Hannah Graham: The Search - #3

[jamicat]

His reckless driving though was when he was fleeing and he never intended to be caught.

A lot of people particularly ones that are irresponsible that don't have a lot of money have crappy cars, don't keep up on their registration, insurance etc. It doesn't make a person completely and hopelessly stupid.

And maybe he did illegal things in the past that made him not want to deal with the police, the dmv etc. Maybe being around police was stressful for him, so he kept telling himself, "Oh, I'll do it later".

I know I got in trouble a couple of times when I was younger for stupid car stuff and I'm certainly not a stupid person. Actually I was accidentally driving around on an expired license a few years ago- I had no idea it was expired until someone pointed it out when I used it on vacation in a casino. I'd hardly call myself mentally disabled!

Reckless, careless, impulsive. His list was very long and included things like road rage and other things that were brought him into the area of being a criminal. As with a number of things, they were oftnen dropped or pled down.

I do not consider him disabled except in the moral sense.

 

[FindHG]

Weren't most of his legal problems due to laziness and/or a lack of desire to follow the law?

He still had to pass a written test- I mean- the guy can clearly read, comprehend, and memorize things. I don't know why so many people think he is brain dead.

And yet he knew well enough to play his chance as best possible with the law... there was somebody here who claimed to be related to friends of his, who hinted that he had friendly legal advice before he went for the list from the police. Not sure if it was confirmed.

 

[FindHG]

Matt Telham was told by LE tips are nearing 4,000.
http://www.nbc29.com/story/26736641/search-for-hannah-graham-stretches-into-earlysville

 

[Heathery]

Reckless, careless, impulsive. His list was very long and included things like road rage and other things that were brought him into the area of being a criminal. As with a number of things, they were oftnen dropped or pled down.

I do not consider him disabled except in the moral sense.

Exactly and to my knowledge, even most people diagnosed with actual Downs Syndrome know the difference between basic right and wrong.

My DOG is amazing at hiding things he doesn't want his sister to get, but ask me how many times he's bonked his head into the screen door. :0P My "gentle giant" can be a little brain cell lacking, but he still knows the difference between right and wrong.

I just can't wrap my head around all of the excuses and rationalizations made to defend this guy.

 

[FindHG]

Once you put in the location, set the opacity to zero, and select Sat North America in the black layers box. Good quality
http://www.intellicast.com/Local/WxMap.aspx

 

[Doghairrules]

The attorney would tell the family to keep quiet, to reaffirm to JM to keep quiet, that there really isn't that much evidence against him and that he well could be innocent, which is what they would want to hear. They've heard his side of the story, that , yes, he met the girl, hung around her, and then left her alive, and now he's in trouble. Without more evidence they are not going to believe he did harm. They are going to believe that "foolishness" from college is what has everyone thinking he did this,not the facts of the case. I don't think family and close friends ae at the 'end of the road" yet with him. There will have to be more evidence and hopefuly if Hannah is found, there will be.

I agree with this. And I can certainly see his family and friends, who desperately wouldn't want to admit how wrong they were about him, using the recent police/AA men interactions to bolster their faith in him.

The only way I can see him telling them where Hannah is is if they offer him life rather than the death penalty on MH. But there would have to be a pretty strong case on MH that they can show him for that to work either. And who knows if he would actually prefer the death penalty? He sounds pretty miserable with the prison clothing and showering situation.

 

[Hannahmaie]

Or interval.

Or if anybody is missing a camera....some have flash, if JM seen a flash or red light or even heard a small click he would have took the camera

 

[Heathery]

I agree with this. And I can certainly see his family and friends, who desperately wouldn't want to admit how wrong they were about him, using the recent police/AA men interactions to bolster their faith in him.

The only way I can see him telling them where Hannah is is if they offer him life rather than the death penalty on MH. But there would have to be a pretty strong case on MH that they can show him for that to work either. And who knows if he would actually prefer the death penalty? He sounds pretty miserable with the prison clothing and showering situation.

