for an employee meeting to get everyones story straight & avoid losing their license/potentially going out of business?

Given the fact the doorman could lose his job....for a number of reasons.... I can see where he would have a high incentive to lie about the underage drinking and then tell the truth about seeing the two of them leaving together.

Its highly cynical I know, but its not his problem after that.

 

[thinksalot]

Odd how the letter states, "she was never inside" AND "was never served." You would think was never inside indicates was never served, no need to state it twice. Methinks someone doth protest too much.


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I think they are just trying to be clear.

 

[justwannahelp]

Once again, we've got a rapist that was allowed to roam the streets. Once again, we have an innocent girl missing and most likely raped and dead at the hands of this rapist allowed to roam the streets. I can't keep up with how many times this has been the case. Help me out here, Foxfire. I know you can list many of them. Mickey Shunick, Holly Bobo, and Polly Klaas are a few that come to mind. Regrettably, I can think of many more cases, but I forget their names because there are so many of them.

Here is a statistic from 1998, so we can assume the numbers aren't spot on for today. Hopefully they are better

"Each year, 14,000 murders, rapes, and child sexual assaults are committed by individuals who have been previously released into our neighborhoods after serving a prison sentence for these crimes. More than 800 people, including, 83 children are murdered. More than 3,500 women are raped. And more than 7,500 children are sexually assaulted or molested. All by previously convicted and released murderers, rapists and child molesters. We can prevent the repeat carnage if we simply have the will to keep these offenders behind bars."

 

[Sjm_qc]

Not directed at you Skigirl. How is it possible the time stamp for a purchase said 1:10 at Tempo and the Tuel's video shows a time stamp of 1:08? I know the two establishments are close together, but how is that humanly possible to walk a block and around the corner, go in, order something, and get it rung up and PAID in 120 seconds?? I don't get it

It's unfortunately true that surveillance video time stamps can be wrong. (Local missing person case here some years ago was initially confused & search set off on a wild goose case because video from 2 establishments (200 yards apart) had conflicting time stamps.)

 

[Foxfire]

The tweet is gone! Did they delete it? Or am I missing it?

http://www.wbal.com/article/110018/2/suspect-captured-but-uva-student-still-missing


UPDATE: A law enforcement source tell CBS News that local law enforcement along with FBI are looking into the possibility that suspect Jesse Matthew Jr. may be connected to other young women who have vanished from the Charlottesville Virginia area over the last five years.
<sniped - read more>

 

[bakerlady]

Welcome! Problem is, there are conflicting stories as to whether or not Hannah was inside Tempo. Also, Tempo keeps referring to her as Heather, which is a really careless error. I can see how owners and staff may not want to say that she was there, but Tempo is not speaking for eyewitnesses and patrons. JMO

It might help their business to have an error.

 

[Perplexed 123]

Tempo is a French styled restaurant. Hannah spoke French.
http://www.tempocville.com/the-backstory/

but it seems she didn't go in and I doubt the bar people actually speak french. she would have been quicker calling a taxi than waiting for him to go in and have a drink. :thinking:

 

[Hadiehl]

Just catching up this morning...whew!

http://www.wdbj7.com/news/local/web...es-first-court-appearance-in-houston/28240404

This exchange at JM's court appearence in TX bothers me. It starts approx. 1:40 into the video, when JM is asked to sign paperwork waiving his right to a court-appointed attorney for both the TX and VA charges:

JM: (indicting paperwork) Is this for Virginia? So, what is the Virginia one again?
Judge: The Virginia warrant is a fugitive from justice warrant, the underlying charge is abduction of a person with intent to defile.
JM: And if I sign this, what does this do?
Judge: It only says that I read you your rights, you're not entering a plea of any kind this morning.

Now, come on. He high-tailed it out of VA, making (what looks like) a desperate attempt for the border, while his name is all over national news in regards to Hannah's case....but he actually has to ask? And he says, "again", so it was explained to him previously. Didn't have to ask about the TX charge a second time. I personally believe he knew exactly why that VA warrant was issued. Have enough respect for Hannah, and for yourself, to not feign ignorance about something so important. Gross.

Secondly, a few pages ago (the link is buried, ahhh!) someone mentioned a search in the Galveston area. While. I don't think that's a bad idea, it also seems unlikely he'd get all the way into TX before dumping anything incriminating. He had...what? Nearly 1,300 miles of road in which to discard anything he wanted.

Now to read this Tempo letter....

 

[thinksalot]

Tempo is a French styled restaurant. Hannah spoke French.
http://www.tempocville.com/the-backstory/

They just stopped there because he had to pay that tab and he might have bought her a drink. I think Tempo's letter explains why they were there only a few minutes. They really weren't there together inside.

 

[LI-Mom]

More than 10 pages behind so this may have been brought up already. I was wondering...

JM loses his football scholarship, his team, gets kicked out of college because of a girl at a party. Is it possible, if he was only giving Hannah a ride, that she mentions she's going to a party (or had been at a party) and he's thinking 'these girls at parties ruin a guy's life'. And as with the assault on the lawyer, he lost control and lashed out at Hannah?

I'm not blaming the girl at college, please don't think that. I'm only trying to look at it from his perspective in an effort to understand why he may have done something to Hannah. I don't know if he owned up to what he did at university, or if in his mind it was her fault that he lost everything he had. Some part of him may resent women after that.

