NY - Officer Daniel Pantaleo used deadly chokehold on Eric Garner, Staten Island, July 2014

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Do you know for a fact that Eric Garner didn't legally buy the cigarettes he was selling? If the cigarettes were bought legally in the first place then the tax was already paid and local businesses were supported. We can't call what Garner did "indirect theft" without evidence he was illegally obtaining the cigarettes IMO.

Since none of us were there or personally know the family, I can only rely on reports like this:

"At the time of his death, the Port Richmond resident had three misdemeanor cases pending in Stapleton Criminal Court. He was free on $2,000 bail.


On Aug. 22 of last year, Garner was arrested on School Road and Bay Street, Fort Wadsworth, for allegedly driving without a license, according to a criminal complaint.


Garner, 43, gave cops a phony name and put himself in more hot water when officers allegedly found untaxed cigarettes and a small amount of marijuana in the 1998 Lincoln Navigator he was driving, the complaint said.


He was charged with aggravated unlicensed vehicle operation, false personation, possession or sale of untaxed cigarettes and marijuana possession, according to information from District Attorney Daniel Donovan's office.


Seven months later, while out on $1,000 bail, Garner was busted on March 28 for allegedly selling unstamped cigarettes on the street outside of 200 Bay St., Tompkinsville. He had 24 packs of untaxed smokes in his possession, police said.

Full article here:

http://www.silive.com/northshore/index.ssf/2014/07/eric_garner_who_died_in_police.html

The article is not a blog, but rather a Staten Island news source.

 

[Truthy]

Will replace with a proper quote and link on Thursday!

 

[SStarr33]

I am not surprised at all, I read somewhere last week that only one police officer has EVER been indicted for killing a civilian.
Guess what that cop looked like?

Link please

 

[popsicle]

[h=1]'Hell No!': Eric Garner's Widow Rejects Officer's Apology Amid Shock Over Grand Jury's Decision[/h]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/03/eric-garner-family_n_6265792.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

 

[XXXXXXXX]

On CNN tonight Mark Geragos said, you have the right to resist an illegal arrest.

Who determines whether or not an arrest is illegal? The arrestee? And does that arrestee have a law degree to KNOW whether or not the arrest is indeed, "illegal".

This is why I rarely watch CNN and their talking heads. Some of the chit that comes out of their mouths is too ridiculous for some of us to bother with.

 

[Truthy]

Link please

I can't find where I read it, but know Rachel Maddow covered it on her show. Am looking to see if I can find it on her website.

 

[Muffet]

When you read the testimony, the revised instructions were not properly explained. A one point it seemed like they were saying it was optional- they "could" disregard the earlier instructions. When someone asked for clarification, the response was something about not "running a law school" of some ridiculous response like that. That is how they rectified a serious mistake? Embarrasssing.

False, spin, and still OT.
The instructions are right there for everyone to read for themselves.

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[SStarr33]

De Blasio opposes making police chokeholds illegal

http://nypost.com/2014/09/10/de-blasio-opposes-making-police-chokeholds-illegal/

 

[SStarr33]

I can't find where I read it, but know Rachel Maddow covered it on her show. Am looking to see if I can find it on her website.

Rachel Maddow? Don't bother with a link.

 

[jennapuppy]

There have been numerous indictments of LEO for using deadly force in the line of duty. It may not happen often, but it does happen. A LEO was convicted of manslaughter recently in my area. It is probably rare for one to be convicted of capital murder. MOO

 

[jggordo]

Just saw interview with Charles Barkley on CNN. Says he's tired of race baiter pundits on TV and their comments. He agrees with GJ decision. Also says that commentators are "Monday morning quarterbacks" and that Monday morning quarterbacks are the players that "don't have the ball$ to play on Sunday".
Gotta love that guy...caused me to LOL.

JMO's

 

[Truthy]

Rachel Maddow? Don't bother with a link.

Okay, but I am curious why you would say that. She prides herself on the accuracy of facts in her reporting. I have never heard of anyone catch her in mistakes, which are pretty common on Fox and CNN.
The video are not posted yet, might be tomorrow.

 

[SStarr33]

Officer Pantaleo to Garner Grand Jury: Wasn’t a Chokehold, It Was Wrestling Move

http://www.mediaite.com/online/officer-who-choked-garner-to-grand-jury-it-was-wrestling-move/

Looks like they got their info here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/n...ury-he-meant-no-harm-to-eric-garner.html?_r=1

 

[SStarr33]

Okay, but I am curious why you would say that. She prides herself on the accuracy of facts in her reporting. I have never heard of anyone catch her in mistakes, which are pretty common on Fox and CNN.
The video are not posted yet, might be tomorrow.