Yes, and I have to think there is a certain amount of guilt and shame. I have a relative that I think is a bit "off"- but without any sort of evidence, what do you do? You certainly can't call the police and say, "Hi, this person hasn't done anything but they give me the creeps and sometimes I think they're a weirdo!" So you push it out of your mind and tell yourself you're being paranoid.

If something ever happened I would come forward- IN PRIVATE-- but I definitely get how people would feel ashamed, and I also think I'm a tad bolder/braver than the average person. I don't have kids though- so I can't imagine how hard it must be to come to terms with your child being a violent criminal.

 

[themom]

I agree with this. And I can certainly see his family and friends, who desperately wouldn't want to admit how wrong they were about him, using the recent police/AA men interactions to bolster their faith in him.

The only way I can see him telling them where Hannah is is if they offer him life rather than the death penalty on MH. But there would have to be a pretty strong case on MH that they can show him for that to work either. And who knows if he would actually prefer the death penalty? He sounds pretty miserable with the prison clothing and showering situation.

Is it possible to try him on MH and the Fairfax rape alone at this point, or.do we not have enough information to know what LE can or can't do with those cases? If they do in fact have DNA, wouldn't that be enough?

 

[Foxfire]

Hannah is on the cover of People:

http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20856625_20860211,00.html

Scroll down...there are two covers for this issue

HG Cover of People
http://www.people.com/article/hannah-graham-mother-video-plea

 

[jamicat]

I want to make it clear that I DO NOT think that JM's DMV and other violations are signs of him being a criminal. I point them out because they are indicators of how he tends to do things. He's careless, a scoff law. Doesn't take care of things, impulsive. I know a lot of people like that. I have some kids like that. Car looks like a dumpster, can't keep with paperwork, bills late in being paid. I bring this up about JM because it is an indicator of how he does things. I'd hoped that he'd have done the same in hiding Hannah's body, and that LE would find her soon, along with other evidence to put a good solid case against him.

But it appears that the Charlottesville terrain is on the side of someone who wants to hide something. Am still hoping Hannah is found.

 

[jamicat]

Yes, and I have to think there is a certain amount of guilt and shame. I have a relative that I think is a bit "off"- but without any sort of evidence, what do you do? You certainly can't call the police and say, "Hi, this person hasn't done anything but they give me the creeps and sometimes I think they're a weirdo!" So you push it out of your mind and tell yourself you're being paranoid.

If something ever happened I would come forward- IN PRIVATE-- but I definitely get how people would feel ashamed, and I also think I'm a tad bolder/braver than the average person. I don't have kids though- so I can't imagine how hard it must be to come to terms with your child being a violent criminal.

Some people are better off in jail. Safer for them and others. They just have impulses and reactions, do things that are to the detriment to everyone. Very sad for the families and for those who love and care for such people. But that's jail is the best place for them. I think JM is one of such people. Even if the evidence turns out to be insufficient to get a guilty verdict for him, I think it's highly likely that he's one dangerous dude, and everyone, his family, his friends, the community, anyone including himself are better off without him being a large. Clearly he does not learn from experience, does not respect boundaries, takes advantage of those disabled. Unless something really big comes up, it looks like he's been a predator for a while. I hope that he is put away so everyone is safer.

 

[goldenbear]

I want to make it clear that I DO NOT think that JM's DMV and other violations are signs of him being a criminal. I point them out because they are indicators of how he tends to do things. He's careless, a scoff law. Doesn't take care of things, impulsive. I know a lot of people like that. I have some kids like that. Car looks like a dumpster, can't keep with paperwork, bills late in being paid. I bring this up about JM because it is an indicator of how he does things. I'd hoped that he'd have done the same in hiding Hannah's body, and that LE would find her soon, along with other evidence to put a good solid case against him.

But it appears that the Charlottesville terrain is on the side of someone who wants to hide something. Am still hoping Hannah is found.

It took 3+ years to find Holly Bobo it may take a little time. And if she is buried there will be some remains left.

 

[Bittiness39]

I just feel like reading everyone's thoughts and opinions that apparently people are just blindsided by this guy. I would doubt he is being framed...highly. Two rape allegations dismissed. It computes to a guy who has violent rage for girls. Nevermind the attorney assaul in his cat. I simply do not understand the defense on this victim's forum for him. Have none of the posters ever heard of Derrick Todd Lee? Have none of the posters heard of the two snipers who took out people for no reason?

