Luka Magotta AKA Eric Newman Trial, Week beginning Oct 27, 2014 - Trial Thread #3

[Kamille]

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 2m2 minutes ago
Procès #Magnotta reprend. Suite du contre-interrogatoire du psychiatre Joel Watts par le procureur de la Couronne, Louis Bouthillier.

Translation: #Magnotta resumes. Continuing the cross examination of psychiatrist Joel Watts by Crown, Louis Bouthillier

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 5m5 minutes ago
Mère de #Magnotta dit avoir cru que son fils était l'auteur de vidéos de chats tués. A dit à Watts qu'il avait imputé ça à un certain Jack

Translation: Magnotta's mother believed that he was the author of the cat videos. Watts said he attributed to a "Jack"

christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins · 6m6 minutes ago
#Magnotta a envoyé une carte de Fête des mères à sa mère avec 20$ dedans, en mai 2013, un an après le meurtre de Lin Jun.

Translation: #Magnotta sent a Mother's Day card to his mother with $20 in it May 2013, a year after the murder of Lin Jun .

christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins · 2m2 minutes ago
Manny était un client de #Magnotta au départ. Il ne respectait pas le safe word, en matière sado maso.

Translation: Manny was a client of #Magnotta out. He did not respect the safe word , in BDSM .

Robin Edgar ‏@RobinEdgar · 1m1 minute ago
Crown prosecutor Louis Bouthiliier asks Dr. Joel Watts, "Does that mean #Magnotta was into #SadoMasochism" re. his use of term #SafeWord.

christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins · 1m1 minute ago
Couronne dit que première fois que #Magnotta sort nuit du 24 mai, il revient avec sac plastique. Qu'est-ce qu'il y avait ds ce sac?

Translation: Crown said that first time #Magnotta went out on the night of May 24, he returned with a plastic bag. What was in this bag?

christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins · 2m2 minutes ago
Le psychiatre Watts n'a pas demandé à #Magnotta. C'était un petit sac. Lin était encore en vie à ce moment?

Translation: The psychiatrist Watts did not ask #Magnotta . It was a small bag. Lin was still alive at that time?

christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins · 2m2 minutes ago
Le psych Watts n'en est pas certain, si Lin Jun était encore en vie, quand #Magnotta est sorti la nuit du 25 mai et revenu avec sac.

Translation: Watts is not sure if Lin Jun was still alive when #Magnotta went out the night of May 25 and returned with the bag

christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins · 3m3 minutes ago
On n'a pas le déroulement des événements exact, signale Dr Watts. #Magnotta

Translation: We have no exact sequence of events notes Dr Watts.

christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins · 3m3 minutes ago
#Magnotta était ds état psychotique la nuit du 25 mai, dit le Dr Watts. Couronne veut savoir où il a été, mais Dr Watts n'a pas demandé.

Translation: #Magnotta was in a psychotic state on the night of May 25, said Dr. Watts. Crown wants to know where he was, but did Dr. Watts did not ask.

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 2m2 minutes ago
On the saw, #Magnotta told Watts he had bought it while living at previous apartment,can't remember why bought it, can't remember using it.

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 54s54 seconds ago
Watts asked why #Magnotta had saw in hand in video with unidentified Columbian man. Magnotta said he never thought of killing or hurting him

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 36s36 seconds ago
#magnotta told Watts he couldn't remember using the saw. And couldn't remember turning on camera on Colombian man

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 2m2 minutes ago
En fait, #Magnotta ne s'est même pas souvenu de s'être approché du Colombien avec cette scie, dit Watts. Semblait sincère.

Translation: In fact, #Magnotta did not even remember approaching the Colombian with this saw, said Watts. Seemed sincere

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
Did Manny ask him to record #magnotta having sex with Colombian man or him snoring and being out of it? He didn't recall, Watts said

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 2m2 minutes ago
Ce Colombien, c'était un client de #Magnotta? Non. Il avait répondu à une annonce non liée à son travail d'escorte sur Craiglist -Watts

Translation: Was the Colombian a client of #Magnotta ? No. He answered an ad unrelated to his work on Craiglist escort -Watts

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
This is still crown prosecutor Louis Bouthillier cross examining Watts, psych hired by defence to evaluate #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 34s 34 seconds ago
The Colombian man wasn't a client, Watts said. #Magnotta met him via Craigslist in order to have threesome with Manny

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 35s36 seconds ago
Watts wasn't aware #Magnotta had spray painted the suitcase in which he placed Lin Jun's torso

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 23s 23 seconds ago
Watts being shown photos of suitcase. "I see what you mean now," Watts says #Magnotta

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 58s59 seconds ago
This morning, #Magnotta looked directly @ jurors as entered (unusual). Now he's bent over looking at floor, as he usually is.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
Lunch break in #Magnotta Back at 2:15

 

[Kamille]

Well it looks like as a FORENSIC psychiatrist, Dr. Watts is just as useless as Dr. Allard. But then Dr. Watts was not licensed as a forensic psychiatrist at the time he assessed LM.

