Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #19

Status
Not open for further replies.

Sillybilly

Administrator
Staff member
Administrator
Joined
May 9, 2009
Messages
38,809
Reaction score
115,279
BBM.
Nothing that would be considered a forest. There may be a few trees/bushes near the Elbow River, though. But not enough to conceal a body or bodies.
The crime scene is pretty close to the downtown area.

Anyone who is more local can probably give better insight than me.
I don't live in Calgary, but I do have general knowledge about the city.

Google streetview shows this at the end of their street (about 4 houses down from the Liknes' home):



It's the Elbow River Pathway (iirc) that runs alongside the river.
 
REVISED TIMELINE DATED SEPTEMBER 21, 2015


SUMMARY OF ADDITIONS/CORRECTIONS INCLUDED IN THIS REVISION (in blue font):

1974 October 29, AL (co-inventor, LCK) filed an application for a patent for “Apparatus for incinerating combustible wastes”. Issued January 13, 1976 (https://www.legionpatent.com/patents/3932111/)

2007 According to family, AL had not seen DG since this year

2008 September 21 Nathan Kenneth O’Brien born

August 5 Reported in MSM as confirmed by CPS that CPS has investigators in Mexico in relation to this case. CBC reporter says LE is searching one specific property (address and further details unknown at this time)

August 5 It is reported that charges against DG related to the identity theft (and bank card?) have been stayed.

Aug 14 DG in court (via CCTV). Defence says still awaiting disclosure. Matter put over to September 17

Sept 4 Memorial for Nathan Kenneth O'Brien held at Westside Kings Church, 3939 - 69 Street SW

September 17 DG in court (in person) for his fourth appearance. His lawyer Kim Ross says defence has received the bulk of disclosure but more expected by late November / early December

September 27 Celebration of Life service to be held for Kathy and Alvin at First Alliance Church at 10:00 am

December DG scheduled for a fifth court appearance

2015 May 19 – 29 Preliminary hearing scheduled



REVISED TIMELINE:

1948 Alvin Cecil Liknes born June 22 (Alvin, AL, ACL), twin bro of AJL

1960 Douglas Robert Garland born Jan 27 1960 (DG, Douglas Garland, aka Matthew Hartley, Matthew Kemper Hartley, Douglas John Garland)

1961 Kathryn Faye Prevost born (Kathryn Liknes, Kathryn, KL, KFL)

1973 DG’s parents bought the Airdrie property, 273149 RR 291, Airdrie, AB

1974 October 29, AL (co-inventor, LCK) filed an application for a patent for “Apparatus for incinerating combustible wastes”. Issued January 13, 1976 (https://www.legionpatent.com/patents/3932111/)

1980s Alvin involved in civil lawsuit(s) in 80s and 90s

1980s exact dates unknown, DG studied science at the Univ of Alberta with plans to become a doctor. He left school without finishing a degree (apparently caught cheating, subsequently claimed he had a nervous breakdown)

1980 DG applied for his own SIN in his own name

1980 October 29 Head-on collision 6 km southeast of Cardston, AB claimed the lives of Matthew Kemper Hartley and his sister Jill Lorene Hartley

1988 charge of prohibited weapon dismissed against DG

1989 assault charge stayed against DG

1989 approx year Alvin and Kathryn married (Alvin previously m. to SB)

1990s Alvin involved in civil lawsuit(s) in 80s and 90s

1992 October 23 drug raid at Garland farm. LE found beakers, Bunsen burners and boxes of chemicals used in the manufacture of meth. Evidence was also located at a rented facility in Crossfield, AB. DG disappeared for 7 years after the raid and assumed the identity of Matthew Kemper Hartley.

1992 October 23 – charges listed in BC court registry under file #42183-1-H (against Douglas ROBERT Garland):

FDA - 39(1) Traffic in a controlled drug Commit GARLAND, DOUGLAS Robert
CCC - 353(1)(b) possessing automobile master key Commit GARLAND, DOUGLAS Robert
CCC - 351(1) Possess break-in instrument Commit GARLAND, DOUGLAS Robert
CCC - 351(1) Possess break-in instrument Commit GARLAND, DOUGLAS Robert
CCC - 351(1) Possess break-in instrument Commit GARLAND, DOUGLAS Robert
CCC - 354 Possession of property obtained by crime Commit GARLAND, DOUGLAS Robert
CCC - 90(1) Possession of a prohibited weapon Commit GARLAND, DOUGLAS Robert

