NV NV - Wellington, WhtMale 574UMNV, 35-50, off Sand Canyon Road, Mar'92 - #1

[wenwe4]

Submissions:

130) Crane, Eddy R 6’ brown/grey 51ish no dental/dna
not in namus
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4794dmmd.html

concludes Maryland, Delaware, DC on doenetwork

131) Teets, Charles 5’11 – 6’2” brown 42ish dental/dna avail
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/11003/0/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2047dmnj.html

132) Rodziewicz, Joseph T 6’ – 6’2 brown 35ish missing top 2 front teeth dental/dna avail
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/10132/0/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4420dmma.html

133) Wallace, Donald B 6’ brown age 37 dental/dna avail
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/354/2/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/471dmma.html

concludes New Jersey, Mass, Conn, RI, New Hamp,

134) Bovit, Russell 5’11 – 6’1 brown age 36ish dental charted (no dna)
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/2031/0/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/375dmvt.html

concludes Vermont & Maine doenetwork

 

[wenwe4]

Alpha NV UID¬¬
(p = post number on this thread that has the link to more information)

A
Alley, John W 5’11 brown age 29 (p253) #71
Allgood, Kim L (*aka Galloway, Randy) 5’10 – 6’2” straw blonde (p254) #72
Ashby, Michael E 6’1 Red age 23 (rpt missing after date) (p222) #61
Ashley, Richard = R/O Dental (p117) #11
B
Baker, Jeffrey J 6’ brown (p213) #49
Beich, Bobby 5’11 brown (p51,103,147) #8 pending
Belliveau, Edmond J Jr 6’0 brown age 33 (p227) #65 (Canada)
Birchfield, Daniel A 5’ 6’2 Straw blonde (p137) #24
Bishop, Williams B Jr 6’1 brown age 55ish (p783) #107 dental/dna avail R/O Dental (p788)
Black, David M 6’0 blonde (p158) #3 pending R/O
Black, Michael E 5’11 – 6’1 blonde 35ish #127 (p837)no dental/dna
Blake, Stephen T 6’3 – 6’5” straw blonde age 30 (p746) #102 no dental or dna (WS thread)
Bogart, Arden Jr 6’ brown age 24 dentals avail (p218) #57
Bonner, Mark 6’3 straw blonde age 24 (p544) #90
Bovit, Russell 5’11 – 6’1 brown age 36ish #134 (p901) dental charted (no dna)
Bowman, William D 6’2 brown age 33 (p153) #28
Bratton, David 6’0 red age 27 (p300) #77
Breaux, Adam J 5'11 brown (dark?) age 50 (p534) #89 dentals/dna avail – R/O (p751)
Brennan, William 5’11 brown age 39 (p245) #69
Burrows, James P 5’11 brown age 25 (p834) #119 dental avail (no dna)
Butler, Charles M 6’0 black hair? Age 46 (p242) #68

