France - Machine Gun attack on magazine Charlie Hebdo #1

[ZaZara]

LASSANA BATHILY, MUSLIM FROM MALI, HID 6 PEOPLE IN KOSHER STORE, SAVING THEM FROM KILLER

rtl.be reports:
http://www.rtl.be/info/monde/france...i-ouvert-la-porte-du-congelateur--690614.aspx


Translation

Lassana Bathily, an employee of the kosher grocery store, has acted like a hero. He helped the hostages take refuge in the cold room of the store. He was interviewed by our colleagues from BFMTV.

Lassana Bathily. This is the name of a young Malian Muslim who saved the lives of several hostages, six in total, during the hostage taking by Amedy Coulibaly in Porte de Vincennes. Lassana Bathily is employed in the kosher grocery store, location of the drama. It is about 13hrs when terrorist Amedy Coulibaly bursts heavily armed into the store. There is panic. Many terrified clients flee downstairs, towards the basement of the store.

The hero of one day opens the door of a freezer. He tells into the microphone of BFM TV: "When they ran down, (...), I opened the door (of the freezer) There are several people who have stepped in with me. I turned off the light,.. I turned off the freezer. (...) When I switched off the room, I put them in, I closed the door, I said you stay calm in here, I'm going out." After the raid by the specialists of RAID, the hostages were released. "They praiseded me," Lassana tells humbly.

BBM


Details:
The kosher grocery store, attacked by a Jihadist for being a kosher grocery store, has a Muslim employee.
In the eyes of the Jihadist, a muslim working for the enemy is not a true muslim and therefore can be killed as a kāfir.

 

[Waddles]

Life is completely normal today -people are shopping in the sales, tourists are everywhere, business almost as usual. I am walking about a bit stunned really, not fully coming to terms with what has happened these last few days and yet obsessed with it and latching at opportunities to discuss it with people, either heartened that they feel the exact same way and more, and have things to share with me that shed light on things for me, or expand my thinking, or on the contrary disappointed that they don't want to talk about it or surprised they feel differently or they wonder why I'm so preoccupied with it.

In the end what can we do, this has happened and we have to be outraged, we can't stand for this but we can't let fear control our lives. People at Airbnb apartments I manage (one of my many freelance jobs) are asking me if it is still safe to visit and I can only tell them it is, I mean it has to be! How do we know anything? The metros and trains were bombed in 1995 and then nothing really major after for 20 years -how can we know? It could be any day, it could be next week or next year but we have to live! I'm scared but I at the same time I refuse to be scared, I'm confused really as many people are. I'm devastated for all the victims' families and for all those whose lives have changed forever as a result of this.

My only comfort has been discussion and support with friends on Facebook, sharing our shock and outrage, and most of all standing alone at Republique square, and for the first time in 20 years here, feeling very much part of this community, as if I was standing with family and friends among strangers who all feel as strongly about this as me, and more. A conservative looking well-dressed elderly couple standing beside me whispered and had a giggle that this gathering must have been organised by young socialists and yet they chanted along, were content and wanted to be there and at that moment we had no differences, no class difference, no political or religious difference. If you wanted to move forward or backward in the crowd the way just parted like magic, no one pushed or resisted and I didn't even need to say excuse me, everyone was so calm, so serene. It was so comforting to feel Parisian and part of a community. In the past I have struggled with things like cultural differences and sexual harassment and things but that was all gone, I felt so united with them and realised I was them. A very powerful and defining moment for me, an expat New Zealander.

My French mother is brave, she heard all the shots from the kosher store located a few minutes down her very road, the detonations, wondering how many people were dying each time - she got up this morning and went down there and laid flowers. I love my maman! She and I are going to march together tomorrow and I look forward to it, I think it will be healing for everyone.

This probably sounds all quite silly but I felt like sharing this with you guys!

 

[Waddles]

This is happening, there are schools, groups and persons who believe in conspiracies, who agree that the prophet should not be drawn, nor insulted, and they also believe that terroists and juhadist are heroes. In France, with six millions muslims, at least 10 % falls into this category.

See for instance my earlier post

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...harlie-Hebdo-kills-11&p=11377595#post11377595

You may find reasons not attach value to what Le Figaro says because it is Le Figaro, but that does not change reality.

The problem is, even if the norm is to join in a minute of silence, this will not stop the next Jihadists from committing their heinous crimes.
No minute of silence of a zillion people will stop them. At all.

Yes you are right, this is indeed happening and it's scary and it's something I think about a lot. My mother taught in schools of predominantly Arab and Muslim African origin students where this type of comment would have been overheard. She was an English teacher so they loved the escape of learning in her classes as she was always opening debates with them. I know people think like this. I know some of these kids are repeating what they parents actually think or are saying what their gut tells them from what they know or think they know. I just think it's dangerous to think it's the norm though among young Muslims and second and third generation immigrants from Muslim countries.

 

[Fifth Avenue]

If that's your standard for "promoting violence", then so does Christianity.


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Oh please, while 1000 years ago people may have been converted to Christianity by violence, it certainly doesnt happen today.
I my view islam is a militant religion, it is an ideology promoting intolerance and violence which I find impossible to defend. They advocate sharia laws in West and oppress women.

Fundamental islam called Wahhabism, gaining more&more followers, also among muslim immigrants in West.

I guess we are all entitled to our opinions.


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[Waddles]

LASSANA BATHILY, MUSLIM FROM MALI, HID 6 PEOPLE IN KOSHER STORE, SAVING THEM FROM KILLER

rtl.be reports:
http://www.rtl.be/info/monde/france...i-ouvert-la-porte-du-congelateur--690614.aspx


Translation

Lassana Bathily, an employee of the kosher grocery store, has acted like a hero. He helped the hostages take refuge in the cold room of the store. He was interviewed by our colleagues from BFMTV.

Lassana Bathily. This is the name of a young Malian Muslim who saved the lives of several hostages, six in total, during the hostage taking by Amedy Coulibaly in Porte de Vincennes. Lassana Bathily is employed in the kosher grocery store, location of the drama. It is about 13hrs when terrorist Amedy Coulibaly bursts heavily armed into the store. There is panic. Many terrified clients flee downstairs, towards the basement of the store.

The hero of one day opens the door of a freezer. He tells into the microphone of BFM TV: "When they ran down, (...), I opened the door (of the freezer) There are several people who have stepped in with me. I turned off the light,.. I turned off the freezer. (...) When I switched off the room, I put them in, I closed the door, I said you stay calm in here, I'm going out." After the raid by the specialists of RAID, the hostages were released. "They praiseded me," Lassana tells humbly.

BBM


Details:
The kosher grocery store, attacked by a Jihadist for being a kosher grocery store, has a Muslim employee.
In the eyes of the Jihadist, a muslim working for the enemy is not a true muslim and therefore can be killed as a kāfir.

I read this, it's amazing and I heard they had a 1 month old baby with them - that must have been terrifying.

 

[Waddles]

#paristerror Supermarket hostage victims: Yoav Hattab, Philippe Braham, Yohan Cohen and Francois-Michel Saada.

https://twitter.com/skymartinbrunt/status/553931805737639937


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Thank you, I hadn't seen this, so awful

 

[Colin de France]

Hayat Boumeddiene is thought to be in Syria, left the 02/01/15 .....http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2...ene-a-quitte-la-france-et-serait-en-syrie.php

 

[Waddles]

HB is thought to be in Syria, left the 02/01/15 .....http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2...ene-a-quitte-la-france-et-serait-en-syrie.php

!!!!!!

 

[SStarr33]

Pictured: Two of the hostages shot by Islamic extremist during siege at Jewish grocery store, as it emerges one shopper was executed when he grabbed one of terrorist's guns and it JAMMED

Hostages killed are named as Yohan Cohen, 22, Yoav Hattab, 21, Philippe Braham and Francois-Michel Saada

Pictures of Mr Cohen and Mr Hattab can be revealed 24 hours after the supermarket siege ended in hail of gunfire

One hostage is said to have snatched one of terrorist Amedy Coulibaly's guns in the kosher grocery

Captive turned the weapon on the extremist - only to find it had been left on a counter because it was jammed

Dramatic account revealed by a survivor reveals that Coulibaly then shot and killed the customer in cold blood

Survivor - known only as Mickael B, was trapped inside the Jewish supermarket with his three-year-old son

Hostage taker Coulibaly, 32, was responsible for shooting dead a policewoman on Thursday

Series of explosions rocked the building as armed police launched their raid which freed 15 hostages

Siege came two days after Cherif and Said Kouachi massacred 12 people at Charlie Hebdo offices in Paris

Prosecutor reveals 500 phone calls made between the wife of Coulibaly and one of the Kouachi brothers

Police are interrogating the wives of the Kouachis in a bid to track down Coulibaly's wife Hayat Boumeddiene


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-terororist-four-captives.html#ixzz3ORBUN0L0
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

 

[Waddles]

Other sources saying she may have been gone for a longer time than that - how do they not know!

 

[FindHG]

Life is completely normal today -people are shopping in the sales, tourists are everywhere, business almost as usual. I am walking about a bit stunned really, not fully coming to terms with what has happened these last few days and yet obsessed with it and latching at opportunities to discuss it with people, either heartened that they feel the exact same way and more, and have things to share with me that shed light on things for me, or expand my thinking, or on the contrary disappointed that they don't want to talk about it or surprised they feel differently or they wonder why I'm so preoccupied with it.
In the end what can we do, this has happened and we have to be outraged, we can't stand for this but we can't let fear control our lives. People at Airbnb apartments I manage (one of my many freelance jobs) are asking me if it is still safe to visit and I can only tell them it is, I mean it has to be! How do we know anything? The metros and trains were bombed in 1995 and then nothing really major after for 20 years -how can we know? It could be any day, it could be next week or next year but we have to live! I'm scared but I at the same time I refuse to be scared, I'm confused really as many people are. I'm devastated for all the victims' families and for all those whose lives have changed forever as a result of this. My only comfort has been discussion and support with friends on Facebook, sharing our shock and outrage, and most of all standing alone at Republique square, and for the first time in 20 years here, feeling very much part of this community, as if I was standing with family and friends among strangers who all feel as strongly about this as me, and more. A conservative looking well-dressed elderly couple standing beside me whispered and had a giggle that this gathering must have been organised by young socialists and yet they chanted along, were content and wanted to be there and at that moment we had no differences, no class difference, no political or religious difference. If you wanted to move forward or backward in the crowd the way just parted like magic, no one pushed or resisted and I didn't even need to say excuse me, everyone was so calm, so serene. It was so comforting to feel Parisian and part of a community. In the past I have struggled with things like cultural differences and sexual harassment and things but that was all gone, I felt so united with them and realised I was them. A very powerful and defining moment for me, an expat New Zealander.
My French mother is brave, she heard all the shots from the kosher store located a few minutes down her very road, the detonations, wondering how many people were dying each time - she got up this morning and went down there and laid flowers. I love my maman! She and I are going to march together tomorrow and I look forward to it, I think it will be healing for everyone.
This probably sounds all quite silly but I felt like sharing this with you guys!

Sounds perfectly real, thank you for sharing this.

 

[Fifth Avenue]

PHOTOS: Yohan Cohen, 22 and Yohav Hattab 21 are 2 of the victims of the attack against a kosher supermarket in Paris http://t.co/wVsbkQ8Qwp


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[nrdsb4]

Every chicken-sh** news organization in the world needs to plaster their front page with the cartoons (NYT, among others, I'm talking about you). Until they do so, I call BS on their saying they stand behind Charlie. The freaking AP has had a photo of the photo Piss Christ for sale in their photo library, yet they are blurring the cartoons.

This is just one of the many reasons it is incomprehensible to me that we are limited to using MSM in our discussions here. They have an agenda just like everyone else.

I have to agree with that.

 

[Colin de France]

Amedy Coulibaly is suspected of firing on a jogger wednesday evening with life threatning injuries.....http://www.nordeclair.fr/france-mon...ventuel-lien-entre-coulibaly-et-jna0b0n595609

 

[FindHG]

Hayat Boumeddiene is thought to be in Syria, left the 02/01/15 .....http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2...ene-a-quitte-la-france-et-serait-en-syrie.php

https://www.youtube.com/user/france24 mentions that she had tickets to return on the 9th of Jan that remain unused. She flew Madrid, Istanbul not sure date to or from, so perhaps Syria, prior to the attack on Charlie Hebdo.

 

[Dogface]

The pictures of the man running with his child, who had lost a boot and you can see his little foot, just reduces me to tears. The fear that father must have had for his son and the lack of control he had over the situation is one of the most horrendous situations I can imagine as a parent.

And the story of how one hostage was shot after a very heroic attempt to shoot the sad excuse for a human holding them hostage...just heartbreaking...what courage in face of fear. It is a loss for the world when someone like that is taken out by a coward. And the two victims we have seen thus far were so young, just beginning their lives really

How do they not know where his wife is?!? If they have phone records, shouldn't they be able to see where the calls were coming from?

 

[SStarr33]

The pictures of the man running with his child, who had lost a boot and you can see his little foot, just reduces me to tears. The fear that father must have had for his son and the lack of control he had over the situation is one of the most horrendous situations I can imagine as a parent.

And the story of how one hostage was shot after a very heroic attempt to shoot the sad excuse for a human holding them hostage...just heartbreaking...what courage in face of fear. It is a loss for the world when someone like that is taken out by a coward. And the two victims we have seen thus far were so young, just beginning their lives really

How do they not know where his wife is?!? If they have phone records, shouldn't they be able to see where the calls were coming from?

I'm wondering if that is the guy who called the police and then left his phone on. Dude is a hero because police heard when terrorist was doing his prayers (rolling eyes hard here) and then police stormed the building. It is in that Daily Mail I posted above.

 

[trigger]

Other sources saying she may have been gone for a longer time than that - how do they not know!

Maybe by her cell phone?

 

[Dogface]

I'm wondering if that is the guy who called the police and then left his phone on. Dude is a hero because police heard when terrorist was doing his prayers (rolling eyes hard here) and then police stormed the building. It is in that Daily Mail I posted above.

Yes, I think you are correct on that, and what an ingenious move to leave it on...brilliant.

 

[Waddles]

Maybe by her cell phone?

yes but I mean how do they not know? aren't there flight records? She should have been flagged years ago from her conversation with police were they realised she was radicalised.