 

[Nosy]

Several people have mentioned storage lockers which would make sense. Can they bring dogs to storage facilities in cville?

 

[lindamichelle1]

yeah. i just find it funny that a man who was dumb enough to be spotted with the victim in an area with tons of surveillance cameras could hide her well. i guess he is familiar with the natural surroundings but i think understanding the surroundings from a hiding a human body perspective is still somewhat complex. there are a lot of factors to consider

It could be as simple as dumb luck, she could be somewhere thats just hard to find or something like Morgan where she was in a field not that well hidden but it was just never searched until she was found. The only other thing i can think of is he has put her somewhere that he already has used and because that person was never found he figures its a good spot.

 

[ksj3]

I'm wondering if they shouldn't be educating the public more as to what they actually should be looking for at this point. The only way she's alive is if she's being cared for (by someone else) indoors somewhere. The other option is to be looking for disturbed earth, rock piles, brush piles, etc. If people are looking for colors (clothing and phone case) or a body, they'll be blind to the other things they might see and ignore.

 

[Bittiness39]

It could be as simple as dumb luck, she could be somewhere thats just hard to find or something like Morgan where she was in a field not that well hidden but it was just never searched until she was found. The only other thing i can think of is he has put her somewhere that he already has used and because that person was never found he figures its a good spot.

I hope that it is the case. But all signs point to she is not alive.

 

[Foxfire]

I agree with this. And I can certainly see his family and friends, who desperately wouldn't want to admit how wrong they were about him, using the recent police/AA men interactions to bolster their faith in him.

The only way I can see him telling them where Hannah is is if they offer him life rather than the death penalty on MH. But there would have to be a pretty strong case on MH that they can show him for that to work either. And who knows if he would actually prefer the death penalty? He sounds pretty miserable with the prison clothing and showering situation.

There are many reasons that Sexual Predators/Serial Killers refuse to give up their victim's remains locations once they're caught other than to escape legal consequences.. The primary reason is that they consider their innocent victims as their own personal property; their belongings, assets. Many sexual predators/SKs will even commit suicide to prevent having to give up their victims locations. To do so is to give up their control; analogous to a predator's bankruptcy. jmo



Couple of examples;

http://www.explorenorth.com/library/weekly/more/bl-bunday.htm
The first successful use of psychological profiling of killers in Alaska occurred when it allowed police to narrow their search for the murderer of 5 Fairbanks-area women between 1979 and 1981.
AK - Serving at Eielson Air Force Base in Fairbanks, serial killer Thomas Richard Bunday was not able to elude police for long. He had been transferred to Wichita Falls, Texas, but an hour after a warrant for his arrest had been issued, he took the coward's way out and committed suicide by plowing his motorcycle head-on into a truck.
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Photos: Evidence a serial killer left behind
http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/08/27/israel-keyes-serial-killer-murder-photos-evidence
AK - serial killer Israel Keyes confessed to killing three people before his suicide in December 2012. The FBI believes he committed multiple kidnappings and murders across the country between 2001 and March 2012. In an attempt to identify additional victims, the FBI is asking anyone with information regarding Keyes to call the tipline at 1-800-CALL-FBI.
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WA - GARY RIDGWAY - Green River Serial Killer
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?65576-WA-GARY-RIDGWAY-Green-River-Serial-Killer/page2&p=8693318%22#post8693318"
Although Green River SK Gary Ridgeway, did not commit suicide, he admitted to returning to the bodies of about ten of the women having post mortem sex, until the flies came.. On one occasion his son waited in the truck only 30 feet away. When asked by the detective if his son remembered and threatened to tell, if he would have killed him? Gary Ridgeway, responded, “No….I might have”…. When asked how he felt when his first victim’s remains were found. Ridgeway said that he felt that they were taking something that belonged to him…

 

[Bittiness39]

For a victim's forum I just cannot understand. The defense of this guy.