1992 November 20 – charges listed in BC court registry under file #42183-1-H (against Douglas ROBERT Garland):

CCC - 355(a) PSP - Over $1,000 Commit GARLAND, DOUGLAS Robert
CCC - 355(b) PSP - Under $1,000 Commit GARLAND, DOUGLAS Robert

1992 DG commenced working at Can Test chemical testing lab in Vancouver where he went on to supervise 30 chemists and technicians. At the same time he was also a lab auditor for the BC government, checking for quality assurance at various testing facilities. (Unclear if this last sentence pertains to the 1992-1997 job or the subsequent job)

1993 DG applied for and received a SIN in the name of Matthew Hartley. Also applied for a driver's license
under the name Matthew Hartley and conducted all his activities in Vancouver under the name Matthew Hartley

1994 AL’s company ACL Resources Ltd went bankrupt after lending a large amount of money to Cherhill Resources. As a majority owner of Cherhill Resources, AL sold a Vancouver Island property for $32,000 to prop up the company. AL was sued (date unknown) by Harris N. Hanson claiming “material misrepresentations” by AL that resulted in Hanson advancing $25,000 to Cherhill Resources. Cherhill went bankrupt and ACL Resources was unable to pay Revenue Canada. (Dates unknown .. AL was also employed by and offered options to purchase shares in Granisko Resources Inc., which also subsequently went bankrupt.)

1997 DG finished working at Can Test after nervous breakdown

1998 October, DG arrested in Richmond BC in connection with a stolen tractor trailer unit

1998 October 02 – charges listed in BC court registry under file #41250-2-C (against Douglas JOHN Garland, found by searching under the alias Matthew Hartley):

CCC - 355(a) PSP Over $5,000 Commit GARLAND, Douglas JOHN Richmond BC
CCC - 129(a) wilfully resisting or obstructing a peace officer Commit GARLAND, Douglas JOHN Richmond BC

1999 May 31, DG arrested in Vancouver BC; had been working as a chemical mixer at the BC Institute of Technology (BCIT) under the name of deceased Matthew Kemper Hartley. Charges of impersonation, trafficking in a controlled substance, theft over $5,000, possession of break-in instruments, possession of property obtained by crime over $5,000 and obstructing a police officer (weapons charge dismissed?).

2000 Alvin was the respondent in 2 civil law suits

2000 DG was released between June 19, 2000 and October 2000 after serving 1/6 of a 39 month sentence

2000 DG’s company Ranchland Equipment Ltd was established (according to DG’s entry on wikiparts and chemnet sites, but can’t find in Alberta’s registry of companies)

2000 October 17 DG’s company P2 Solutions Ltd incorporated using address 23-27-29 W4M

2001 March 31 sometime prior to this date AL and AJL purchased property in Yellowhead County (Evansburg?)

2001 June 14 AL and Northern Pressure Systems Inc (assignee) filed for a grant for “Method and apparatus for removing water from well bore of gas wells to permit efficient production of gas”. Pump was built but never proved “economically viable”. Issued October 7, 2003 (http://patents.justia.com/inventor/alvin-liknes)

2004 August 26 AL filed an application for a patent for “Method and pump apparatus for removing liquids from wells”. Issued March 2, 2006 (http://patents.justia.com/inventor/alvin-liknes)

2004 October 7 AL filed an application for a patent for “Method and apparatus for removing liquids from wells”. Issued March 2, 2006 (http://patents.justia.com/inventor/alvin-liknes)

2005 March, Calgary, AB, lawsuit DG v. Ministry of National Revenue, DG represented himself and won an appeal wrt whether his employment at Can Test was insurable and pensionable employment

2006 January 2, Alvin Liknes’ daughter, EAL shot by ex-common-law husband, 61 yo Fernando Chora in Okotoks, AB. Chora (represented by Calgary lawyer, Adriano Iovinelli) was acquitted of assault, but found guilty of fleeing the scene and 2 weapons charges and sentenced to 4 years with credit for time served. During the trial, Chora told the judge that he had provided EAL with a great deal of money because of a criminal lifestyle. FC said he still carried a gun because he had enemies who may want to hurt him. He said he left that lifestyle behind when he moved out of his Kamloops BC home with EAL and moved to Vulcan AB

2006 October 19 AL’s company AKF Holdings Inc incorporated

2007 According to family, AL had not seen DG since this year

2008 Northern Pressure Systems went dormant when natural gas prices tanked.

2008 AL’s company Blue Sky Oil and Gas Corp, involved with natural gas production, was registered in Nevada. Filings indicate Blue Sky was in merger discussions with a Florida company called Whitemark Homes Inc. As a result of the housing crash, Whitemark had proposed to take up resource development