C
Cain, Frederick 6’0 Red/Auburn age 41 (p71,216) #12
Carlstrom, Brian E 6’0 Straw age 26 (p609) #93 dental/dna avail
Cassada, William B 5”11 – 6’3 red age 37 (p600) #91
Clarke, Michael T 6’0 – 7’ age 40-50 (p159) #36
Chouinard, Michael 60 blonde age 28 (p217) #54
Crane, Eddy R 6’ brown/grey 51ish #130 (p901) no dental/dna
Criner, Joseph A 6’7” age 57 *missing after date (p834) #124 no dental/dna avail
D
Daughenbaugh, Lowell V 6’ brown/red 42ish #126 (p837) no dental/dna
Davies, Charles R III 5’11 age 24 brown missing L eye tooth (p154) #30
Davis, Charles Edward 6' - 6'2", straw blonde age mid 50’s (p724) #95 dental avail
Davis, Randy R 6’1 – 6’2” Straw age 27 (p775) #105 (no dental) dna avail
Dearmon, Howard 6’1 brown/bald age 52 (p208) #46
Denninger, Donald 6’, black (p446) #84
Dimick, James T 6’1 age 30 (p137) #26
Douglas, Barry K 6’0 Red age 31 (p71) #17
E
Eddy, Michael Rolf 6’0 brown (looks lighter) age 46 (p366) #79
Eder, Carl A 6’1 – 6’3 straw age 51ish (p787) #108 no dental/dna
Ervin, Kyle III 6’1 brown age 26 dentals/dna avail (p222) #64
F
Farmer, Greg(g) P 6’2 red/auburn age 30 (p782) #106 dental/dna R/O Dental (p786)
Fernandez, Raymond J 6’0 – 6’1 Sandy age 47 (p357) #78
Fiala, Joseph 6’2 Straw Blonde (p137) #25
Flowers, John W 6’1 brown age 44 (p231) #67
Franks, Ricky 5’10 straw age 31ish (p809) #111 (no dental) dna avail
Franks, Theodore M 6’0 brn? Age 25ish (p809) #110unk dental/dna
G
Gale, Edward E (aka Long, Joe*) 6’2 brown age 36 (p604) #92 dental avail
Garrison, Theodore W 6’0 brown (p534) #85
Galloway, Randy (aka *Allgood,Kim) 5’10 – 6’2” straw blonde (p254) #72
Garmire, Brenton 6’3 brown (p158) rugged outdoorsman #32
Geppert, John H III 5’10 – 6’ light brown age 33 (fx collar bone) (p377) #80
Goddard, Jason M 6’2 blonde(red?) age 20 (p213) #51
Gove, Michael B 5’9 brown age 41 (p217) R/O Dental/height (p221) #53
Guarro, Richard W 6’1 – 6’2 brown age 39 (p790) (miss’96) #109 no dental/dna
Guy, Timothy J 6’1 – 6’2 brown age 22ish (p834) #122 no dental/dna
H
Haffner, Steven A 5’11 brown age 34ish (p832) #116 unk dental/dna
Hagel, Roy J 6’ brown age 38 (p222) #58
Haines, Joey Johnathan 6’1 straw blonde age 26 (p259,266) #74 WS thread
Heines, Clinton 6’3 blonde age 32 (p222) #62
Hickman, Wayne W 6’1 brown age mid 30’s (p403) #83
Hitchcock, Richard E D red/bushy age 21 (p748) #99 dental & dna avail – R/O Dental (p767)
Hoffman, Allen A 5’10 blonde age 25 (teeth #3,14,30) (p202) #37
Holmen, Curtis A 6’5 blonde/red age 31 (p218) hair looks close #55
Huffman, Christopher = R/O dental (p277) #4
I
J
Johnston, Sidney E 6’0 brown age 47 (p534) #86
Jones, Curtis W 6’0 – 6’1 red age 47 (p129) #19 *DNA requested
Jones, Jerry V 5’10 brown age 29ish #125 (p837) (from S.C. to Cali) dental avail (no dna)
K
Kays, Harvey A 5’11 brown age 51ish (p832) #115 dental/dna avail
Kellar, Robert R 6’0 brown (close in color) age 20 (p383) #82
Kiser, Rodney L 5’10 auburn/brown 34ish #129 (p843) no dental/dna
Kreyche, J = R/O dna (p29) #1
Kuhlman, Robert Lewis 6’4 red age 34 (p691) #94 dentals avail
L
Lackey, Jerry W 6’2 dark blonde age 42ish (p834) #121 no dental/dna
Lango, John F 6’1 red 23ish #135 (no dental) dna avail
Lasker, Dennis J 5’10 brown 40ish straight teeth no dna (p843) #128
Leach, Randy W 6’ brown age 22ish dentals/dna avail levi’s (p222) #59
Lee, Randall D 6’ light brown age 36 (p745) #101 dental & dna avail R/O (p761)
Livingston, Allen L 6’2 brown age 27is (rept missing after date) (p748) #98 no dental or dna
