NV NV - Wellington, WhtMale 574UMNV, 35-50, off Sand Canyon Road, Mar'92 - #1

[Miss Muffet]

Ok, is that the actual hair? Because it's looking light brown to me. Also, I went back and looked at the reconstruction again.

Exactly. I think someone entering that hair color into the missing person's database could have called it brown, and some could have called it blonde if they consider light brown hair as dark blonde. I agree there is a lot of orange highlights in the hair, but people might not have described it that way when entering it into the database. It's the super dark browns and the super light blondes that will never be a match for this unidentified.

 

[TxJan1971]

Detectives,

Can I go ahead and add a RULE OUT for Jack Simmons (#14 on my list/detailed summary) based on the fact that he was last seen 04-07-94 (2 years after decedent found) ??

I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a typo in NAMUS or anything re: the date last seen before I just ruled him out on my own.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/13214/22

 

[Miss Muffet]

I thought of this too. Only problem I see is that this area snows according to climate websites, says it gets an average of 26.5 inches per year which is a lot for an area that has low precipitation compared with the median precipitation averages for the US. The average snow fall is 25.0 for the US. Although a person can get sunburn on the slopes I can imagine that the remains would not have been sitting exposed directly to the sun long enough since the remains where found in March and had been there 4-14 months? I believe that was the aprox.

Which brings me to my next question, how long does it take for hair to decompose?

There are warm areas just a couple hours away even in the winter. A missing person from another region of the country could have had darker hair before relocating to the west coast area and it lightened while living there before dying. It wouldn't have darkened from the lack of sunlight after being buried because hair that is lightened by the sun stays lightened by the sun until it is cut off. That's why the bottom of my long hair is lighter than the top of my hair.

 

[TxJan1971]

Vaughn appears to be to short and has brown hair.

Do you want me to categorize Vaughan as:

A) RULE OUT (based on height and brown hair)

B) WILL NOT CONSIDER AT THIS TIME (based on height and brown hair)

C) STILL PENDING

THANKS!

 

[Miss Muffet]

Yes, please add them all, regardless of whether or not the hair appears to match. Hair color is only one aspect. I wouldn't rule out anyone based solely on hair color since it can be easily changed. For example, Dean Spencer's hair is nearly completely gray in the December 1991 photo. The way you have the note next to his name on the master list "Not moved forward at this time" is perfect. I wouldn't call it a "rule out" until something much more definitive (dentals, DNA, etc.) is compared. That way we can focus our efforts and resources on more obvious matches first. When we get all those ruled out, we can start taking a second look at some of the ones that don't appear to be as promising.

Hopefully that makes sense. The list is looking great so far! Great way to keep all these potential matches organized so nobody falls through the cracks.

That's a good point. A picture supplied by family could have dyed blonde hair when the real hair color is this shade. If they were missing for a few years before this body was discovered, there could have been plenty of time for their natural hair color to grow out into this color in the picture you posted.

 

[TxJan1971]

Good photos. Certain things stay more constant. Height, for instance, but people lose and gain weight all the time, especially due to illness (diabetes) or pharmaceuticals. Atypical anti-depressants and some anti-psychotics can make people gain a lot. Some illegal drugs, like meth, can cause them to lose a lot. To me, it would never make sense to use weight as a rule-out unless a person's disappearance is very recent.

I thought several of those photos showed Christopher with a nose that looked very similar to the UNID's nose, which is why I decided to include the link. (But then again I'm aware that the nose of the UNID may be just an estimate and may not be an accurate reflection).

http://helpmefindmyfather.webstarts.com/index.html

 

[Miss Muffet]

Detectives,

Can I go ahead and add a RULE OUT for Jack Simmons (#14 on my list/detailed summary) based on the fact that he was last seen 04-07-94 (2 years after decedent found) ??

I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a typo in NAMUS or anything re: the date last seen before I just ruled him out on my own.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/13214/22

No. The detectives said we shouldn't rule out anyone with last seen dates AFTER the body was found because sometimes they are purposely reported missing with dates after their deaths.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Do you want me to categorize Vaughan as:

A) RULE OUT (based on height and brown hair)

B) WILL NOT CONSIDER AT THIS TIME (based on height and brown hair)

C) STILL PENDING

THANKS!

I wouldn't change anyone to ruled out until the detectives LITERALLY say they are ruled out or not considering them in those exact words. I'd leave them as pending until told otherwise. I wouldn't want a change to the master list to cause someone to fall through the cracks. Then again, the detectives are probably working off of their own list instead of ours here so nobody would fall through the cracks I guess.