 

[FWIW...]

Right. I guess I'm just saying that Tempo managers, etc. don't have a REAL incentive to lie, as some previous posters were suggesting. Perhaps they were busy that night and didn't see her in there. I would think that the bartender would know, especially if he knew JM, I would think he would notice the pretty blonde girl with him... but, maybe not. Regardless of the conflicting accounts, I just don't think the people who wrote the letter on behalf of Tempo would purposely LIE about what THEY saw, just to try and avoid losing their liquor license.

 

[MrPalomar]

This is my first post but I've been following for most of the case. For all those saying that Tempo is just trying to cover themselves so as to not lose their liquor license... Seriously? If they are found to be lying and impeding this investigation, there would be far more serious consequences than losing their license! My guess is that the witness who said they were inside maybe saw Hannah at the doorway or saw them walking into the restaurant, but that Hannah didn't actually go in.

Would the doorman have actually let Hannah in at that hour if she is underage? The primary reason for having a doorman at bars is to card people prior to going in. We know she supposedly did get turned away at McGrady's.

Of course on the other hand it seems like Tempo would have stated that the doorman denied her entry rather than just seeing her outside.
Of course on the other other hand maybe she knew she wouldn't get in so didn't even attempt to.

In any case the important thing is that the doorman said that they left together.

 

[Dushi]

but it seems she didn't go in and I doubt the bar people actually speak french. she would have been quicker calling a taxi than waiting for him to go in and have a drink. 15mins inside, you'd think if he wanted a drink so badly, he'd have been quicker about it. How'd he know she'd stay waiting outside..for 15 minutes??
:thinking:

In my rush to stay caught up, I have missed the report that stated Jesse was inside Tempo for 15 minutes
Do you have that link? TIA

 

[thebes]

Which may indicate he wasn't acquainted with this sort of thing?

Or that he saw himself on the mall surveillance video and knew it wouldn't be so easy to get away with this one.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Its a definite possibly. Profits from liquor, wine and beer sales, especially in a college town, can be HUGE.

When you factor in food costs, labor cost, equipment cost and all other sundries, a restaurant is lucky if they make a 10 percent profit off of their menu items.

The profit for alcohol is MUCH higher, a 30 dollar bottle of liquor holds roughly 25 ounces of alcohol. 1.5 ounces in a typical mixed drink is equivalent to 16 drinks. At five dollars a drink thats 80 bucks ...so a 50 dollar gross profit per bottle sold ? That beats 10 percent any day of the week even after you factor in the cost of glassware, the bartenders wage and other bar costs.

It should be noted that Tempo was closed for business this past Monday...perhaps for an employee meeting to get everyones story straight & avoid losing their license/potentially going out of business?

I think they close on Mondays...?

 

[TTF14]

Just because it is not legal for Tempo to sell take-out alcohol after midnight doesn't mean it didn't happen. The fact that JM went back inside the bar he'd already been at suggests he was getting something, whether legally or not. Take-out alcohol, drugs from another patron or employee that he knew (was he a regular there?)....

Tempo should say what exactly he purchased, IMO. Let's see the receipt. And, don't they have cameras inside? (Has this been addressed? Sorry if so!).

 

[TravelingCircusof5]

I think all of HG's actions that night seem strange. I am not blaming the victim, but I think it would be helpful to know the reasons behind her strange wanderings. Hopefully her phone will reveal something. The fact that she was hanging out with friends, then left alone to go to a party, then she did not stay at any of the places she was spotted, but kept moving on alone, even refusing the escort of another student. Why?? Two scenarios explain it for me. 1. She was looking for a boy she has a crush on, trying to 'accidentally end up at the same place as him. (In this case, there is no blame or wrong doing, but it would explain the endless wandering as she tried to find him without actually communicating with him.) 2. She was looking for someone to buy drugs from/ 'hook up with' that she did not want her friends to know about. (In that case, the person she was looking for is very important.). I do NOT want to insinuate that she was doing those unsavory things, but her actions don't make sense to me. 3. She had actually been slipped something/ drugged at one of the locations and began wandering because she was confused. (But this seems less likely to explain it all bc she started out by seeming to want to go to these parties alone.)
WHY did she keep walking from place to place alone all night? Why not stay at one of the places and socialize or go home?

 

[Heathery]

While there are a lot of wonderful in the bar and restaurant industry, there are A LOT and I mean A LOT of shady people involved as well. I don't know the people that work at Tempo, but for now I'm taking their press release with a grain of salt.

 

[TTF14]

More than 10 pages behind so this may have been brought up already. I was wondering...

JM loses his football scholarship, his team, gets kicked out of college because of a girl at a party. Is it possible, if he was only giving Hannah a ride, that she mentions she's going to a party (or had been at a party) and he's thinking 'these girls at parties ruin a guy's life'. And as with the assault on the lawyer, he lost control and lashed out at Hannah?

I'm not blaming the girl at college, please don't think that. I'm only trying to look at it from his perspective in an effort to understand why he may have done something to Hannah. I don't know if he owned up to what he did at university, or if in his mind it was her fault that he lost everything he had. Some part of him may resent women after that.

I think the "intent to defile" charge makes the "why" pretty clear. JMO. I don't think this has anything to do with him being angry at college aged girls.