2008 September 21 Nathan Kenneth O’Brien born

2008 September 22 AL filed application for patent for “Apparatus for pumping fluids from a well”. Issued March 25 2010 (http://patents.justia.com/inventor/alvin-liknes)

2009 DG's charged with "failure to yield to a pedestrian" and subsequent fine of $575

2009 August 24, JO (nee JP-L) and RO married

2010 Vecto Resources dissolved. Vecto had been working on pump that could keep water out of oil and gas wells, however the invention didn’t work out, and the plan was dropped.

2011 July 20, AL filed application for patent for “Gas Powered Sub Surface Pump Drive System”. Issued January 24, 2013 (http://patents.justia.com/inventor/alvin-liknes). No mention of DG in this or any of the preceding patent applications.

2012 KL ceased being a licenced realtor (as per Real Estate Council of Alberta in 2014 who said she had not been practising for two years)

2012 KL declared personal bankruptcy

2012 A Sarasota Florida-area businessmen involved with the Whitemark deal was a real estate developer with close ties to a man who was sentenced in 2012 to 3 yrs in prison for masterminding a large house-flipping fraud

2013 AL filed another patent (no mention of DG)

2013 DG ran his chemical manufacturing company, P2 Solutions Ltd until sometime this year

2013 Aug 15 DG’s company Ranchland Equipment Ltd was still operating (advertising on the internet to purchase zinc phosphide; using address of #3, Site 12, Airdrie, Alberta T4B 2A4)

2013 October, Alvin's son AL, said he last saw DG at his in-laws at Thanksgiving and said DG seemed a bit of a loner and didn't speak to him that much

2013 December 5, title documents show the Liknes home was sold to a Calgary lawyer for $705,000. AL and KL continue to live in the home.

2014

2014 January FC released from prison

2014 KL was involved in social media marketing, offering Search Engine Optimization services and website templates for businesses; also direct marketing for Nucerity (skincare products)

June 11 estate sale ads started being placed in kijiji (ads placed June 11 to June 24)

June 25 Winter Petroleum employees officially resigned on this date

June 27 Friday, start of estate sale that was advertised as “SALE June 27, 28, 29th - FRIDAY 2PM-7PM, SATURDAY 8:30-4:00, SUNDAY 8:30-4:00”

June 29 Winter Petroleum premises cleaned out

June 29 locals report that the area near Parkhill neighbourhood had only a “brief spitting” of rain

June 29 Sunday, JO attends estate sale at Liknes home with NO and his younger brother

June 29 neighbour reports seeing AL playing in the park with NO around noon (elsewhere said NO in park and AL watching from by the garage in the back laneway)

June 29 10:00pm approx. time JO leaves with the youngest boy and NO stays with AL and KL for a sleepover

June 30 5:25am sunrise in Calgary

June 30 10:00am Monday, JO returns to the Liknes house to pick up NO and nobody is at the home. She notifies LE

June 30 10:00am Sometime in the morning after LE arrived, AL’s brother CL arrived at the home after having phoned and receiving no answer to his call(s?)

June 30 5:15pm MT (mountain time) Amber Alert is issued

July 1 Tuesday, AL and KL were to vacate their home at 123 38a Av SW, Calgary (to be verified whether July 1 or July 31)

July 1, 11:00 am Investigators say they have no "significant leads" about the whereabouts of the missing family. Also that evidence at the Liknes home indicates the three family members left the residence against their will. LE ask anyone who attended the estate sale to contact them and that LE will be at Parkhill Community Centre on July 3 to meet with them. People are being asked to bring photos of what they bought to help investigators catalogue what was purchased and what remains in the house.

July 1 2014 Police contacted 3 landfills asking for trash to be segregated

July 1 RO sends an email late today to CTV Calgary saying that a reward will be announced Wednesday through CPS

July 2 Wednesday, sometime after midnite and before morning, a neighbour of the Garlands is awake during the night and sees a light on in the greenhouse at the Garland farm. He says that is unusual.

July 2 Neighbours notice that someone at the Garland property has been burning most of the day (elsewhere it said 2 days?)

July 2 3:00pm MT (mountain time) JO and RO make public plea for the return of their son. LE say they have decided not to offer a cash reward at this time. LE also says the grandparents are not considered suspects.