What did they ask him about? Other than his feelings? And allowing him to lie over and over without calling him out on any of them.

Pffft. :notgood:

 

[Kamille]

The video with the woman and the snake is not graphic:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dVIVI5LQ4Tw

Thanks for that. So the snake seems to be curled up in the corner of an apartment between two baseboard electric heaters, likely trying to keep warm? Do they have those baseboard heaters in London? It doesn't appear to be a standard Toronto apartment either because of the good wood flooring and not that parquet stuff. Must be a rather expensive apt? A condo?

There is absolutely no reason why, when questioned, that LM could not tell anyone about who the woman is, where he was with the snake etc. Well no mental reason. He's got plenty of reason to protect his friend, the owner of that snake I suppose.

MOO

ETA: Apparently those snakes are legal to own in Ontario. So he's not protecting someone from illegally owning the snake. So why can't he tell anyone the truth about the snake video?

 

[Rayemonde]

If you scroll right down to the bottom on this page there's a woman who apparently may have been in the snake video:
http://magnottafiles.blogspot.com/p/lukas-web.html

 

[Rayemonde]

“Rebecca White” was one of Magnotta’s strongest online supporters during the summer of 2011, a time when the For Great Justice animal activists were trying to get various police forces to take action against Magnotta.

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/are-you-luka-magnottas-facebook-friend/

 

[Rayemonde]

Thanks for that. So the snake seems to be curled up in the corner of an apartment between two baseboard electric heaters, likely trying to keep warm? Do they have those baseboard heaters in London?

I've never seen heaters like that in the UK.

Could this be the same snake?
http://lukatrial.com/tag/snake/

 

[Rayemonde]

WARNING - DO NOT DO A GOOGLE IMAGE SEARCH FOR "LUKA MAGNOTTA SNAKE" IF YOU ARE SQUEAMISH.

Not only do you get pictures of a snake eating a kitten, you get pictures of JL's body parts

Here's a pic of LM with the snake.
View attachment 63760

And here's a photoshoot from his Quebec apartment at the time.
http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/a-photographers-encounter-with-luka-rocco-magnotta/

Different sofa, if you ask me.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Quoted from Rayemonde:

WARNING - DO NOT DO A GOOGLE IMAGE SEARCH FOR "LUKA MAGNOTTA SNAKE" IF YOU ARE SQUEAMISH.


I cannot thank you enough for the various warnings. As an animal lover, this is extremely important to me.

:tyou:

 

[Kamille]

I've never seen heaters like that in the UK.

Could this be the same snake?
http://lukatrial.com/tag/snake/

Well that picture was definitely taken at Manati Park in Punta Cana, Dominican Republic. They do have a python like that there.

Who did he go on all these vacations with?!? You can't tell me LE couldn't back track some of his passport travel and match it up with other people travelling with him.

Did they investigate ANYTHING in regards to this case?

:notgood:

 

[Kamille]

WARNING - DO NOT DO A GOOGLE IMAGE SEARCH FOR "LUKA MAGNOTTA SNAKE" IF YOU ARE SQUEAMISH.

Not only do you get pictures of a snake eating a kitten, you get pictures of JL's body parts

Here's a pic of LM with the snake.
View attachment 63760

And here's a photoshoot from his Quebec apartment at the time.
http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/a-photographers-encounter-with-luka-rocco-magnotta/

Different sofa, if you ask me.

I can't get that attachment to open?

And the snake video would have been taken prior to him moving to Quebec. Just when was it originally uploaded? Was it around Christmas 2010? And the VPN he had on his computer would have allowed him to pick any location to upload it from.

MOO

 

[Little Jedi]

OT:
Can't read on the "lukatrial.com" Website, it's "forbidden"

Is this a Website only for authorisized members?

:wave: Guten Abend Traumelfe

Try this ~ It's the Home Page

http://lukatrial.com/

Then if you go down the page to the 'search box'
Put in "Posted May 24, 2012"
It should take you there :crossfingers:

 

[Kamille]

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/are-you-luka-magnottas-facebook-friend/

Very interesting. Did these LM supporters ever meet up with their "idol"? Could this be the Rebecca he mentioned? :thinking:

ETA: Oh I see that was an LM sock puppet. Along with Louise Rebecca Sanchez

:scared:

 

[Rayemonde]

I can't get that attachment to open?

And the snake video would have been taken prior to him moving to Quebec. Just when was it originally uploaded? Was it around Christmas 2010? And the VPN he had on his computer would have allowed him to pick any location to upload it from.

No, he was living in Quebec. Then the snake video was taken. Then he was in London, then the Netherlands, then he went back to Canada and rented an apartment in Point St. Charles, Montreal. Don't know if the snake vid was taken in Quebec or after he went travelling. I wonder if he was house-sitting for somebody or something like that.

Snake picture
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-t2HJ6LZsc...Z-ALJE/s1600/Luka-Magnotta-Python+%282%29.jpg

The snake video was uploaded around the 2nd December 2011. Around the same time as the kitten drowning video. He was interviewed about it by the Sun journalist in London on the 10th December.