IMO, she is a spinner just like the rest of them.

 

[Truthy]

False, spin, and still OT.
The instructions are right there for everyone to read for themselves.

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Nope, true, saying don't necessarily- is to say they CAN rely on that law. And when pressed to clarify the confusion they created- they refused.

“So the statute I gave you, if you want to fold that in half just so that you know don't necessarily rely on that because there is a portion of that that doesn't comply with the law.

“…I don't want you to get confused and don’t rely on that copy or that print-out of the statute that I've given you a long time ago.”

A grand juror asks, “So we’re to disregard this?”

Alizadehanswers: “It is not entirely incorrect or inaccurate, but there is something in it that’s not correct, ignore it totally.”

When a grand juror asks more questions,

Whirley chimes in, “We don’t want to get into a law class.”


http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/grand-jury-wrangled-confusing-instructions

 

[popsicle]

I am not surprised at all, I read somewhere last week that only one police officer has EVER been indicted for killing a civilian.
Guess what that cop looked like?

I found 9 just off a quick google search.
http://www.fresnobee.com/2014/12/03/4267646/other-high-profile-grand-jury.html

 

[Muffet]

Link please

Someone needs to tell Rachel Maddow or whoever about the forty something officers outright charged for killing in the line of duty in just the seven years before.... 2011, I think. I'll find the link if needed. It's been posted already in other threads.

I guess the fact that 4 officers were indicted over Rodney King even though he didn't die is also easily forgotten or brushed aside if you want. (I think most of us remember, but I'll find a link for that too if necessary. :crazy: )

This case raises a lot of WTH? So far. There's another incident that is such a clear case of abuse that it makes me even though the officer was immediately fired and charged. I think he's looking at 20 years. The victim didn't die.

But in discussing each case, IMO, we have to keep our facts straight and personal agendas locked up. Judge everyone as an individual, fairly. And don't rely on politically motivated "reporters" for the facts.



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[SStarr33]

Ramsey Orta Witness Who Filmed Eric Garner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9WTu6im1pY#t=161

 

[Truthy]

Court records show that within the past two years, three men sued Daniel Pantaleo — the officer seen wrapping his arm around Garner's neck — over allegedly unlawful, racially motivated arrests.


In the first lawsuit, settled by the city in January, two black men accused Pantaleo and other officers of arresting them without cause and subjecting them to a "humiliating and unlawful strip search" on the street in which they were ordered to "pull their pants and underwear down, squat and cough." The men said they were held overnight on charges that were ultimately dismissed.

Pantaleo purportedly “tapped” each man’s testicles during the search, which he claimed was a bid to discover any contraband, the Daily News reported. The suit was settled last January.



In a second lawsuit, a man accused Pantaleo and other officers of misrepresenting facts in a police report and other documents to substantiate charges that also were dismissed.In a second lawsuit, a man named Rylawn Walker accused a group of NYPD officers that included Pantaleo of arresting him despite the fact that he was “committing no crime at the time and was not acting in a suspicious manner” and of including misleading data on a police report to justify the arrest, the Staten Island Advance reported. Charges against the man were ultimately dismissed.

Rylawn Walker, alleges that Pantaleo arrested him last February for marijuana-related charges, even though he was "committing no crime at that time and was not acting in a suspicious manner."


A Staten Island grand jury considered several possible criminal charges against Pantaleo, including criminally negligent homicide and manslaughter.

Pantaleo was an eight-year NYPD veteran

http://www.ibtimes.com/who-daniel-p...ed-eric-garner-was-accused-misconduct-1733094

costing taxpayers $30,000 in settlement money

Pantaleo falsely claimed that he saw crack and heroin in the backseat of the car—everyone in the vehicle was arrested, but the charges were subsequently dismissed.
http://gothamist.com/2014/07/21/cop_who_put_eric_garner_in_chokehol.php


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/19/nypd-daniel-pantaleo-chok_n_5602742.html

I find it really odd that people here can focus on the cigarettes and ignore the LEOs record. It is deplorable and incredibly dangerous to allow loose cannons out there. What ws he still doing on the force?

 

[CoolJ]

Another thing with this case that really bugs me.... Don't NYPD know CPR ? They just sat there checking his pulse every now and then. I didn't see one of them check to see if he was breathing or the quality if his breathe. And EMS wasn't much better. Forget everything else. That part right there will win his family a sizeable lawsuit. JMO