July 3 of approx. 200 people who attended sale, 80+ attended Parkhill Community Hall

July 3 LE remove AL’s truck from the driveway

July 4 LE update says there was a violent struggle inside the Liknes home. They are searching for a green Ford F150 made in the late 1980s or early 1990s that was seen driving around the neighbourhood several times the night of the disappearance

July 4 LE arrived at the Airdrie farm in the evening; a green truck matching the one LE is seeking is removed from the scene and POI DG is taken into custody, charged with possession of ID in the name of Matthew Hartley and a stolen bank card.

July 5 Search takes place around the Liknes’ home and the park.

July 6 LE continue search at farm but DG is released from custody. LE says he remains a POI

July 7 DG makes first court appearance and will be back in court Wednesday, July 9

July 7 It is announced that POI has link to Liknes family and has criminal past. (It becomes known that DG’s sister is in a CIL relationship with AL’s son AL)

July 7 Pastor Dave Pollard of Airdrie United Church says DG’s parents are doing as well as can be expected under the circumstances

July 8 It is said that detectives have interviewed staff of AL’s company that went bankrupt weeks before the family’s disappearance

July 9 DG made second court appearance. Will return to court Friday July 11 when he could be released on conditions, including that he provide an address where he will be staying

July 9 LE reveal that DG and AL had money dealings that soured and there is "bad blood" related to money between the two. They are not aware of the specifics

July 9 LE ask property owners in rural areas outside Calgary to search their land for anything suspicious

July 10 LE commenced search of Spyhill landfill; bags of (potential?) evidence removed by LE

July 10 LE start search of second landfill site at 17th and 68th Street today

July 10 RCMP Explosives disposal unit was dispatched to the Garland property in Airdrie today

July 10 In LE presser today, they say they know who was hurt in the home

July 10 Hundreds of people attend vigil held for the family

July 11 DG released from custody on $750 bail with the following terms: keep the peace and be of good behaviour; must stay in province (cannot leave Alberta without permission), surrender passport within 24 hours of release, to report 3 days a week, first report to be July 15, must provide land line phone # if available to supervisor, must be home between the hours of 9 pm and 7 am each day, he is to reside at transitional housing - hotel, motel, Mustard Seed, Drop-In Centre, Salvation Army Centre of Hope, or homeless shelter, be back in court Aug. 6 at case management office, not possess ID other than his own. DG asks judge "I live on a farm, sometimes working past 9 o'clock, would residence be on the farm itself?" The judge reminds him he won't be going to the farm but to some form of transitional housing.

July 11 LE conclude search at southeast Calgary landfill and focus their efforts on an acreage north of the city and the Spyhill Landfill site. Also have a tactical unit at the Airdrie acreage to deal with dangerous and flammable chemicals that were found on the property. Asking people/businesses/oil companies in the Airdrie and Parkhill/Stanley Park areas to check their properties for absolutely anything out of the ordinary.

July 11 Members of Liknes family confirm in the media that beef between AL and DG was over patent filed years ago by AL; family says it was AL's invention

July 13 The Liknes home was released as a crime scene

July 13 time unknown, homicide detectives conclude enough evidence to determine all 3 family members murdered

July 14 1:30 am DG re-arrested in the early morning hours near his parents’ farm in Airdrie.

July 14 1:00 pm LE holds presser to advise that an arrest has been made and that two charges of first-degree murder (AL andKL) and one charge of second-degree murder (NO) are pending in the case. Police did not confirm the name of the suspect, but family has told media that Douglas Garland is the person. LE expect charges to be laid later today.

July 14 DG was formally charged late tonite with 2 counts of first degree murder related to Alvin and Kathryn Liknes, and 1 count of second degree with regard to Nathan O’Brien. His next court appearance is scheduled for Wednesday, July 16

July 16 Second court appearance for DG. Case adjourned to Aug. 14, defence (Kim Ross) awaiting disclosure

July 17 LE press release says they have a 30 day search plan in place that is intelligence driven and cannot be shared outside of law enforcement

July 24 LE say they are looking at possible connection of DG to other violent crimes, specifically the death of 32 y.o. Helena Mihaljevic. Helena’s body was found in 2007 just off RR 280 and Symons Valley Road. She had disappeared the previous year.

July 31 AL and KL were to vacate their home (to be verified whether July 31 or July 1 2014)

August 5 Reported in MSM as confirmed by CPS that CPS has investigators in Mexico in relation to this case. CBC reporter says LE is searching one specific property (address and further details unknown at this time)

August 5 It is reported that charges against DG related to the identity theft (and bank card?) have been stayed.