 

[TxJan1971]

My comments in RED BOLD:

Brenton Garmire
9/26/90 from San Fran
6'3"
brn hair
rugged outdoorsman
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/577dmca.html

Here are 5 others from California that I had kinda ruled out but wanted someone else to double check me:

David M Black - Already on Master List - #3
missing since 8/26/91
6'0"
blond hair (looks darker)
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/585dmca.html

Stanley Post - Adding today - will be #33
3/24/90
6'
brn hair

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1283dmca.html

Thomas S. Moody - Adding today - Will be #34
8/1/90
brown
5'11"
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/506dmca.html

Christopher Huffman - Already on Master List - #4
4/15/91
6'
blond (looks darker & facial hair looks redish)

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/696dmca.html

Teddy Morris - Will be adding today - #35
brown hair
missing back teeth
7/6/91
5'10"

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/401dmca.html

ETA: I went through all of male UID's in Calif on doenetwork from 1989 through the date the body was found. I posted all possible (even remotely possible) matches I could find. HTH

 

[lcsodetectives]

Can I go ahead and add a RULE OUT for Jack Simmons (#14 on my list/detailed summary) based on the fact that he was last seen 04-07-94 (2 years after decedent found) ??

I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a typo in NAMUS or anything re: the date last seen before I just ruled him out on my own.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/13214/22

Let's put Mr. Simmons in the Not Considered at this time category. Last seen dates in missing persons cases can be unreliable, especially if the reporting person had anything to do with the disappearance or if years have gone by before a missing person report is made.

 

[TxJan1971]

Here's another, I'm going back to the eighties a bit because I think there's a good chance .

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/20629/6/

Michael will be added to the master list today - #36

 

[daisytrail]

I thought several of those photos showed Christopher with a nose that looked very similar to the UNID's nose, which is why I decided to include the link. (But then again I'm aware that the nose of the UNID may be just an estimate and may not be an accurate reflection).

http://helpmefindmyfather.webstarts.com/index.html

Yes. To me, nose, height, and hair all look good. In the hair photo we have been given, it looks like the Unidentified kept his hair a bit long. (Otherwise we might see other stuff in the photo.) I see a slight wave in Christopher's hair which I believe I also see in the hair photo. It is not curly hair, but it is certainly not perfectly straight either.

 

[AngelaH]

Is this person on the list? Probably a long shot but I see similarities in looks.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/10031/0

 

[lcsodetectives]

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/9813/33

Teddy Morris is ruled out. Teddy was missing teeth which were present in John Doe.

 

[Sleuthster]

doenetwork.org/cases/699dmca.html

Clifford Raymond Peranteau
Missing since January 20, 1985 from San Francisco, San Francisco County, California.
Classification: Endangered Missing

Timing is off hair looks more reddish brown.then blond as stated on doenetwork

What about Clifford?
http://doenetwork.org/cases/699dmca.html

 

[TxJan1971]

Yes, thank you, that was quit an example.

Has anyone looked at this one?

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/10031/3/

Yes! He was added earlier this morning as #31 on the Master List. See fellow WS poster Ibiz, Post #157.

Thanks for submitting him anyway!

 

[TxJan1971]

doenetwork.org/cases/699dmca.html

Clifford Raymond Peranteau
Missing since January 20, 1985 from San Francisco, San Francisco County, California.
Classification: Endangered Missing

Timing is off hair looks more reddish brown.then blond as stated on doenetwork

What about Clifford?
http://doenetwork.org/cases/699dmca.html

From my master list, Clifford is still pending (i.e. WS review/comments/LE input, etc.). He is on the Master List as #10.

 

[wenwe4]

I do not have access to the dropbox

Is there any way to post the names of the ones (already added) to this thread?

 

[wenwe4]

Moving onto AZ:

Allen A. Hoffman
5' 10"
blond
restorations on tooth #3, #14, #30
7/2/89
(he is 25 y/o however)
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3587dmaz.html

Luther V Smith
6'0"
sandy hair (although picture shows some spots of grey)
7/4/91
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4180dmaz.html

James M Zinza
5'11"
blond
typically wore Levi's
age 30
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4017dmaz.html

this concludes AZ from 1989 to date found

Idaho has only 1 possible
missing since late 1985-early 86
Louis Negeulourart
6'1"
brown
age 61
missing from ID but car found in NV
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/856dmid.html

 

[Ibiz]

That's very dark brown hair compared to the hair on the unidentified person's composite picture, IMO.

Search results for brown, light brown, dark blonde, dark strawberry blonde, auburn could all match if there's heavy red high lights. Not every description in the missing person database is going to have an accurate hair color, and the report might fail to mention red highlights. If there's a picture showing hair to be way too dark or way too light, I feel the detectives can easily rule it out. But if there is no picture or the picture isn't too dark or light and it's difficult to tell one way or another if there is red, it really doesn't matter how it's defined in the database IMO.

That might be lighting combined with 80s cheap camera. On the website his hair is listed as LIGHT BROWN. I would not have suggested him if his hair was dark. Also we don't know when that photo was taken, and if he ever died his hair.

I know the Detective was concerned about his height, but he's only 2 inches shorter then speculated. My concern is age.

Also, I am interested in knowing how well these bone people are at predicting age and height?