GUILTY MA - Aaron Hernandez, New England Patriots player, charged with homicides #3

[Queen Bee]

another thing i disliked was her telling them it wasn't a good idea to take a straw vote...

how dare she interfere with what goes on behind those doors! :cursing:

good lord she has butted in continuously.......i wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't drag up a chair in that jury room and tell them how to do things.......

 

[SStarr33]

I'm wondering if Sultan putting in that AH was at the scene was a decision made while he was giving his closing? Maybe he wasn't getting a warm and fuzzy feeling from the jury?

 

[Chelly]

i agree chelly........it's not a straight shot due to the "garsh roadblocks" that were thrown up right and left........but i do think all the evidence is there that they need to connect the dots.....

motive is not needed.....it's always nice to have........but not required and that was a biggie........aaron wanted to silence odin about the double murders imo........that was the main motive........

i hope and pray they'll get there in the end.........if not, he's not going anywhere......and the double murder will be tried in suffolk county superior court so bye bye garsh....

and they have TONS of evidence in that case........he's going down....eventually :jail:

Agree with all your points, my friend. AH is a worthless and deserves to go down. Too bad for his devoted baby-mama and his child. I suppose the estate will be liquidated for legal expenses and nothing will be left of it. Bottom line: the bad-boys are fun and exciting but...one way or another... will leave you in the end. Now, aren't I philosophical today...LOL

 

[Chelly]

I'm wondering if Sultan putting in that AH was at the scene was a decision made while he was giving his closing? Maybe he wasn't getting a warm and fuzzy feeling from the jury?

Right, Sultan seemed to pull that one out of thin air. Leaves doubt with the jury, giving them opportunity to blame Ortiz or Wallace.

 

[Chelly]

double post....

 

[pjmale]

Brian Crandall @nbc10_brian
· 2m 2 minutes ago
Judge says she'll now bring in jurors to excuse them for the day. #AaronHernandez

 

[Chelly]

another thing i disliked was her telling them it wasn't a good idea to take a straw vote...

how dare she interfere with what goes on behind those doors! :cursing:

good lord she has butted in continuously.......i wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't drag up a chair in that jury room and tell them how to do things.......

Re straw vote...I think that's another Massachusetts thing. When I served jury duty there, we were instructed not to take one too. It was weird cuz we all went back to the jury room and just sat there and looked at each other for awhile.

 

[believe09]

Right, Sultan seemed to pull that one out of thin air. Leaves doubt with the jury, giving them opportunity to blame Ortiz or Wallace.

I thought that Sultan a.) defied the judge's statement indicating that no evidence which hasnt been discussed during the trial is permissable, and that b.) Sultan pretty effectively conceded major portions of the state's case.

He basically told the jury that the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt that AH was present at the crime scene during the murder. So much for their contamination ramble yesterday. It isnt too big a leap for the jury to determine that since the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt that AH was there, the rest of the case has a high likelihood of being true as well. I thought the prosecutor raised a very salient point when he asked the PCP expert whether or not you would turn your back on a violent person on PCP.

The thing is, Aaron wasnt scared when he came back into the house.

 

[believe09]

Re straw vote...I think that's another Massachusetts thing. When I served jury duty there, we were instructed not to take one too. It was weird cuz we all went back to the jury room and just sat there and looked at each other for awhile.

Awkward.

 

[Queen Bee]

I'm wondering if Sultan putting in that AH was at the scene was a decision made while he was giving his closing? Maybe he wasn't getting a warm and fuzzy feeling from the jury?

oh i think it was a big no-no....just puts him a step closer to joint venture......now let's explain why he was so cozy with those wild crazy killers........big mistake sultan :no:

 

[SStarr33]

Bob McGovern ‏@BobMcGovernJr 9m9 minutes ago

Judge Garsh is here. She is mulling one of the instructions she gave regarding unlawful possession of a firearm. #AaronHernandez

 

[geevee]

i found the state closing very strong despite the rude interruptions of Garsh. I was dumbfounded when she picked the jury foreperson. Since when does that happen? Don't they usually pick their own? Honestly they have gotten to know each other and leaders stand out after some time. Garsh knows nothing other than the bio and some questions in voir dire. I find her so repulsive and operates her court like a general. I am very nervous that her influence and presence have stacked the case in favor of AH and he will only get gun conviction. I sure hope I am wrong.

BBM

Well, they never overturn a not guilty verdict so maybe that's been her goal. :facepalm:

I read the MassLive live blogs during trials where 3 men were accused of killing 3 other men (does the guy with horns implanted in his forehead ring a bell?), the judge selected the foreperson in those trials and they were also being tried under the joint venture law and all three were convicted, even though the last (horn man, Veiovis) had very little evidence against him and even those in the legal community who commented on the blog couldn't foresee a conviction, he still was. Wouldn't mind knowing AH was in prison with one or more of those guys.

 

[Queen Bee]

Awkward.

welcome back believe :seeya:

hope you saw my :tyou: earlier in the thread.........appreciated you posting tweets earlier........

i was gone first thing this morning........speaking of such......going to go look for croakerqueen's video of sultan........see you all in the morning :seeya:

 

[SStarr33]

Does anyone know of a way to get notified of a verdict without staying attached to twitter?

 

[Softail]

Thanks for the updates everyone. :seeya: Gonna try to catch up. Mr. St had surgery today, so been pretty busy. I caught a few tidbits about the closings, and the judge.

If I don't catch up tonight, hopefully before the verdict.

Are we officially on verdict watch? :waitasec:

 

[Queen Bee]

Thanks for the updates everyone. :seeya: Gonna try to catch up. Mr. St had surgery today, so been pretty busy. I caught a few tidbits about the closings, and the judge.

If I don't catch up tonight, hopefully before the verdict.

Are we officially on verdict watch? :waitasec:

hope all is well with the mister :seeya: give him our best

yes, we are on verdict watch........they were sent out at 3:04 today and dismissed around 4:25.........will deliberate tomorrow 9-4......(but they didn't have evidence sent back yet, so probably just settling in, etc. )

take care of the hubby and yourself too :seeya:

:getwell: (that's for hubby) :cupcake: (that's for you )

 

[Queen Bee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXBg36rWhfk&feature=youtu.be defense closing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tnnKukeOC0&feature=youtu.be prosecution closing

thanks croakerqueen :tyou:

 

[katydid23]

oh i think it was a big no-no....just puts him a step closer to joint venture......now let's explain why he was so cozy with those wild crazy killers........big mistake sultan :no:

I am trying to understand why Sultan did that. I'm trying to imagine a scenario where AH was there at the killing and yet was NOT GUILTY of any involvement. The only way would be the 'wild PCP rogue Killer' scenario. But that obviously did not happen because we see the videos of them all returning home TOGETHER, friendly and in good spirits. AH hands Ortiz the baby and later they stand around and talk at the pool together. Buddy/Buddy like. And when they arrive home we see AH entering the home with the gun and with 'crazed killers' walking behind him. Would he do that if he was afraid of them?

Give me a scenario where the jury can say that AH was there during the murder, came right back home and hung out with these 2 killers, and AH was not involved.

AH is so arrogant and cocky it is almost shocking. He has no worries about being found Guilty, imo. I hope the jury is not enamored by his BS celebrity status.

 

[aa9511]

I am trying to understand why Sultan did that. I'm trying to imagine a scenario where AH was there at the killing and yet was NOT GUILTY of any involvement. The only way would be the 'wild PCP rogue Killer' scenario. But that obviously did not happen because we see the videos of them all returning home TOGETHER, friendly and in good spirits. AH hands Ortiz the baby and later they stand around and talk at the pool together. Buddy/Buddy like. And when they arrive home we see AH entering the home with the gun and with 'crazed killers' walking behind him. Would he do that if he was afraid of them?

Give me a scenario where the jury can say that AH was there during the murder, came right back home and hung out with these 2 killers, and AH was not involved.

AH is so arrogant and cocky it is almost shocking. He has no worries about being found Guilty, imo. I hope the jury is not enamored by his BS celebrity status.

Yes, there's almost no scenario that would work for AH, because of the videos. Maybe that's why defense took only 1 day. If there were no videos, AH would have made up all sorts of stuff for the jury. But he got cornered with those videos, thank God. Let's see what happens, though, we never know what the jury will give.

 

[Softail]

hope all is well with the mister :seeya: give him our best

yes, we are on verdict watch........they were sent out at 3:04 today and dismissed around 4:25.........will deliberate tomorrow 9-4......(but they didn't have evidence sent back yet, so probably just settling in, etc. )

take care of the hubby and yourself too :seeya:

:getwell: (that's for hubby) :cupcake: (that's for you )

:tyou: :bow: I appreciate this! Hubby is doing great! I'm tired.... he set the alarm this morning for 2:00 AM! He had to be there by 6 but couldn't sleep and was anxious. So, I'm beat and not sure I'll catch up tonight! Thanks for the well wishes!