Aug 14 DG in court (via CCTV). Defence says still awaiting disclosure. Matter put over to September 17

Sept 4 Memorial for Nathan Kenneth O'Brien held at Westside Kings Church, 3939 - 69 Street SW

September 17 DG in court (in person) for his fourth appearance. His lawyer Kim Ross says defence has received the bulk of disclosure but more expected by late November / early December

September 27 Celebration of Life service to be held for Kathy and Alvin at First Alliance Church at 10:00 am

December DG scheduled for a fifth court appearance

2015 May 19 – 29 Preliminary hearing scheduled
 
You know what sucks?

I got home from a road trip a few hours ago but didn't check my phone till about a minute ago (I'm not of the tethered to my phone crowd). Here's the sucky bit. A friend from another forum is in town for a meet & greet.
So?

I can't make it due the distance and my sleepiness.

So?

I wanted to talk to him about what it was like to deal with DG when DG was at the chemical testing company. I've never asked him in email as he's not an emaily person and would have liked to talk about DG in person with him.

grrrrufff!
 
My appologies, I was rushed today and should have referred to the BBM as your example and not speculation. Personally, I do not think LE has sufficient blood evidence that they were able to base the confirmation of death on. I know the whole rigmarole of not releasing details but in many past cases, deaths are stated and confirmed and if DNA results point to this it is a very simple statement that would not have jeopardized anything. If LE did not have the results back at the time of the press conference than obviously that was not applied to their conclusion. I also go back to paper trails and inactivity of bank accounts as grounds for confirming a person dead. I may be textbook cognitive dissonance but until I see a clearer picture I doubt the evidence is there. If LE would have simply said they have confirmed DNA evidence that all 3 victims have died I would believe that evidence.

So it is the omission of the words "DNA evidence" that is hanging you up?

The way "I" see it... The Chief of Police would not have gone on record as definitively stating that the three victims were dead, if there WASN'T sufficient DNA evidence. In order for the declaration of death to be solely based on bank inactivity, they would have needed more than four days to make that determination.
 
So it is the omission of the words "DNA evidence" that is hanging you up?

The way "I" see it... The Chief of Police would not have gone on record as definitively stating that the three victims were dead, if there WASN'T sufficient DNA evidence. In order for the declaration of death to be solely based on bank inactivity, they would have needed more than four days to make that determination.

They were declared dead after 2 weeks of bank inactivity. How does 4 days fit in here? CH made a statement and was asked questions that he replied quite vaguely yet reiterated certain statements over again. A more clear statement to include the words " DNA Evidence" would have for me and for many others (JMO) been more conclusive and understood. I interpret it differently, in that LE had to make sure to not say "DNA Evidence". Theories aside I just do not think they have the expected evidence. I think it is more complex.
 
You know what sucks?

I got home from a road trip a few hours ago but didn't check my phone till about a minute ago (I'm not of the tethered to my phone crowd). Here's the sucky bit. A friend from another forum is in town for a meet & greet.
So?

I can't make it due the distance and my sleepiness.

So?

I wanted to talk to him about what it was like to deal with DG when DG was at the chemical testing company. I've never asked him in email as he's not an emaily person and would have liked to talk about DG in person with him.

grrrrufff!

Shucks! That would have been a great glimpse of character. Maybe tomorrow?
 
Shucks! That would have been a great glimpse of character. Maybe tomorrow?
no, he heads back to edmonchuck and I'm back to work. I could phone him but as mentioned above, I'm not a phone'y guy (not a catcher in the rye reference). just to get a feeling of what he may have been like even in a work related scope would be interesting. next month the meet & greet is in dedmonton, so i'll wait till then.
 
I don't facebook, so I was wondering if KL or another L or O'b mentioned the estate sale on FB? can anyone tell me this?
 
You know what sucks?

I got home from a road trip a few hours ago but didn't check my phone till about a minute ago (I'm not of the tethered to my phone crowd). Here's the sucky bit. A friend from another forum is in town for a meet & greet.
So?

I can't make it due the distance and my sleepiness.

So?

I wanted to talk to him about what it was like to deal with DG when DG was at the chemical testing company. I've never asked him in email as he's not an emaily person and would have liked to talk about DG in person with him.

grrrrufff!

I'd like to be a fly on the wall during that convo, that's a pretty good scoop Stan!
 
I don't facebook, so I was wondering if KL or another L or O'b mentioned the estate sale on FB? can anyone tell me this?