 

[Kamille]

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 7m7 minutes ago
Procès #Magnotta englué dans des considérations d'ordre juridique cet après-midi. Jury n'a toujours pas été rappelé.

Translation: #Magnotta trial mired in legal considerations this afternoon. The jury has not been called yet

 

[Kamille]

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 7m7 minutes ago
#Magnotta Crown shows photos of suitcase found in trash outside apartment. You can see it's been spray painted. Watts did not ask about that

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 8m8 minutes ago
We're looking at photos of the suitcase with spray paint on it. Watt doesn't recall noticing it when he saw photos before. #magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 7m7 minutes ago
Watts was thinking that perhaps #Magnotta slashed the suitcase in order to make it more difficult to ID Lin Jun. Now wishes he'd seen paint

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 7m7 minutes ago
Watts thought #Magnotta may have done something to hide suitcase, so he asked about lacerations, but says wishes had known about paint.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 7m7 minutes ago
Watts says #Magnotta couldn't recall filming or getting rid of the camera

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 6m6 minutes ago
#Magnotta didn't know why he filmed some things and not others, Watts says

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 6m6 minutes ago
Watts says about camera found in trash. Was part of stuff that #Magnotta could not recall. Didn't remember why in trash, why used it when.

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 3m3 minutes ago
Crown focusing on all the questions that Watts asked #Magnotta that went unanswered. There were many.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
Watts says he doesn't recall seeing photo of screw driver painted silver. And he didn't ask #magnotta about it.

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2m 2 minutes ago
Did you know it could have been weapon used to bludgeon victim's stomach and chest? Yes. And you didn't ask why painted silver? no

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2m 2 minutes ago
Did you ask him why he bought new sheets? Why the mattress was turned over? Why shower curtain found in garbage? In bed? Nope, Watts saya

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2m 2 minutes ago
Reason I didn't ask, Watts, says is this looks like he's trying to hide what he's done, cover up. But not trying very hard, he says#Magnotta

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 1m1 minute ago
Crown also points out there are many questions Watts did not ask #Magnotta, for example, why bought new sheets for mattress.

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 2m2 minutes ago
Watts says some details seem to indicate #Magnotta was trying to hide what he had done, but on surveillance cam, he doesn't look like hiding

 

[Kamille]

This is absurd. This guy was sent to do an ASSESSMENT, not to be his actual doctor. And he didn't ask about anything to do with the crime? He made his own assumptions instead?

:notgood:

MOO

 

[svpernin]

Question... I apologize if this has already been addressed but wasn't there a third kitten video... With a plastic bag and a vacuum? I remember attempting to watch it when this case broke and being completely traumatized.


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[Kamille]

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 1m1 minute ago
#Magnotta vous a dit pourquoi une photo de lui aux côtés de Lin Jun s'est trouvée dans son ordi? demande la Couronne

Translation: Did #Magnotta tell you why there was a picture of him alongside Lin Jun on his computer? Crown asks

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 2m2 minutes ago
Mais Watts n'a pas interrogé #Magnotta au sujet de ces photos. Il avance qu'elles ont pu être prises avant le meurtre.

Translation: Watts did not interview #Magnotta about these pictures. He argues that they were taken before the murder.

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 1m1 minute ago
Crown ask if Watts asked about photos of Jun Lin and #Magnotta on computer seized in Berlin. Watts: No.

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 3m 3 minutes ago
Did you ask why he had pics of Lin Jun in his computer Bouthillier asks. No, says Watts. didn't seem surprising to me. they were together

christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins · 3m3 minutes ago
#Magnotta a vidé son compte de banque à Paris. Il n'a pas dormi à l'hôtel qu'il avait payé, le 27 mai 2012. Dr Watts a pas demandé explic

Translation: #Magnotta emptied his bank account in Paris . He did not sleep in the hotel he paid for on May 27, 2012. Dr. Watts did not ask

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 5m5 minutes ago
Watts n'a pas interrogé #Magnotta non plus sur les chambres d'hôtel réservées à Paris. Pourquoi deux hôtels différents, notamment

Translation: Watts did not interview #Magnotta about the reserved hotel rooms in Paris . Including, why two different hotels

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 2m2 minutes ago
Jury se retire de la salle d'audience à la suite d'une objection de l'avocat de #Magnotta.

Translation: Jury leaves courtroom after an objection by #Magnotta counsel

 

[Kamille]

No surprise there. This "forensic psychiatrist" is looking like a fool. Most likely because his view of the evidence was skewed in favour of the defense since that is who he was hired by and that is who he got his information from. Don't suppose his lawyers were asking for this doctor to analyse all the things that make him look guilty as sin.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Question... I apologize if this has already been addressed but wasn't there a third kitten video... With a plastic bag and a vacuum? I remember attempting to watch it when this case broke and being completely traumatized.


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I believe that was the first video... 1 Boy 2 Kittens. Done in 2010 I believe.

So yes, there is that one, the python one and the drowning one. Sorry you were traumatized. That's why I couldn't follow this case in the beginning. :cry:

:notgood: