Discussions on Formal Sentencing Hearing - Jodi Arias #2

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Boytwnmom said:
only the court has it and the legal teams would have access. No way did an attorney do that. But her, yeah, I can see it. She really needs to be fired. Her actions are not the acts of a mitigation specialist. Tweeting for the murderer-please.
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May I suggest that, if this is established as fact, then this complaint is better directed to those in authority in the AZ justice system. IMHO.
 
bonjoviblonde said:
I didn't hear him say they considered that while deliberating. I only heard Nancy ask him how he felt about her possibly getting out at age 50 and he said that it it would concern him and makes him sad.
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nope listen again he said they considered that...atty on Dr. drew caught it too and commented.
 
MeeBee said:
Iirc there's nothing wrong with that.
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they are not to consider that or even know about it according to most commentators..and any thing I have seen in past trials.
 
Much as I find the verdict distasteful, I think it's actually the best possible outcome. On Death Row, Jodi would have had international attention. She won't get that in Max. Plus, the odds of her getting an appeal of either 2 verdicts is unlikely, because of JSS's conservatism and the input from the CofA. On top of that, who'd want to represent her as a defense attorney? It's been pretty obvious that Willmott and Nurmi were put through the mill by Jodi herself. Then there were the previous attorneys who didn't meet Jodi's muster. Obvious, too, that it's impossible to find a credible expert witness. Imagine, even if Jodi could find a willing defender how much it will cost her. Nurmi alone cost, what, a million, two? So Jodi can raise that on her own with a "lost cause" premium thrown in? And 11+8 jurors voting for the death penalty, with alternates who said they would too? Even if I were the very sleaziest of sleazy attorneys, I would run....

Jodi will be forgotten..... Time will pass, and there will be no one to fatten up her commissary account (after some years, she could have $80 per month on deposit). As it is, no one spoke in defense for her life: they're going to send her $$ in prison? (It's remarkable that none of her online associates spoke up for her, either.) No ultra-expensive Securepak care packages. No food visits. Since all these privileges take years to earn, and who's going to stick by her?

In a few years, no deodorant for Jodi. No shampoo and conditioner. No Little Debbies. No replacement fan. Orange jacket, orange shirts, orange cap, cheap sneakers, all of which she has to pay for herself, very expensively. Technology will have passed her by within a year. No arts and craft supplies until she earns a spot up a notch or two, and even then, it's pencils and paper (the number of pieces might even be restricted, I forget). $.10 per hour, when she's never kept a job in her life. And she'll have to get along with other inmates while she's working? Manipulation's not going to go over very well with workmates.

And I don't know how the Ariases would ever be able to write and market a book, when so many jurors voted for death. It's not like they ended this in a blaze of glory. It's not as though they got up and spoke for their daughter and managed to sway some jurors with their reality. Imagine having a daughter to whom so many were willing to give the death penalty. If Jodi had gone to death row, they could have been martyrs, or at least pawns during the appeals process. If Jodi had squarely landed in a "life" verdict (instead of almost death), and had a big WIN, they maybe could have suggested some redeeming value in a book. But neither of those options applies: there's only a very lousy infamy.

Again, I'd rather the verdict had been otherwise, but my feelings aside, I believe Jodi got the worst possible outcome.
 
turaj said:
they are not to consider that or even know about it according to most commentators..and any thing I have seen in past trials.
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I think thats aggravation phase. The entire point of sentencing is to think of sentencing.
 
HarvestMoon said:
If, she gets 25 years the Judge will be despised.
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I don't think the judge cares if she is despised or not. It's almost like she lives in a cocoon or a bubble where she is oblivious to the criticism leveled at her. She is definitely responsible for this circus. Apparently she doesn't read the newspaper, watch T.V., or read Websleuths in regards to the way she runs her court room.

Nobody ever see's themselves the way other people see them.
 
Chris Hughes on Dr. Drew and looks like his book is now out....they had a photo of it...interesting.
 
turaj said:
they are not to consider that or even know about it according to most commentators..and any thing I have seen in past trials.
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Well not like it's a problem now since it's a hung jury.
 
I refuse to watch those news programs. They never get anything right and they just love replaying the drama. My sister said Dr Drew was playing the phone sex convo tonight. Why? Really, that's what you want to talk about tonight?
 
Fuskier said:
BBM: Exactly! Change to a 'majority verdict' would prevent undermining of the penalty phase by a stealth juror. IMHO.
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That really is a good suggestion. AZ needs to have a senator or someone sponsor a law to get it changed to a majority vote.
 
RickshawFan said:
Much as I find the verdict distasteful, I think it's actually the best possible outcome. On Death Row, Jodi would have had international attention. She won't get that in Max. Plus, the odds of her getting an appeal of either 2 verdicts is unlikely, because of JSS's conservatism and the input from the CofA. On top of that, who'd want to represent her as a defense attorney? It's been pretty obvious that Willmott and Nurmi were put through the mill by Jodi herself. Then there were the previous attorneys who didn't meet Jodi's muster. Obvious, too, that it's impossible to find a credible expert witness. Imagine, even if Jodi could find a willing defender how much it will cost her. Nurmi alone cost, what, a million, two? So Jodi can raise that on her own with a "lost cause" premium thrown in? And 11+8 jurors voting for the death penalty, with alternates who said they would too? Even if I were the very sleaziest of sleazy attorneys, I would run....

Jodi will be forgotten..... Time will pass, and there will be no one to fatten up her commissary account (after some years, she could have $80 per month on deposit). As it is, no one spoke in defense for her life: they're going to send her $$ in prison? (It's remarkable that none of her online associates spoke up for her, either.) No ultra-expensive Securepak care packages. No food visits. Since all these privileges take years to earn, and who's going to stick by her?

In a few years, no deodorant for Jodi. No shampoo and conditioner. No Little Debbies. No replacement fan. Orange jacket, orange shirts, orange cap, cheap sneakers, all of which she has to pay for herself, very expensively. Technology will have passed her by within a year. No arts and craft supplies until she earns a spot up a notch or two, and even then, it's pencils and paper (the number of pieces might even be restricted, I forget). $.10 per hour, when she's never kept a job in her life. And she'll have to get along with other inmates while she's working? Manipulation's not going to go over very well with workmates.

And I don't know how the Ariases would ever be able to write and market a book, when so many jurors voted for death. It's not like they ended this in a blaze of glory. It's not as though they got up and spoke for their daughter and managed to sway some jurors with their reality. Imagine having a daughter to whom so many were willing to give the death penalty. If Jodi had gone to death row, they could have been martyrs, or at least pawns during the appeals process. If Jodi had squarely landed in a "life" verdict (instead of almost death), and had a big WIN, they maybe could have suggested some redeeming value in a book. But neither of those options applies: there's only a very lousy infamy.

Again, I'd rather the verdict had been otherwise, but my feelings aside, I believe Jodi got the worst possible outcome.
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Great post. I needed that. I feel better now.
 
turaj said:
they are not to consider that or even know about it according to most commentators..and any thing I have seen in past trials.
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What does it matter? No death penalty...
 
Much like everything else in this trial, even the conclusion is a big joke.
 
Mindmatters said:
You know what is so damn frustrating and counterintuitive about the need for a "unanimous decision" is, at the end of the day 1 single juror decided JA should get life and effectively made it happen, yet 11 jurors chose death (and tried to tell the Judge that one juror engaged in misconduct and refused to deliberate) and were, according to available information, either ignored or disregarded.

Essentially ONE JUROR decided JA's punishment!

This has to change to the majority as is practiced in Florida.
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So true
 
RickshawFan said:
Much as I find the verdict distasteful, I think it's actually the best possible outcome. On Death Row, Jodi would have had international attention. She won't get that in Max. Plus, the odds of her getting an appeal of either 2 verdicts is unlikely, because of JSS's conservatism and the input from the CofA. On top of that, who'd want to represent her as a defense attorney? It's been pretty obvious that Willmott and Nurmi were put through the mill by Jodi herself. Then there were the previous attorneys who didn't meet Jodi's muster. Obvious, too, that it's impossible to find a credible expert witness. Imagine, even if Jodi could find a willing defender how much it will cost her. Nurmi alone cost, what, a million, two? So Jodi can raise that on her own with a "lost cause" premium thrown in? And 11+8 jurors voting for the death penalty, with alternates who said they would too? Even if I were the very sleaziest of sleazy attorneys, I would run....

Jodi will be forgotten..... Time will pass, and there will be no one to fatten up her commissary account (after some years, she could have $80 per month on deposit). As it is, no one spoke in defense for her life: they're going to send her $$ in prison? (It's remarkable that none of her online associates spoke up for her, either.) No ultra-expensive Securepak care packages. No food visits. Since all these privileges take years to earn, and who's going to stick by her?

In a few years, no deodorant for Jodi. No shampoo and conditioner. No Little Debbies. No replacement fan. Orange jacket, orange shirts, orange cap, cheap sneakers, all of which she has to pay for herself, very expensively. Technology will have passed her by within a year. No arts and craft supplies until she earns a spot up a notch or two, and even then, it's pencils and paper (the number of pieces might even be restricted, I forget). $.10 per hour, when she's never kept a job in her life. And she'll have to get along with other inmates while she's working? Manipulation's not going to go over very well with workmates.

And I don't know how the Ariases would ever be able to write and market a book, when so many jurors voted for death. It's not like they ended this in a blaze of glory. It's not as though they got up and spoke for their daughter and managed to sway some jurors with their reality. Imagine having a daughter to whom so many were willing to give the death penalty. If Jodi had gone to death row, they could have been martyrs, or at least pawns during the appeals process. If Jodi had squarely landed in a "life" verdict (instead of almost death), and had a big WIN, they maybe could have suggested some redeeming value in a book. But neither of those options applies: there's only a very lousy infamy.

Again, I'd rather the verdict had been otherwise, but my feelings aside, I believe Jodi got the worst possible outcome.
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Sorry, I don't share your optimism as to how bad prison is..... I have watched enough documentaries, read enough about life in prison to see that it's not such a bad life once you become reconciled to your fate. There are always perks, there are unlimited opportunities to manipulate and beat the system, or so multiple prisoners like to brag.... Unless you are one of the incorrigible troublemakers who ends up spending more time in seclusion than the average prisoner.
 
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