Not that I can see on KL. Her (public) news feed bumps from March 17 to May 27 where the Puzzle game posts start. The Puzzles continue up to July 24th.
 
why wouldn't she put the estate sale on fb? did any other family member, or her friend ch in canmore post it?

it relates to something else for me. i'll explain later. and thanks to anyone who can find out for me.
 
why wouldn't she put the estate sale on fb? did any other family member, or her friend ch in canmore post it?

it relates to something else for me. i'll explain later. and thanks to anyone who can find out for me.

Maybe they didn't want to bargain with family and friends? CH's FB is secure she has one photo posted from 2012.
 
why wouldn't she put the estate sale on fb? did any other family member, or her friend ch in canmore post it?

it relates to something else for me. i'll explain later. and thanks to anyone who can find out for me.

We (the public, who aren't friends with KL) should keep in mind, we might not being seeing everything she posts on her FB.

She might've posted it and we just can't see it. FB has gotten ridiculously tricky and sneaky with privacy settings. When you think some posts are private they're not and vice versa.

I have my settings rigged so only certain friends of mine see photos of my child, and I know other people who don't know how to use the settings and their children's photos are all public (so anyone on FB can see, scary!). The posts I see of KL's seem non-personal, promotional and generic, so she might've changed privacy setting for more personal posts. Could be a reason...
 
why? what harm would have it done?

Maybe they felt it could be too distracting to socialize with friends. Maybe if they knew everyone attending they would feel badly taking money from them in exchange for used furniture. I do wonder who else in the circle of friends and family were aware of it. My parents would have made me and my siblings assist with the attendees and help move out furniture or even offer to deliver to someone who may have not had a mode of transportation.
 
We (the public, who aren't friends with KL) should keep in mind, we might not being seeing everything she posts on her FB.

She might've posted it and we just can't see it. FB has gotten ridiculously tricky and sneaky with privacy settings. When you think some posts are private they're not and vice versa.

I have my settings rigged so only certain friends of mine see photos of my child, and I know other people who don't know how to use the settings and their children's photos are all public (so anyone on FB can see, scary!). The posts I see of KL's seem non-personal, promotional and generic, so she might've changed privacy setting for more personal posts. Could be a reason...

Very good point. If it was advertised on FB LE would have had a larger pool of people to verify if they attended. It was not mentioned as part of the advertising on MSM.

Another thought about secure FB accts. is that most would secure the "friends" list as well. KL has an open list in that regard.
 
Cognitive dissonance indeed!

I don't know how many ways I can say it, but no one has said the victims are alive, and no one has said LE is incompetent. I ask for links, proof... anything... and it never comes... just the insistence that somebody somewhere said it.

Sleuthing the possibilities is just that. Sleuthing the possibilities... it is no different than what a judge or jury may have to consider if this goes to trial. Is there a reasonable doubt one or more of the victims could be alive... is there a reasonable doubt DG is the perp, or did he have an accomplice, or was he involved at all...

I sense cognitive dissonance alright, mixed with a healthy dose of superiority complex. Something as simple as bringing up examples of previous faked deaths is not an indictment of LE or the victims... it's a simple discussion tool and a chance to educate yourself on the subject.

I thought the whole discussion was pretty darned interesting... and shockingly... I don't think the victims are alive, or that LE is incompetent. I'm also, however, open to the possibly that I could be completely wrong.
 
Cognitive dissonance indeed!

I don't know how many ways I can say it, but no one has said the victims are alive, and no one has said LE is incompetent. I ask for links, proof... anything... and it never comes... just the insistence that somebody somewhere said it.
<rsbm>

To name a few examples of discussion (too numerous to link, but paraphrased here):

Escaping to Mexico
They&#8217;re not in Disneyland but in Panama
Travelling with new passports and leaving their old ones at home
Saving up quantities of blood to dump to confuse the investigation
Taking NO because it is so ugly, nobody would believe it
Having a letter of permission to take NO across the border
Amber Alert was issued to deflect from them being in a witness protection program

https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=ssl#q=liknes+faked+site:www.websleuths.com&start=30

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...June-2014-*ARREST*-17&p=11057059#post11057059

etc ..

If those aren't suggestions that relate to the family possibly being alive, I don't know how else to interpret them.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
83
Guests online
3,332
Total visitors
3,415

Forum statistics

Threads
592,116
Messages
17,963,478
Members
228,687
Latest member
Pabo1998
Back
Top