Long, Joe (aka Gale, Edward E*) 6’2 brown age 36 (p604) #92 dental avail
Longman, Randy W 5’11 brown age 27 (p222) #60
Lopez, Gordon B 6’2 – 6’5” Dark Brn to Red age 21 (p71) #15
Lovely, David V 6’4 brown(red?) mid 20’s (p208) #42
Lutas, George 6’ brown age 26 (p256) #73
M
Manns, Mitchell 6’1 brown age 40ish (p832) #117 (no dental) dna avail
Matthews, Paul A 5’11” Red age 26 (p71) #16
McFarlin, Thomas L 5’10 – 6’3 red/brown age 34 (p157,193) #31
McFry, Jeffrey S 5’11 brown age 23 (p834) #120 no dental/dna
Meer, Douglas = R/O dna (p29) #2
Meyer, Richard S 5’10 dark brown age 39 (p218) #56
Michaud, Thomas A 6’1 brown/bald approx mid 30’s (p380) #81
Mize, David W 5'10 brn age 28 #88 (p534) dentals/dna avail
Moody, Thomas 5’11 brown (p158) #34
Moreau, Timothy D tall red hair age 21 (p208) #43
Morris, Teddy 5’10 brown missing teeth (p158) #35 R/O Dental (p194)
Morrissey, Liam 5’10 brown age 26 (p809) #114 dental/dna avail
Mosley, Rodger K 5’11” red age age 33 (p832) #118 no dental/dna
N
Negeulourart, Louis 6’1 brown age 54 (p202) #39
Newcombe, Ralph A 5’11 brown age 35 (p213) #48
O
O’Brian, Barry B 6’2 brown age 34 (p257) #74
O’Carroll, Jeffrey L 5’10 – 6’ age 36 (p208) #41
O’Kane, Timothy R 6’2 – 6’4” brown age 28-34, (P118,233) #9
P
Page, Gordon T 6’0 – 6’3” brown (p111) #18 R/O Dental (p121)
Patterson, Kenneth B 5’9 – 6’2 age 28 (p137) #22
Pearsall, Steven R (aka Sahlim) 6’3 brown 45 (p766) #103 dental/dna avail R/O Dental (p768)
Peranteau, Clifford R 6’1 blonde age 23 (p60,157,197) #10
Post, Stanley 6’0 brown (p158) #33
Proctor, James L 6’ brown age 47 (p208) #44
Pruett, Stanley C 5’11 brown age34ish (p809) #113 no dental, dna avail
Q
R
Ranken, Brian = R/O Dental (p36) #5
Robinson, Luke 6’0 – 6’2 brown age 24 (p154) missing 2 teeth #29
Rodziewicz, Joseph T 6’ – 6’2 brown 35ish #132 (p901) missing top 2 front teeth dental/dna avail
Rouse, Terry 6’2 brown age 24 (p834) #123(no dental) dna avail
S
Simmons, Jack Red/Auburn age 24 p71 Not Considered (p190) #14
Simons, John J 6’1 brown age 35 #138 (p910) dental charted (no dna)
Sloat, Rodney L 6’1 brown age 31 (p227) #66 (Canada)
Smith, Luther V 6’0 sandy (p202) #38
Smith, Michael (p135) #20 R/O Dental (p142)
Sparrow, Timothy 6’3 Red/Auburn age 40 (p71) #13
Spencer Dean T (p38) – Temp R/O (not at this time) #7
Spring, Randy C 5’11-6’ Straw age 28 (p773) #104 dental avail
Stansberry, Clyde E 5’11 brown red/auburn age 44 (p246) #70
Stonecipher, William C 5’10 blonde age 32 (p222) #63
Storkson, Billy 5’9 age 36 (p216) #52
Strassburger, Dale W 5’8 – 6’2” Straw Blonde age 35 (p137) #27
Stricklin, Michael K 6'1 brown age 30 (p534) #87 no dental dna?
T
Taylor, Patrick K 5’6 – 6’1” brown-blonde age 32ish (748) #97
Teets, Charles 5’11 – 6’2” brown 42ish #131 (p901) dental/dna avail
Tuomi, Steven W unk height blonde (looks very red) age 29ish (p748) #96
Turpin, Daniel R 6’ brown age 26 (p213) #50
U
V
Vaughan, Wallace L 5’10 brown age 27 (p144,145,146) #21 R/O Height (p150)
Vonderheide, Ronald A 5’10 light brown age 27ish unique dentals/bone (p809) #112
Vucurevich, Milan Jr 6’5” brown/grey age 44 (p267) #76
W
Wagner, John W 5’10 brown (p204,209) Possible R/0 (p219) #47
Wakefield, Bradley J 6’1 brown (p208) #45
Wallace, Donald B 6’ brown age 37 #133 (p901) dental/dna avail
Ware, Kenneth T 6’ straw blonde age 22 (p137) #23
Wikel, Wayne F 6’ brown age 48 (p744) #100 (no dental) dna initially submit
Willow, Bruce M 6’1 brown age 30 #136 (p910) dental charted dna not submit
X
Y
Z
Zinza, James 6’1 sandy (p38) #6

 

[wenwe4]

Submissions:

135) Lango, John F 6’1 red 23ish (no dental) dna avail
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/7220/0/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/12dmpa.html

concludes Pennsylvania doenetwork

 

[Skully]

I got an email back from a man who runs a bird sanctuary and he thinks it is a hawk but not a red tailed. So we have 2 votes for the Hawk now. Still waiting on FL Game and Wild Life to email back. I also email a bird illustrator in the hope he will maybe recognize the artwork. He is a famous artist and old enough to have been around for the 80's, so I reach out where I can folks. LOL

 

[Miss Muffet]

In other words, it's not an accurate depiction of any bird? (The tail is not reddish-hued like the red-tailed hawk).

There's no reddish hue because the shirt was originally a simple design of a bird drawn with black lines on a white t-shirt. Any color you're seeing now, aside from the orange sun, is simply dirt.

Though the tail feathers have looked somewhat similar to an owl's, the soaring wings have never appeared to be like those of a flying owl, to me. The drawings I've seen have always been wings with a deeper arc or curve, possibly because the owl is a 'chunkier' bird.

Exactly. The wings are not an owls.

I'm wishing for something more definitive, but I'm thinking now we probably won't get that.

We can't get something definitive because it's not a photograph and its not a drawing made for a bird textbook. Since it's a work of art, it's not going to be an entirely accurate depiction. But Red Tailed Hawk is the top contender.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I was stuck on Red Tail in my earlier posts, but I still think it is top side not under and the Red Tail is too dark on top to match our wings. Remembering though, It is a black and white sketch and the staining is a huge fly in the ointment.

:cow:

The people at the National Aviary say we're looking at the underside. The tail feathers wouldn't cover up the wings if it was a view from the top side.

btw, that photoshop you did of the owl is great!

 

[Tulessa]

Hen harrier Circus cyaneus, is what I got From Audubon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hen_harrier

 

[carbuff]

My birder friend says owl (she thought barred owl might be a possibility too), and I'm finding more owl-and-moon possibilities than hawk-and-sun.

 

[Tulessa]

...any help in regard to this t-shirt would be greatly appreciated.

Hen harrier is what I got from Audubon. It looks close.

 

[wenwe4]

136) Willow, Bruce M 6’1 brown 30 #136 dental charted (dna not submit)
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/8310/0/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1814dmny.html

137) Simons, John J 6’1 brown age 35 dental charted (no dna)
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/747/1/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1049dmny.html

concludes NY doenetwork

 

[Tulessa]

There's no reddish hue because the shirt was originally a simple design of a bird drawn with black lines on a white t-shirt. Any color you're seeing now, aside from the orange sun, is simply dirt.


Exactly. The wings are not an owls.


We can't get something definitive because it's not a photograph and its not a drawing made for a bird textbook. Since it's a work of art, it's not going to be an entirely accurate depiction. But Red Tailed Hawk is the top contender.

That's not a Red Tailed MM. See them everyday where I live. We have a pair that nest within view.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I got an email back from a man who runs a bird sanctuary and he thinks it is a hawk but not a red tailed. So we have 2 votes for the Hawk now. Still waiting on FL Game and Wild Life to email back. I also email a bird illustrator in the hope he will maybe recognize the artwork. He is a famous artist and old enough to have been around for the 80's, so I reach out where I can folks. LOL

My people said it's definitely a hawk of the buteo genus if it's a hawk and not an owl. There are a handful of hawks in the buteo genus that qualify. I'm looking forward to your FL Game and Wild Life people to respond.

We need to keep in mind the people at the National Aviary said that certain species of birds are slightly different regionally. It would be idea if we could get bird experts from the West to respond. I really wish the Yosemite Arborists Society had responded. But the National Aviary are experts from all over the country, and they have the largest collection of birds in the country.

One of the artists I've identified is dead, but his son is an artist and I'm hanging hopes on his knowing his father's work and having access to it since his father established a gallery.

 

[Tulessa]

The description below also fits with it being a desert or prairie bird.

This medium-sized raptor breeds on moorland, bogs, prairies, farmland coastal prairies, marshes, grasslands, swamps and other assorted open areas.[5] The nest is built on the ground or on a mound of dirt or vegetation. Nests are made of sticks and are lined inside with grass and leaves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hen_harrier

 

[Miss Muffet]

Hen harrier Circus cyaneus, is what I got From Audubon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hen_harrier

That's from the wrong genus according to the people I met with today. I wonder if it really matters what TYPE of hawk since it's really just an artists' creative liberty. Hmmm....

 

[Steleheart]

Back from the National Aviary!

They thought our project was interesting. I had four bird experts consulting, and the bird of prey expert was there.

We're definitely looking at the bird from the underside with its wings outstretched.

With certainty, it's not an eagle or a falcon.

It's either a Red Tail Hawk or a Great Horned Owl.

Most likely a Red Tail Hawk of Buteo Genus, but we shouldn't disregard Great Horned Owl entirely.

Here's why:

The pattern on the tail feathers is like a Great Horned Owl because it's a disorganized bark-like pattern.

Red Tail Hawk tail feather patterns are very clear defined lines and symmetrical.

They think it's an artist's inaccurate depiction of a Red Tail Hawk because you almost never see an owl flying and/or soaring upward with outstretched wings. (It's not that they don't/can't do it, it's just incredibly rare for someone to see them doing it.) Owls are most often seen sitting or diving with their wings forward, backwards or bent and their feet outward to prepare to grab prey. The only time you'd typically see an owl with its wings in this position is if it's taking off.

They say it's incredibly common to see a Red Tail Hawk in this position. It makes sense with a sun, not so much with a moon.

IMO, the reason we shouldn't disregard Great Horned Owl is because of how rare he says it would be to see it in this position. If we find artwork of an Owl with outstretched wings, it should be pretty darn easy to determine the origin because of its rarity.

But our focus shouldn't be only on the Great Horned Owl since it's highly unlikely.

Hope that makes sense!
.

Respectfully Bolded By Me with thanks for your great effort.

My first bold ~ I am gradually coming over to that side. see my Owl/moon picture.
~ disorganized bark-like pattern (like - ahem, birch bark???) (lol)
~ I absolutely agree! I have felt that it is stylized, both the bird and the disc and that could be a clue to style.
~ I currently have some inaccurate depictions of red tail T's open in Google. http://www.wildlifeofamerica.com/shop/productdetails.aspx?ProductID=66
~ When I was thinking red tail yesterday I was thinking setting sun. Sunrise might make more sense. Also most of the moon pictures are on a black background.

So based on your awesome work I am going to focus on a hawk from underside, not silhouette, a rising sun, stylized and small ( It's about as big as a hand according to the pictures.)

This is great stuff. Thank you.

:cow:

 

[Miss Muffet]

That's not a Red Tailed MM. See them everyday where I live. We have a pair that nest within view.

Sorry, I've gotta give the opinion of the experts at the National Aviary more weight. I spent over an hour with them in person today.

 

[Steleheart]

That's from the wrong genus according to the people I met with today. I wonder if it really matters what TYPE of hawk since it's really just an artists' creative liberty. Hmmm....

I was looking at Harriers Saturday but the tail is far too long IMO

 

[Tulessa]

That's from the wrong genus according to the people I met with today. I wonder if it really matters what TYPE of hawk since it's really just an artists' creative liberty. Hmmm....

It could be a mythological bird. That's what makes this so difficult.

 

[Tulessa]

I was looking at Harriers Saturday but the tail is far too long IMO

Not if it's an artists perception of the bird. That's what we are not going to be able to get past.

 

[Miss Muffet]

It could be a mythological bird. That's what makes this so difficult.

True. And that also is a reason it might not matter what type of hawk.